Pavlik vs Bute

[JazMerkin]

Bute stops him in 3 rounds imo. Pavlik always looks a bit vulnerable early & I think once Bute hurts him, he'll close the show.

[DaxxKahn]

I go with Bute by UD, IMO as most peoples it seems is if Kelly can land the right hand enough to hurt Bute to the point he is really staggered but Bute has a pretty good chin and I don't see him getting trounced by one shot.

I see this being simular to the Hopkins fight where Pavlik is game but he just gets out classed by a superior boxer

[jdonaher1]

I'm a little worried as to where Pavlik's head is these days. I've been reading lots of rumors (all of them bad). Given Bute's recent fights and Pavlik looking completley lost when he moved up to face Hopkins I say Bute by wide decision or late KO.

Hope the fight comes off anyways as it more good exposure for Bute. If he wins he's in-line for a good payday vs. Dawson or the Super 6 winner.

[armin]

"PAvlik has a big heart, he's strong physically. However, his resilience and jaw are nowhere close to Andrade"

Well I don't factor jaw into resilience, pavlik to me has plenty of resilience by getting up every time he's been down, and even when he was beat over 12 rounds by hop he just kept coming, so his jaw might not be on the level of andrade but his resilience and will sure are.

[Kev]

Damn never has a man been hailed so highly for achieving so little.

Pavlik would bully and break up Lucian Bute, I'd put my house on it. He's got no stamina and a suspect chin.

He's the most overatted fighter in boxing after Nonito Donaire.

Sig bets with anyone willing to step up on this.

When he fights a top fighter he's going to do his best Jermain Taylor impression, trust me on this

[ICB]

Damn never has a man been hailed so highly for achieving so little.

Pavlik would bully and break up Lucian Bute, I'd put my house on it. He's got no stamina and a suspect chin.

He's the most overatted fighter in boxing after Nonito Donaire.

Sig bets with anyone willing to step up on this.

When he fights a top fighter he's going to do his best Jermain Taylor impression, trust me on this

I'll step up and accept your challenge no sweat, Lucian Bute was actually underrated before the 2nd Librado Andrade fight. He beat Sakio Bika more convincingly than anyone else has including Joe Calzaghe, he stopped Kabary Salem, a fighter who put Joe Calzaghe down heavily and went 12 rounds with him.

Fulgencio Zuniga who put down Kelly Pavlik, and was never down in 9 tough rounds with Kelly Pavlik. He was stopped within 4 rounds by Lucian Bute with a body shot, and Lolenga Mock a fighter who put down David Haye. And obviously an impressive early round stoppage of a fighter, who people thought would never be stopped aka Librado Andrade.

He has some good underrated wins on his record, im not saying his record is fantastic. But its a decent record for only being a pro for 6 years, i like Lucian Bute i have for quite awhile. I think he's the real deal.

And lastly i don't see how you can say Lucian Bute has a suspect chin, he's been in with some good punchers. And has never really looked hurt except for the Librado Andrade fight, but that was from an accumulation of punishment. It was basically the same as the Meldrick Taylor fight, and i don't think Meldrick Taylor had a suspect chin.

As for the stamina issue well he's had some late stoppage wins, like the one in the 11th round when he won his title. But yes anyway i'll doubt i'll change your mind thats your opinion, which is fair enough but i accept your bet.

[Kev]

Damn never has a man been hailed so highly for achieving so little.

Pavlik would bully and break up Lucian Bute, I'd put my house on it. He's got no stamina and a suspect chin.

He's the most overatted fighter in boxing after Nonito Donaire.

Sig bets with anyone willing to step up on this.

When he fights a top fighter he's going to do his best Jermain Taylor impression, trust me on this

I'll step up and accept your challenge no sweat, Lucian Bute was actually underrated before the 2nd Librado Andrade fight. He beat Sakio Bika more convincingly than anyone else has including Joe Calzaghe, he stopped Kabary Salem, a fighter who put Joe Calzaghe down heavily and went 12 rounds with him.

Fulgencio Zuniga who put down Kelly Pavlik, and was never down in 9 tough rounds with Kelly Pavlik. He was stopped within 4 rounds by Lucian Bute with a body shot, and Lolenga Mock a fighter who put down David Haye. And obviously an impressive early round stoppage of a fighter, who people thought would never be stopped aka Librado Andrade.

He has some good underrated wins on his record, im not saying his record is fantastic. But its a decent record for only being a pro for 6 years, i like Lucian Bute i have for quite awhile. I think he's the real deal.

And lastly i don't see how you can say Lucian Bute has a suspect chin, he's been in with some good punchers. And has never really looked hurt except for the Librado Andrade fight, but that was from an accumulation of punishment. It was basically the same as the Meldrick Taylor fight, and i don't think Meldrick Taylor had a suspect chin.

As for the stamina issue well he's had some late stoppage wins, like the one in the 11th round when he won his title. But yes anyway i'll doubt i'll change your mind thats your opinion, which is fair enough but i accept your bet.

