Pacquiao vs Mayweather who wins?

[miron_lang]

6 rounds a piece with Pacquiao getting a KD.


114-113 Pacquiao

Dont do that. I might bump this thread after the fight

[Cleon]

6 rounds a piece with Pacquiao getting a KD.


114-113 Pacquiao

Dont do that. I might bump this thread after the fight

Not laughing at you son
Laughing with you
The KD triggered a natural response

[Jimmy G-Force]

I think the smart 'money' has got to go with it's namesake. As brilliant as Manny is, for me, Mayweather probably knows a little too much.

Manny has come a long way, and is a different animal to the fighter that drew with JMM the first time around. I dont fully understand how he manages to defy the laws and move through the weights and still look the naturally stronger fighter.

Taking Manny's ridiculous handspeed and accuracy, amazing angles, and excellent set of whiskers as read, what impressed me the most in the Cotto fight was his pacing of the rounds. He set traps, showed cute feints, then unloaded with punches in bunches. He doesnt look to steal rounds in the 1st or last minute like Oscar for example, but more to inflict as much damage as he can with those bursts and lead rights and short left uppercuts through the middle. Very, very impressed with Manny. I'm a Cotto fan and have all of Cotto's fights on DVD, I've been a fan for a long time, but never thought Manny could do that to him. I appreciate Cotto does have an issue cardio wise in the later rounds, but he usually dictates the pace and has enough left in the tank. Tony didnt allow him that time, neither did Manny.

Manny reminds me a bit of Tito, once Trinidad was finished with you, the rest of your career was never the same. Hopefully this wont be the case with Cotto.

As for Mayweather v Manny, it's a whole different ball game. You have the opitome of defensive genius up against the proverbial offensive firestorm. I just feel Mayweather will be too cute. The speed factor is still tipped in Mayweather's favour for me. Not since Meldrick Taylor have I seen faster hands, and I think this is where the fight will be won. I just think Floyd with the notable reach advantage will always be in range, and will make Manny pay for any missed shots. I also see Floyd dictating the fight on his terms.

Boxing is all about styles and levels, and for me, Mayweather redefines the level. Taking the obvious weight and size advantage out of the equation, I think Mayweathers technically brilliant performance against JMM showed exactly what I mean when talking about levels. Along with Hopkins and Floyd, for me, JMM has always been in my eyes, one of the most intelligent fighters of the modern era. Marquez, (with the John fight open to debate), has always used his savvy to find the answers. And he has done it against the very best. Against Floyd, he looked out of his depth in this regard, and was subsequently beaten like a ginger step-son. I really dont think there are many fighters out there that out-thinks JMM. Mayweather made it look easy in that aspect.

Two great fighters, both in their prime. I'm not sure in my 25 years of following the game, if there has ever been a bigger fight than this. And as much as I respect everything that Manny stands for and brings to the table, I just cant see him winning this fight. When you talk about defining fights, I think this is the one that will really cement Floyd as one of the true, all time, pound for pound greats. Floyd by UD.

Just my 2 cents ........

[saad79]

As good as Manny has looked in his last few fights i.e. vs. De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto, I am still picking Mayweather. These three men, while big names, were alll somewhat jaded by the time Pacquiao faced them. De La Hoya was 35 and looking for a few last paydays, Hatton was drained to get back down to 140 and had already been stopped by Mayweather, Cotto had taken a beating from a (maybe) plaster handed Margarito. eanwhile, Mayweather looked pretty good beating Juan Manuel Marquez. If Manny forces the action, Floyd will be too elusive and nullify him with defense. If Floyd takes the initiative and comes forward, Manny could get lucky with a powerful counter punch and surprise Floyd, but I think Mayweather will make Manny come to him. I see Floyd winning a decision.

[milmascaras1]

i agree! mayweather is just too good ability wise for pacquiao. sure pacquiao has beaten fighters that were right in front of him but he's going to find mayweather jr. much much more elusive and mayweather is going to confuse the hell out of him for a decision victory.

