p4p top 10 after saturday night

[Kev]

Personally I feel heavyweights should be included in the p4p as then the merits of all fighters and their acomplishments are respected. As much as I hate him David Haye would then squeak in as a unified cruiserweight champ and a legit heavyweight title belt holder. Wlad's reign has been a long and dominating one in recent years and the two of them have done more in an absolute sense than guys like Donaire and Artur Abraham imo. Wlad has dominated his division, Haye has won titles in two divisions and is only the second cruiser in history to become world heavyweight champ I believe.

They deserve slots ahead of Nonito ('Ive fought one world rated guy in my whole career) Donaire, and Abraham who is yet to face a legit, prime opponent.

1. Pacquaio
2. Mayweather
3. Mosely
4. Hopkins (drops below Mosely due to inactivity)
5. Marquez
6. Dawson
7. Williams
8. Wlad
9. Cabellero
10. Haye

[OumaFan]

1)Manny
2)Floyd
3)JMM
4)Bernard
5)Shane
6)Chad Dawson
7)Calderon
P. Williams
9)A. Abraham
10)Hasegawa

[Kev]

1)Manny
2)Floyd
3)JMM
4)Bernard
5)Shane
6)Chad Dawson
7)Calderon
P. Williams
9)A. Abraham
10)Hasegawa

Calderon doesn't deserve to be top 10 any more, he's looked very beatable in his last two fights with Mayol.

Calderon has gone from straweight to light fly weight and has met his limit.

Manny has gone from straweight to welterweight and destroys the boys up there. The difference is stark.

Caldron, meh, good defence, but not really that good. No firepower at all.

[OumaFan]

LOL, you're just messing with me now or you have Alzheimers, one of the two.

I can't believe you with your utter hatred of small guys pick one to put on your list but its the wrong fucking one.

[Kev]

LOL, you're just messing with me now or you have Alzheimers, one of the two.

I can't believe you with your utter hatred of small guys pick one to put on your list but its the wrong fucking one.

I don't hate them at all I just assess them more realistically.

I think people treat little guys the way they treat animals. I.e a show a Cappacin Monkey breaking a nut and people will go 'Aww look at how clever they are!'.

Well its relative, yes they can use stones to crack nuts but but that's not exactly going to send a monkey to the moon is it?

It's the same with little guys, one of them shows some defence and he's a little Mayweather, knock a guy out and he's a mini Tyson.

The standards of comparison are just ridicously low. Never mind that they are fighting in a pool of about 300 fellow pro's worldwide, and that most are part time and combine boxing with fishing, goat herding and paper rounds, people give them maximum credit for beating these 13-3-3 guys and equate it to being equal to or even better than beating an unbeaten challenger in the welterweight division.

It's all nonsense really. If a 112 lber is really p4p he can move up and beat guys up to 122 at least. Manny did it, J M Marquez has done it.

these other guys, if they can only rule their pathetically uncompetative divisions they arn't p4p.

[OumaFan]

LOL, you're just messing with me now or you have Alzheimers, one of the two.

I can't believe you with your utter hatred of small guys pick one to put on your list but its the wrong fucking one.

I don't hate them at all I just assess them more realistically.

I think people treat little guys the way they treat animals. I.e a show a Cappacin Monkey breaking a nut and people will go 'Aww look at how clever they are!'.

Well its relative, yes they can use stones to crack nuts but but that's not exactly going to send a monkey to the moon is it?

It's the same with little guys, one of them shows some defence and he's a little Mayweather, knock a guy out and he's a mini Tyson.

The standards of comparison are just ridicously low. Never mind that they are fighting in a pool of about 300 fellow pro's worldwide, and that most are part time and combine boxing with fishing, goat herding and paper rounds, people give them maximum credit for beating these 13-3-3 guys and equate it to being equal to or even better than beating an unbeaten challenger in the welterweight division.

It's all nonsense really. If a 112 lber is really p4p he can move up and beat guys up to 122 at least. Manny did it, J M Marquez has done it.

these other guys, if they can only rule their pathetically uncompetative divisions they arn't p4p.

[0james0]

Personally I feel heavyweights should be included in the p4p as then the merits of all fighters and their acomplishments are respected. As much as I hate him David Haye would then squeak in as a unified cruiserweight champ and a legit heavyweight title belt holder. Wlad's reign has been a long and dominating one in recent years and the two of them have done more in an absolute sense than guys like Donaire and Artur Abraham imo. Wlad has dominated his division, Haye has won titles in two divisions and is only the second cruiser in history to become world heavyweight champ I believe.

They deserve slots ahead of Nonito ('Ive fought one world rated guy in my whole career) Donaire, and Abraham who is yet to face a legit, prime opponent.

1. Pacquaio
2. Mayweather
3. Mosely
4. Hopkins (drops below Mosely due to inactivity)
5. Marquez
6. Dawson
7. Williams
8. Wlad
9. Cabellero
10. Haye

Agree with you completley. Haye would have to go in if your basing it on results and belts.

Same goes for a Klitscho, as much as I dislike them, you cannot take away the fact they have been unbeatable for so long. Plus, in their most recent fights they took very good opponents apart and made it look very easy. Boring style yes, succesfull big yes.