What punishment did he accumulate, Librado did nothing for 11 rounds and then Bute just gassed.

He's the new Marcus Beyer imo.

I don't think he's that special at all. He's never even beaten a reigning world champion. Berrio was just a suprise winner of a vacant belt, Joppy was old and well past his prime, the rest of opposition has just been mediocre.

Joppy is the only guy he has fought you could say was ever world class but that was a long time before Bute got to him.

Andrade has always been a poor mans Edison Miranda, less power but a better chin, approximate same skill level of zero, he was 1-13 as an amatuer and beating him, even by ko hardly means a great deal, especially when he was knocked out by him a year ago.

I'm sure Bute would give anyone trouble for a few rounds, but once he comes up against sustained pressure he will crumble. I can't think of any fighter who crumbled the way he did against Andrade in the first fight ever overcome that kind of late fight stamina depletion. It will always be a factor in his fights, and its something that will only ever get worse.

Depending how many fights his career lasts he's going to finish his career with at least 4 or 5 stoppage losses.

I'd pick Jermain Taylor over him.

[OumaFan]

I don't know if I totally agree with Bilbo (he'd probably beat Pavlik who's a bit out there these days) but I do kind of agree. He is getting a bit overrated maybe. I mean seriously Mikkel Kessler showed what a topish fighter should do with Librado Andrade long before Bute even fought him. He's a solid fighter but there are some things I don't like about him. He should have been in the Super Six though. Out of that group I could see Abraham, Ward, Kessler, and (I can't believe I'm saying this out loud) maybe even Froch beating him. Maybe Dirrell too. Not like I think he's bad though, just not great.

[DaxxKahn]

Damn never has a man been hailed so highly for achieving so little.

Pavlik would bully and break up Lucian Bute, I'd put my house on it. He's got no stamina and a suspect chin.

He's the most overatted fighter in boxing after Nonito Donaire.

Sig bets with anyone willing to step up on this.

When he fights a top fighter he's going to do his best Jermain Taylor impression, trust me on this

I'll step up and accept your challenge no sweat, Lucian Bute was actually underrated before the 2nd Librado Andrade fight. He beat Sakio Bika more convincingly than anyone else has including Joe Calzaghe, he stopped Kabary Salem, a fighter who put Joe Calzaghe down heavily and went 12 rounds with him.

Fulgencio Zuniga who put down Kelly Pavlik, and was never down in 9 tough rounds with Kelly Pavlik. He was stopped within 4 rounds by Lucian Bute with a body shot, and Lolenga Mock a fighter who put down David Haye. And obviously an impressive early round stoppage of a fighter, who people thought would never be stopped aka Librado Andrade.

He has some good underrated wins on his record, im not saying his record is fantastic. But its a decent record for only being a pro for 6 years, i like Lucian Bute i have for quite awhile. I think he's the real deal.

And lastly i don't see how you can say Lucian Bute has a suspect chin, he's been in with some good punchers. And has never really looked hurt except for the Librado Andrade fight, but that was from an accumulation of punishment. It was basically the same as the Meldrick Taylor fight, and i don't think Meldrick Taylor had a suspect chin.

As for the stamina issue well he's had some late stoppage wins, like the one in the 11th round when he won his title. But yes anyway i'll doubt i'll change your mind thats your opinion, which is fair enough but i accept your bet.

What punishment did he accumulate, Librado did nothing for 11 rounds and then Bute just gassed.

He's the new Marcus Beyer imo.

I don't think he's that special at all. He's never even beaten a reigning world champion. Berrio was just a suprise winner of a vacant belt, Joppy was old and well past his prime, the rest of opposition has just been mediocre.

Joppy is the only guy he has fought you could say was ever world class but that was a long time before Bute got to him.

Andrade has always been a poor mans Edison Miranda, less power but a better chin, approximate same skill level of zero, he was 1-13 as an amatuer and beating him, even by ko hardly means a great deal, especially when he was knocked out by him a year ago.

I'm sure Bute would give anyone trouble for a few rounds, but once he comes up against sustained pressure he will crumble. I can't think of any fighter who crumbled the way he did against Andrade in the first fight ever overcome that kind of late fight stamina depletion. It will always be a factor in his fights, and its something that will only ever get worse.

Depending how many fights his career lasts he's going to finish his career with at least 4 or 5 stoppage losses.

I'd pick Jermain Taylor over him.

Bute is no Marcus Beyer that much is for sure, Bute is the real deal...

Taylor over Bute? What the hell have you been inhaling in that Hobbit hole of yours? Try some fresh air on the main grounds it will do wonders for your perception of things

[Nameless]

Damn never has a man been hailed so highly for achieving so little.

Pavlik would bully and break up Lucian Bute, I'd put my house on it. He's got no stamina and a suspect chin.

He's the most overatted fighter in boxing after Nonito Donaire.

Sig bets with anyone willing to step up on this.