[KKisser]

As good as Manny has looked in his last few fights i.e. vs. De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto, I am still picking Mayweather. These three men, while big names, were alll somewhat jaded by the time Pacquiao faced them. De La Hoya was 35 and looking for a few last paydays, Hatton was drained to get back down to 140 and had already been stopped by Mayweather, Cotto had taken a beating from a (maybe) plaster handed Margarito. eanwhile, Mayweather looked pretty good beating Juan Manuel Marquez. If Manny forces the action, Floyd will be too elusive and nullify him with defense. If Floyd takes the initiative and comes forward, Manny could get lucky with a powerful counter punch and surprise Floyd, but I think Mayweather will make Manny come to him. I see Floyd winning a decision.

you could also say mayweather looked good in beating an old bloated marquez whose best fighting weight is at 130lbs. i think a lot of people are looking too much into that floyd win. honestly i think pac would beat mayweather pound for pound, that is if they were the same size. but being the naturally bigger fighter i'd give him the slight edge having the longer reach and better skills. i'm hoping pac's natural physical abilities, heart and determination will pull him through though.

[piye]

to be honest this reminds me exactly of the Hopkins Trinidad fight! one fighter moiving through the weight classes; looking unstoppable as he destroys otherwise durable opponents.

One fighter not given the respect he deserves, but with unquestionable skill! turns out to be a one sided fight with outstanding defense usually being the answer to outstanding offense!

I think this fight to be much closer than Hopkins, Trinidad but to still end with just one winner.

[Jimmy G-Force]

you could also say mayweather looked good in beating an old bloated marquez whose best fighting weight is at 130lbs. i think a lot of people are looking too much into that floyd win. honestly i think pac would beat mayweather pound for pound, that is if they were the same size. but being the naturally bigger fighter i'd give him the slight edge having the longer reach and better skills. i'm hoping pac's natural physical abilities, heart and determination will pull him through though.

I think that was always par for the course. The bottom line is Marquez was always going to be just another marquee name added to the illustrious Mayweather resume. Mayweather collects these in the same way Oscar did. I had no doubt about the outcome of that fight, the great big man will always beat the great little man. What did suprise me though was the ease in which Mayweather handled JMM in the thought stakes. JMM has pretty much always found a way to win, and he has done that by working out his opponent in the ring. JMM is a very, very intelligent fighter, who can adapt, address and execute a plan on his feet. I at least expected JMM to give Mayweather something to think about, regardless of Mayweather's obvious size advantage. But he couldnt, and that is testament to Floyd.

I think Oscar had the best chance of beating Mayweather as he had all the tools. He was big enough, clever enough, and had the weapon, namely the jab. He just ran out out steam and neglected what was working. And that for me was Oscar's last hurrah. The Oscar that fought Manny was shot, and a shadow of his former self. But thats not to take anything anyway from Manny's performance, he did what he had to, and did it very well.

Hatton simply wasnt prepared, Rick is a good friend of mine, and 3 weeks before that fight Oscar tried to pull it. Rick was looking shocking, getting battered in sparring and was massively over-trained. Everybody including Rick's dad tried to stop this fight, but Rick wouldnt have it. I got told 3 weeks before the fight was Rick would get knocked out, and that was from inside his camp. I went to Vegas with my mate, and after what I had told him, he put money on an early Manny KO, the rest is history.

Do I think Manny would have beaten a prime Hatton ? Yes I do.

The Cotto fight though was flawless, and it was almost as hard to watch for me as the Oscar and Hatton fight. Along with RJJ, Hatton and Oscar have always been my 3 favourite fighters, with Cotto not far behind. You could say Manny is my hero killer, he has certainly smashed to pieces my favourite fighters of this era, .......the little facker

I have the utmost respect for Manny, he is nothing short of sensational, and really does defy all conventional logic, but I just dont think has has the required tools to beat someone like Mayweather. He just isnt big enough, and doesnt have the reach or the jab to upset Mayweathers groove and knock him out of his rhythm.

I have learnt that you just cant bet against Manny right now, but if the name Floyd Mayweather Jnr is thrown into the equation, then I think you have a very special exception to the rule.

Just my 2 cents ...........

[miron_lang]

I think the smart 'money' has got to go with it's namesake. As brilliant as Manny is, for me, Mayweather probably knows a little too much.

Manny has come a long way, and is a different animal to the fighter that drew with JMM the first time around. I dont fully understand how he manages to defy the laws and move through the weights and still look the naturally stronger fighter.

