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    Military commanders are expected to tell the inquiry into the Iraq war, which opens on Tuesday, that the invasion was ill-conceived and that preparations were sabotaged by Tony Blair's government's attempts to mislead the public.
    They were so shocked by the lack of preparation for the aftermath of the invasion that they believe members of the British and US governments at the time could be prosecuted for war crimes by breaching the duty outlined in the Geneva convention to safeguard civilians in a conflict, the Guardian has been told.
    The lengths the Blair government took to conceal the invasion plan and the extent of military commanders' anger at what they call the government's "appalling" failures emerged as Sir John Chilcot, the inquiry's chairman, promised to produce a "full and insightful" account of how Britain was drawn into the conflict.
    Fresh evidence has emerged about how Blair misled MPs by claiming in 2002 that the goal was "disarmament, not regime change". Documents show the government wanted to hide its true intentions by informing only "very small numbers" of officials.......

    One commander said the government "missed a golden opportunity" to win support from Iraqis. Another commented: "It was not unlike 1750s colonialism where the military had to do everything ourselves". One, describing the supply chain, added: "I know for a fact that there was one container full of skis in the desert".
    Some troops were deployed in civilian flights to countries neighbouring Iraq with their equipment "brought in by hand baggage". Items considered dangerous, including penknives and nail scissors, were confiscated from them................













    Significantly, the documents support what officials have earlier admitted – that the army was not allowed to prepare properly for the Iraq invasion in 2002 so as not to alert parliament and the UN that Blair was already determined to go to war.
    The documents add: "In Whitehall, the internal operational security regime, in which only very small numbers of officers and officials were allowed to become involved [in Iraq invasion preparations] constrained broader planning for combat operations and subsequent phases effectively until Dec 23 2002."
    Blair had in effect promised George Bush that he would join the US-led invasion when, as late as July 2002, he was denying to MPs that preparations were being made for military action. The leaked documents reveal that "from March 2002 or May at the latest there was a significant possibility of a large-scale British operation".
    Documents leaked in 2005 show that, almost a year before the invasion, Blair was privately preparing to commit Britain to war and topple Saddam Hussein, despite warnings from his closest advisers that it was unjustified. They also show how Blair was planning to justify regime change as an objective, despite warnings from Lord Goldsmith, the attorney general, that the "desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action.






    Leaked documents reveal No 10 cover-up over Iraq invasion | Politics | guardian.co.uk


    This is the problem with having politicians as head of state. One morning you wake up and find there's a war criminal in charge. As long as Britain is going to continue behaving like it's still the nineteenth century, which would appear to be the forseeable future, you can't let somebody sending the army into illegal oil/etc. wars then take the highest office. So for the forseeable future replacing the Queen, who hasn't put a foot wrong in over half a century representing the country and will never have stuff like this turning up in the papers, is impossible.

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    I voted yes but in all fairness the only way that would ever happend was if there was some sort of Revolt against Queen and HER country. (Which just so happens to include the British Army).... So i doubt i'd actually like that at all, given the most likely successor outside of the Royal family to be Al-Qaeda
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimboogie View Post
    I voted yes but in all fairness the only way that would ever happend was if there was some sort of Revolt against Queen and HER country. (Which just so happens to include the British Army).... So i doubt i'd actually like that at all, given the most likely successor outside of the Royal family to be Al-Qaeda
    At least they'd be cheap on our taxes seeing as they all live in caves

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post
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    I voted yes but in all fairness the only way that would ever happend was if there was some sort of Revolt against Queen and HER country. (Which just so happens to include the British Army).... So i doubt i'd actually like that at all, given the most likely successor outside of the Royal family to be Al-Qaeda
    At least they'd be cheap on our taxes seeing as they all live in caves
    Well that's just the leaders and such like individuals. The rest live in Upton Park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimboogie View Post
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    I voted yes but in all fairness the only way that would ever happend was if there was some sort of Revolt against Queen and HER country. (Which just so happens to include the British Army).... So i doubt i'd actually like that at all, given the most likely successor outside of the Royal family to be Al-Qaeda
    At least they'd be cheap on our taxes seeing as they all live in caves
    Well that's just the leaders and such like individuals. The rest live in Upton Park.
    Isn't that basically the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post
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    At least they'd be cheap on our taxes seeing as they all live in caves
    Well that's just the leaders and such like individuals. The rest live in Upton Park.
    Isn't that basically the same thing?
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    That sounds ominous
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    Default Re: Should we abolish the Royal family?

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
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    Well that's just the leaders and such like individuals. The rest live in Upton Park.
    Isn't that basically the same thing?
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