When he fights a top fighter he's going to do his best Jermain Taylor impression, trust me on this

I'll step up and accept your challenge no sweat, Lucian Bute was actually underrated before the 2nd Librado Andrade fight. He beat Sakio Bika more convincingly than anyone else has including Joe Calzaghe, he stopped Kabary Salem, a fighter who put Joe Calzaghe down heavily and went 12 rounds with him.

Fulgencio Zuniga who put down Kelly Pavlik, and was never down in 9 tough rounds with Kelly Pavlik. He was stopped within 4 rounds by Lucian Bute with a body shot, and Lolenga Mock a fighter who put down David Haye. And obviously an impressive early round stoppage of a fighter, who people thought would never be stopped aka Librado Andrade.

He has some good underrated wins on his record, im not saying his record is fantastic. But its a decent record for only being a pro for 6 years, i like Lucian Bute i have for quite awhile. I think he's the real deal.

And lastly i don't see how you can say Lucian Bute has a suspect chin, he's been in with some good punchers. And has never really looked hurt except for the Librado Andrade fight, but that was from an accumulation of punishment. It was basically the same as the Meldrick Taylor fight, and i don't think Meldrick Taylor had a suspect chin.

As for the stamina issue well he's had some late stoppage wins, like the one in the 11th round when he won his title. But yes anyway i'll doubt i'll change your mind thats your opinion, which is fair enough but i accept your bet.

What punishment did he accumulate, Librado did nothing for 11 rounds and then Bute just gassed.

He's the new Marcus Beyer imo.

I don't think he's that special at all. He's never even beaten a reigning world champion. Berrio was just a suprise winner of a vacant belt, Joppy was old and well past his prime, the rest of opposition has just been mediocre.

Joppy is the only guy he has fought you could say was ever world class but that was a long time before Bute got to him.

Andrade has always been a poor mans Edison Miranda, less power but a better chin, approximate same skill level of zero, he was 1-13 as an amatuer and beating him, even by ko hardly means a great deal, especially when he was knocked out by him a year ago.

I'm sure Bute would give anyone trouble for a few rounds, but once he comes up against sustained pressure he will crumble. I can't think of any fighter who crumbled the way he did against Andrade in the first fight ever overcome that kind of late fight stamina depletion. It will always be a factor in his fights, and its something that will only ever get worse.

Depending how many fights his career lasts he's going to finish his career with at least 4 or 5 stoppage losses.

I'd pick Jermain Taylor over him.

The only man to ever ko Andrade and Kabari Salem, the Egyptian Magician, one of the hardest hitter of the division,excellent speed, movement and defense and you think he's such a fluke? I understand your reluctance with the hype he just got but as Dan Raphael said, he's probably the Kryptonite of the division. I bet what you want that Froch or Pavlik do not see the light of the 12 rounds against him and that he has all the potential to potentially outsmart Abraham. Bute was famed for his stamina, the last round with Andrade of the first fight is a fluke because he decided to trade punch for punch toward the end and not stick to his game plan. That plus he didn't throw body shots because Andrade had a more or less illegal protector, in the second fight they ordered to have it under scrutiny to avoid him to get so much advantages from a total body shield. the only one which I would worry about at the moment is Ward because of the speed but on paper, the guy has the full deck to have a very good chance to beat anybody in the division, not necessarily to beat them absolutely but he has all the tools to achieve it.

[Mar]

...bute could win this fight easy. Show up to the ring with a paul williams mask he'd be scared shitless and loose the fight.

[Pugilistic]

Bute is a skilled outside fighter who has good pop and good handspeed.

Pavlik has got a good chance though due to his power and Butes average defense.

I can't pick a winner.

[Rantcatrat]

Damn never has a man been hailed so highly for achieving so little.

Pavlik would bully and break up Lucian Bute, I'd put my house on it. He's got no stamina and a suspect chin.

He's the most overatted fighter in boxing after Nonito Donaire.

Sig bets with anyone willing to step up on this.

When he fights a top fighter he's going to do his best Jermain Taylor impression, trust me on this

I'll take this bet too.

I like Bute over the Stieglitz v. Miranda winner and over Pavlik and probably also over Green.

[iwng100]

Damn never has a man been hailed so highly for achieving so little.

Pavlik would bully and break up Lucian Bute, I'd put my house on it. He's got no stamina and a suspect chin.

He's the most overatted fighter in boxing after Nonito Donaire.

Sig bets with anyone willing to step up on this.

When he fights a top fighter he's going to do his best Jermain Taylor impression, trust me on this

Do you mean the "hole in the ground", isn't it ?

[Violent Demise]

Damn never has a man been hailed so highly for achieving so little.

Pavlik would bully and break up Lucian Bute, I'd put my house on it. He's got no stamina and a suspect chin.

He's the most overatted fighter in boxing after Nonito Donaire.

Sig bets with anyone willing to step up on this.

When he fights a top fighter he's going to do his best Jermain Taylor impression, trust me on this

You get your mom's permission?