Why I think PBF beats PAC

[brucelee]

Shoulder roll doesn't work the same against straight lefts, its built for right handers throwing straight right hands.

Yeah your right, he never does it with southpaws.

ICE, the pac that fought JMM in the second fight has developed even further skillwise with added size and strength while retaining 98% of his speed

well said. Ice is also forgetting how Pac had developed since his last fight against Marquez.

Ice is also forgetting that Pac would have won against marquez in their first fight had one of the judges not made an error. Marquez was also saved by the bell in his second fight with Pac.

Anyway, this is why Pac vs Mayweather is very exciting. Personally, I consider it as exciting as Pac vs Cotto.

[sumkalambay]

i don't think PBF will be using the shoulder roll all that much in this fight. just a tight guard. i hope to see him engage.

[The Boxer]

Will you guys stop with the shoulder role. That was just me speaking about what could be an excitement moment in the fight. I wasn't saying it was going to win him the fight. Even still i can't think of one fight were he didn't use some form of his shoulder role defense. He might not of layed on the ropes but he did use it.

[ICB]

Shoulder roll doesn't work the same against straight lefts, its built for right handers throwing straight right hands.

Yeah your right, he never does it with southpaws.

ICE, the pac that fought JMM in the second fight has developed even further skillwise with added size and strength while retaining 98% of his speed

well said. Ice is also forgetting how Pac had developed since his last fight against Marquez.

Ice is also forgetting that Pac would have won against marquez in their first fight had one of the judges not made an error. Marquez was also saved by the bell in his second fight with Pac.

Anyway, this is why Pac vs Mayweather is very exciting. Personally, I consider it as exciting as Pac vs Cotto.

Im not forgetting anything i think JMM beat Manny Pacquiao twice, forgetting that the judge made an error. That wouldn't change my mind that i thought JMM won. And wasn't Manny Pacquiao saved by the bell in there 2nd fight aswell ? he was on the verge of going down in the 2nd round of there 2nd fight.

Also Manny Pacquiao has only looked better. because of the type of opponents he has been fighting. David Diaz is a one dimensional brawler, ODLH come forward but he was a zombie because he was weight drained.

Ricky Hatton had no defense and has seen better days, and again he come forward. And lastly Miguel Cotto also come forward trying to exchange punches with a much faster opponent.

All these opponents forgetting if they were shot or ETC. All made the mistake of coming forward, trying to impose there strength. On a opponent which is much faster, and i don't care how strong you are speed kills.

And i don't think personally Manny Pacquiao has looked any better, since the JMM fight. I just think JMM style wise is a bad fight for him, he circles in the right direction to avoid his left hand.

He has great timing which beats speed, he is a great counter puncher, he has a great straight right hand a Southpaw's biggest weakness. And best of all he doesn't come forward. He makes Manny Pacquiao lead which is the way to beat him, which is how Erik Morales beat him.

And thats why Floyd Mayweather Jr will beat him, and also because Floyd Mayweather does everything pretty much better than JMM, including the most important thing "Defense" which has let JMM down in his two fights with Manny Pacquiao.

[Hornfinger]

Pacquiao is not the adaptable fighter that floyd mayweather is. Pac's main skill is making others fight his fight.

Eric Morales adapted after a couple of rounds and then boxed pac to an easy decision. pac could not adapt to Eric's change of stratagy. Due to age and weight Morales wasn't able to employ the same stratagy in fights two and three.

Similar story in both fights with Marquez. If it hadn't been for Juan's lapses in concentration and the Mexican addiction to having a brawl Marquez could have done those fights easier. But again Pac had very little answer for a very good back foot counter puncher.

Pac then went on to fight a weight drained corpse by the name of De La Hoya. Oscar couldn't have done a hit and move stratagy even if he'd wanted to.

Ricky Hatton, Ricky had already been Ko'd by Mayweather and has now admited to 'having the worst training camp in his career.' By his own admission Ricky wanted to get the fight over and done with and although he'd left his best work in the gym he still believed that with on big punch he could beat pac. And thats what he went for, he steamed in their to get that one big punch, that style is like a christmas present for Pac.

Miguel Cotto. It was an interesting start. Miguel was seriously hurt/damaged by the half way mark, and this was where he decided to get on his bike. He went on the back foot and moved. Pac got visibly frustrated by this and didn't really know what to do other than chase. Due to the amount of damage sustained and fatigue Cotto ran out of steam and could no longer keep out of the way.

Floyd Mayweather is the best back foot fighting counter puncher on the planet, maybe of all time. He is in amazing condition and doesn't get tired, 12 rounds is nothing to him. Floyd can adapt to anyone, and he can manipulate a fighter to fight his fight. He can frustrate even the most ice cold boxers.

I think Floyd will/would beat Paquioa if they meet, and I think it's possible that he could even make manny look a bit silly in the process.

Not that I'd count pac out, he's got a massive punch, and he is always in great great condition. I think though his style plays in to floyds hands where as floyds style gives pac nightmeres.

My money would be on floyd.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

and may I just say - welcome home HF.

[Memphis]

No one ever leaves saddo's

[BIG H]

Welcome back HF

"You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave"

[Hornfinger]

it's only been what? 4 years?

HAHA!

Very glad to be back, there has been some absolutely fantastic boxing on recently, I think 2010 is going to be amazing. Especially if Pac and Mayweather do fight.

[milmascaras1]

if mayweather jr. decides to pop shot his way to a victory, the fight could become very boxing. but if he decides to engage pacquiao, i believe mayweather will win by KO. mayweather's power is underrated because he chooses not to engage.

[nyc champ]

I AGREE AS WELL FOR PBF BEATING PAC. IS GONA BE A GOOD FIGHT BOTH VERY DIFFRENT STYLES, BUT I CAN SEE PBF WINNING BY A decision.

[miron_lang]

Yes I think Floyd should/Would beat Manny. But will he actually do it?


With the kind of work Manny has put on I think it would not be a "Nuthuggery" to think that he's capable of surprising us yet again and wins by stoppage.

Forum experts are experts only after the fight have happened. Before the fight their predictions are exactly the opposite

[The Congressman]

Roach should listen to his opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjdKuDbBG6g

[Taeth]

haha this guy serious? I give him credit for studying tape, but he is retarded. Why would you compare how Mayweather fights orthodox fighters to how he would face Manny? Its like he's only seen Mayweather-Marquez. Mayweather maintains his own style, but he fight each guy little bit different, just like all great boxers, but he absolutely does not fight southpaws the same way he fights orthodox guys, he is open to different punches and a guy like Floyd knows that. He keeps both hands much higher, he doesnt leap in with the left hook the same way, and he throws his straight right way more.

[Dr. Steelhammer]

If Zab knocked down Floyd, then I don't see Pac inflicting bigger damage on Floyd.

Floyd won't be able to run for 12 rounds. I think he will get caught eventually.

Imo, it's 50/50.