Is Nonito Donaire really the 6th best boxer in the world??

[ElTerribleMorales]

No, and Paul Williams shouldn't be in the top ten either.

How is Williams not p4p 10?

He's a two weight, three time world champ and has wins over two former p4p top 10 guys in Margarito and Winky (actually Winky was top 5 not too long ago).

How many fighters have done more than him? Dawson should be top 10 too.

Yep, Winky sure was at the top of the boxing World when he fought Williams...

And Margarito, that fight happened two and half years ago... why shouldn't that be include in a current p4p ranking, it's a perfect barometer for how a fighter's doing CURRENTLY.

And Freddie Roach is right too--Amir Khan is the 10 best fighter in the World.

No sense in arguing any of that.

in Williams' defense he was set to fight Pavlik, but Kelly pussied out, and well now he's fighting Martinez which is still a top opponent and a tough fight, it's a bigger risk than anything Donaire has taken

[hfahrenheit]

How is Williams not p4p 10?

He's a two weight, three time world champ and has wins over two former p4p top 10 guys in Margarito and Winky (actually Winky was top 5 not too long ago).

How many fighters have done more than him? Dawson should be top 10 too.

Yep, Winky sure was at the top of the boxing World when he fought Williams...

And Margarito, that fight happened two and half years ago... why shouldn't that be include in a current p4p ranking, it's a perfect barometer for how a fighter's doing CURRENTLY.

And Freddie Roach is right too--Amir Khan is the 10th best fighter in the World.

No sense in arguing any of that.

in Williams' defense he was set to fight Pavlik, but Kelly pussied out, and well now he's fighting Martinez which is still a top opponent and a tough fight, it's a bigger risk than anything Donaire has taken

Just for clarity, I happen to think Williams is a good boxer.

BUT, just because people are ducking you, doesn't mean you deserve a p4p ranking. You still have to go win those fights--despite any circumstance, you cannot be awarded status biased on hyperbole or conjecture.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Yep, Winky sure was at the top of the boxing World when he fought Williams...

And Margarito, that fight happened two and half years ago... why shouldn't that be include in a current p4p ranking, it's a perfect barometer for how a fighter's doing CURRENTLY.

And Freddie Roach is right too--Amir Khan is the 10th best fighter in the World.

No sense in arguing any of that.

in Williams' defense he was set to fight Pavlik, but Kelly pussied out, and well now he's fighting Martinez which is still a top opponent and a tough fight, it's a bigger risk than anything Donaire has taken

Just for clarity, I happen to think Williams is a good boxer.

BUT, just because people are ducking you, doesn't mean you deserve a p4p ranking. You still have to go win those fights--despite any circumstance, you cannot be awarded status biased on hyperbole or conjecture.

oh i agree, i'm just saying that Williams is at least making more of an effort than Donaire to go and get the big names, or at least the dangerous fights that make you p4p one of the best in the world, Williams going after Pavlik and now Martinez proves that he's at least making the effort, but i agree that he could easily be replaced on a current p4p list, but you can at least make a case for him being on the list, something you can't really do for Donaire