Why Manny can't beat Floyd

[miron_lang]

Just like when I said Manny would beat Cotto or Mosley, and that it wasn't because Oscar was old or Hatton was tailor made that Manny beat them also because he was a great fighter?

Manny is a great fighter, but Floyd is better, and I will be saying this now and until I go to the fight. Floyd can't lose this fight unless he has an injury. Pacquiao is way too tailor made for him. Manny gets caught out of position, the way he throws punches offensively will be relatively easy for Mayweather to block, and Manny isn't super great at throwing punches of his back foot.

Pacquiao comes up new everytime up.

Roach lays down the plan
Pac doesnt worry about the promotion or the plan. he executes it.


Whatever technical flaws or shortcoming that pac may have againts Floyd ( You must be a 12 yr old moron if you think this fight is competitive just 5 yrs ago ) Roach will have something to fix it uo en route to a great fight plan.


Dont write Pacquiao off. Its a fair warning

[Taeth]

Wow you guys haven't watched Floyd at all, he always backs up southpaws with both hands up high. I thought Manny should have used a lot more movement against Cotto, but he wanted to prove a point, but regardless Pacquiao can be backed up relatively easily because he moves in and out, he isn't a guy who just comes forward, but if you can get him consistently moving back thats where he isn't as good. The fight against Hatton doesn't count because obviously a heavy hitter with speed would pick Hatton apart because he's so open when he comes in.

The problem is when you watch the Marquez fight Manny wasn't the offensively killer he was in later fights, and thats because Marquez didn't let him. Marquez was able to control the ring and even was more success leading in with the cross than Pacquiao was. Now put Mayweather in Marquez's shoes, a guy who blatantly showed he's bigger, faster, and stronger and better than Marquez, and Manny won't be able to get started.

The best way to beat a Ferrari in a race is to never let the key go into the ignition, and Mayweather wouldn't let Manny find his rhythm. Floyd will come forwad behind a high guard, and he will land right hand after right hand, and Manny will occasionally flurry, but Mayweather will either stand there and block the majority of them or move back quickly and stay out of Manny's range, then he will go right back to walking Manny down.

If Mayweather does choose to move and box which he doesn't do against southpaws, Manny is wide open when he moves in, and Mayweather will land counter right hands all night long, and Manny won't be able to even fight his range, but thats not how Mayweather will fight Manny.

[miron_lang]

Wow you guys haven't watched Floyd at all, he always backs up southpaws with both hands up high. I thought Manny should have used a lot more movement against Cotto, but he wanted to prove a point, but regardless Pacquiao can be backed up relatively easily because he moves in and out, he isn't a guy who just comes forward, but if you can get him consistently moving back thats where he isn't as good. The fight against Hatton doesn't count because obviously a heavy hitter with speed would pick Hatton apart because he's so open when he comes in.

The problem is when you watch the Marquez fight Manny wasn't the offensively killer he was in later fights, and thats because Marquez didn't let him. Marquez was able to control the ring and even was more success leading in with the cross than Pacquiao was. Now put Mayweather in Marquez's shoes, a guy who blatantly showed he's bigger, faster, and stronger and better than Marquez, and Manny won't be able to get started.

The best way to beat a Ferrari in a race is to never let the key go into the ignition, and Mayweather wouldn't let Manny find his rhythm. Floyd will come forwad behind a high guard, and he will land right hand after right hand, and Manny will occasionally flurry, but Mayweather will either stand there and block the majority of them or move back quickly and stay out of Manny's range, then he will go right back to walking Manny down.

If Mayweather does choose to move and box which he doesn't do against southpaws, Manny is wide open when he moves in, and Mayweather will land counter right hands all night long, and Manny won't be able to even fight his range, but thats not how Mayweather will fight Manny.

You realize Backing Pacquiao up literally means Floyd will be there in front on him right?

That would be a good strategy againts the version that fought Morales the 1st time (1st fight above 126). But againts this 30 yr old version? Fuck no way. PAC will overwhelm him. Stamina is Pac's under rated friend and will serve him well. Pac has the power of a welterweight, Floyd will have a taste consistently en route to a UD loss or a TKO loss. MO of the fight at least.

I really hope Floyd execute that plan.

[Taeth]

Backing Manny up is the best way to stop him from throwing punches. Marquez stood right in front of this version of Manny and when he started landing punches, Manny stopped throwing.

Manny has the power of a welterweight sure, but Mayweather has tasted the power of Oscar at 154 and easily handled it.

Stamina is the friend of both Manny and Mayweather. Both of them train harder than anyone else in the sport and they both have the best stamina in the sport, but I saw Manny getting tired against Cotto and Marquez in their fights, when have we seen Floyd get tired? His style conserves energy.

The kind of pressure that bother Mayweather is the kind Cotto throws at you, Mayweather loves when you punch because then he knows what you are going to do. Its when a guy is reserved and wait to get really close before throwing punches is when it bothers Floyd, and that isn't Manny, and trying to overwhelm Floyd how he throws punches will have him eating counters all night.

The thing is that Pacquiao is great at going backwards when he is fast enough to move out of his opponents range then come forward again, but Mayweather can match his footspeed and that means when Pacquiao tries to change direction to move forward Mayweather will be catching him with punches, thats what Marquez did so effectively. Even though it might look sort of fluid there is distinctive shifts in direction when Manny moves, and you can time him, its just 98% of the boxers are too slow to do it.

[brucelee]

Wow you guys haven't watched Floyd at all, he always backs up southpaws with both hands up high. I thought Manny should have used a lot more movement against Cotto, but he wanted to prove a point, but regardless Pacquiao can be backed up relatively easily because he moves in and out, he isn't a guy who just comes forward, but if you can get him consistently moving back thats where he isn't as good. The fight against Hatton doesn't count because obviously a heavy hitter with speed would pick Hatton apart because he's so open when he comes in.

The problem is when you watch the Marquez fight Manny wasn't the offensively killer he was in later fights, and thats because Marquez didn't let him. Marquez was able to control the ring and even was more success leading in with the cross than Pacquiao was. Now put Mayweather in Marquez's shoes, a guy who blatantly showed he's bigger, faster, and stronger and better than Marquez, and Manny won't be able to get started.

The best way to beat a Ferrari in a race is to never let the key go into the ignition, and Mayweather wouldn't let Manny find his rhythm. Floyd will come forwad behind a high guard, and he will land right hand after right hand, and Manny will occasionally flurry, but Mayweather will either stand there and block the majority of them or move back quickly and stay out of Manny's range, then he will go right back to walking Manny down.

If Mayweather does choose to move and box which he doesn't do against southpaws, Manny is wide open when he moves in, and Mayweather will land counter right hands all night long, and Manny won't be able to even fight his range, but thats not how Mayweather will fight Manny.

Floyd had problem with Zab. I hope you consider watching again that fight.