Golden Boy given green light to start negotiations

[DC Amateur Boxing]

I am a big fan of PBF, his boxing that is. I don't like his personality so much, but that has nothing to do with his boxing IMO. It's just funny to me how he is expected to not negotiate fights or wait until he gets what he is asking for. People expect him to bow to some sense of machismo and say "I don't want people to talk about me and say that I was scared to fight Pac, so I'll do whatever it takes [read: take less money that I know I deserve] to make the fight happen." Why is that pressure on on Pac who know is being mentioned as an all time great? Why don't people say "Pac, just give Mayweather what he wants so you can prove that you're the best."

I'm sure that if I was a promoter, I would constantly put out stories about Mayweather being scared and not wanting to fight so that he would be compelled to take the fight and less money. That's the business side-PR, posturing and politics. Floyd is not the one that turned this boxing business into a boxing business, but I respect that he knows that it is a business and won't work for less pay than he knows he should get.

To say that Floyd ducks fights is ridiculous to me. What is true is that he hasn't been made offers that are good enough to take certain fights. If he was offered what he wants and then turned them down, I would say he was ducking fights. Here's what I would call ducking:

1) If Floyd is asked "What will it take to make a fight happen?"
2) Floyd asks for a specific deal as far as $$ and % go
3) He is offered what he wants exactly
4) He still doesn't take the fight

I can't say that he's ducking anyone if they won't pay him what he wants to make a fight.

[OumaFan]

DC, that completely takes out of the equation the concept of pricing yourself out, if Floyd insists on something like 60/40 and won't take any less he's pricing himself out since he knows they won't take that.

Not that I think he'll do that. There will be a ton of jibber jabber, at various times in the process fans of each fighter will accuse the other guy of ducking, melodramatics and histrionics will ensue, and then the fight will be made because its simply too much money to leave on the table. Its the way things go (see OMGZ Pacquiao is pricing himself out of the Hatton fight, see OMGZ Pacquaio insists on 142 for Cotto fight, etc., etc.), I guarantee you there will be a point in the negotiations where this forum goes nuts about one fighter supposedly ducking and then the fight will eventually go through, its almost as easy a prediction as the outcome of Jones/Calzaghe was.

[markb018]

As most have said this fight has to be 50/50 or like I heard on this talk show tonight 45/45 10% going to the winner. There is no reason for this fight not to happen. Floyd says he is doing it for the money. There is no bigger fight to be made and he will not make anything close to what he makes vs. Pac. Manny's team has already been vocal especially Roach that we want Floyd. The public wants it. It will be a record breaker.

No more excuses, Pac has earned his keep to have a fair share. Pac has cemented his legacy as far as I am concerned. Floyd on the other hand has not, at least in 147. Pac has had one legit fight at 147 and I believe it has trumped what Floyd has done in the division. Pac doesn't need this fight, that being said if they were to fight well Wow!

[Chino]

People make it seem as if Pac wants the fight badly. Larry Merchan asked him TWICE yesterday if he wanted to fight Floyd and he stuttered "Aaaah, well...uuuumh...I have to talk with my promoters about it" and the second time "aaah, eeeerrr...well....uuuuumh...oh, I will take a vacation and have fun" .

[CFH]

People make it seem as if Pac wants the fight badly. Larry Merchan asked him TWICE yesterday if he wanted to fight Floyd and he stuttered "Aaaah, well...uuuumh...I have to talk with my promoters about it" and the second time "aaah, eeeerrr...well....uuuuumh...oh, I will take a vacation and have fun" .

Pacquiao doesn't exactly make a habit of calling out fighters though and you know if Roach is clamoring for the fight he's not doing so without Pacquiao's approval.

[Chino]

People make it seem as if Pac wants the fight badly. Larry Merchan asked him TWICE yesterday if he wanted to fight Floyd and he stuttered "Aaaah, well...uuuumh...I have to talk with my promoters about it" and the second time "aaah, eeeerrr...well....uuuuumh...oh, I will take a vacation and have fun" .

Pacquiao doesn't exactly make a habit of calling out fighters though and you know if Roach is clamoring for the fight he's not doing so without Pacquiao's approval.

Yeah, you're right. And that is something I like about Pac. For this fight, both, Cotto and Pac, didn't have to trash talk, the fight itself was enough to make the numbers.

[piye]

The thing that annoys me about internet boxing fans is the way they ignore the reality. Floyd being a bigger PPV draw entitles him to more money, no matter the reason he is a bigger PPV draw (Prob cause he is american) just because you like pacman more and think his in ring achievements are better does not mean that he should get an equal amount of the monety.

It's silly that this fight will probably not happen because Floyd is to proud to accept anything less than he is entitled to.

The smaller PPV draw HAS TO recieve the smaller percentage of the purse.

PAcman is now P4P number 1 without doubt! but he is not PPV number 1 Floyd and Arguably Ricky still outsell him with PPV numbers! so unless they start charging for PPV in the philipines PPV wise PAcman does not bring much to the table!

I mean I am pretty sure in AMERICA even Cotto is a bigger PPV draw and considering that America may well be the only country the fight is PPV in, how can Pac demand more just because he is a fan favourite? what about the majority who watch the fights who happen to be casuals tuning in to see Mayweather and hi big mouth get shut?

If you really want to see this fight we must now be reasonable and realistic.

[DC Amateur Boxing]

DC, that completely takes out of the equation the concept of pricing yourself out, if Floyd insists on something like 60/40 and won't take any less he's pricing himself out since he knows they won't take that.

That's just talk. He's talking crazy so that whoever is going to promote knows that when they get the money together, he better bring it. IMO, give the promoter more leverage to negotiate his deals which EVERYONE is going to want a piece of. There will be so many damn logos on the apron you won't be able to tell what color it is.

Not that I think he'll do that. There will be a ton of jibber jabber, at various times in the process fans of each fighter will accuse the other guy of ducking, melodramatics and histrionics will ensue, and then the fight will be made because its simply too much money to leave on the table. Its the way things go (see OMGZ Pacquiao is pricing himself out of the Hatton fight, see OMGZ Pacquaio insists on 142 for Cotto fight, etc., etc.), I guarantee you there will be a point in the negotiations where this forum goes nuts about one fighter supposedly ducking and then the fight will eventually go through, its almost as easy a prediction as the outcome of Jones/Calzaghe was. [QUOTE=OumaFan;811352] I think we can all agree that this fight is going to happen. The buildup has been ridiculous, but I think it won't be Floyd's next fight unfortunately. I think he will look for one more first, but I really hope that he doesn't. I do want him to be ready. I do think that he's been in the gym all this time, but I don't want any excuses. If he needs one more fight, then so be it.