Taking Manny's ridiculous handspeed and accuracy, amazing angles, and excellent set of whiskers as read, what impressed me the most in the Cotto fight was his pacing of the rounds. He set traps, showed cute feints, then unloaded with punches in bunches. He doesnt look to steal rounds in the 1st or last minute like Oscar for example, but more to inflict as much damage as he can with those bursts and lead rights and short left uppercuts through the middle. Very, very impressed with Manny. I'm a Cotto fan and have all of Cotto's fights on DVD, I've been a fan for a long time, but never thought Manny could do that to him. I appreciate Cotto does have an issue cardio wise in the later rounds, but he usually dictates the pace and has enough left in the tank. Tony didnt allow him that time, neither did Manny.

Manny reminds me a bit of Tito, once Trinidad was finished with you, the rest of your career was never the same. Hopefully this wont be the case with Cotto.

As for Mayweather v Manny, it's a whole different ball game. You have the opitome of defensive genius up against the proverbial offensive firestorm. I just feel Mayweather will be too cute. The speed factor is still tipped in Mayweather's favour for me. Not since Meldrick Taylor have I seen faster hands, and I think this is where the fight will be won. I just think Floyd with the notable reach advantage will always be in range, and will make Manny pay for any missed shots. I also see Floyd dictating the fight on his terms.

Boxing is all about styles and levels, and for me, Mayweather redefines the level. Taking the obvious weight and size advantage out of the equation, I think Mayweathers technically brilliant performance against JMM showed exactly what I mean when talking about levels. Along with Hopkins and Floyd, for me, JMM has always been in my eyes, one of the most intelligent fighters of the modern era. Marquez, (with the John fight open to debate), has always used his savvy to find the answers. And he has done it against the very best. Against Floyd, he looked out of his depth in the this regard, and was subsequently beaten like a ginger step-son. I really dont think there are many fighters out there that out-thinks JMM. Mayweather made it look easy in that regard.

Two great fighters, both in their prime. I'm not sure in my 25 years of following the game, if there has ever been a bigger fight than this. And as much as I respect everything that Manny stands for and brings to the table, I just cant see him winning this fight. When you talk about defining fights, I think this is the one that will really cement Floyd as one of the true, all time, pound for pound greats. Floyd by UD.

Just my 2 cents ........

Great post

Pac has exceeded expectations in his last 4 fights. He might exceed all expectations again, this is gonna be his biggest fight after all. Floyd on the other hand already thinks that he's the greatest of all time.

[brucelee]

I think the smart 'money' has got to go with it's namesake. As brilliant as Manny is, for me, Mayweather probably knows a little too much.

Manny has come a long way, and is a different animal to the fighter that drew with JMM the first time around. I dont fully understand how he manages to defy the laws and move through the weights and still look the naturally stronger fighter.

Taking Manny's ridiculous handspeed and accuracy, amazing angles, and excellent set of whiskers as read, what impressed me the most in the Cotto fight was his pacing of the rounds. He set traps, showed cute feints, then unloaded with punches in bunches. He doesnt look to steal rounds in the 1st or last minute like Oscar for example, but more to inflict as much damage as he can with those bursts and lead rights and short left uppercuts through the middle. Very, very impressed with Manny. I'm a Cotto fan and have all of Cotto's fights on DVD, I've been a fan for a long time, but never thought Manny could do that to him. I appreciate Cotto does have an issue cardio wise in the later rounds, but he usually dictates the pace and has enough left in the tank. Tony didnt allow him that time, neither did Manny.

Manny reminds me a bit of Tito, once Trinidad was finished with you, the rest of your career was never the same. Hopefully this wont be the case with Cotto.

As for Mayweather v Manny, it's a whole different ball game. You have the opitome of defensive genius up against the proverbial offensive firestorm. I just feel Mayweather will be too cute. The speed factor is still tipped in Mayweather's favour for me. Not since Meldrick Taylor have I seen faster hands, and I think this is where the fight will be won. I just think Floyd with the notable reach advantage will always be in range, and will make Manny pay for any missed shots. I also see Floyd dictating the fight on his terms.

Boxing is all about styles and levels, and for me, Mayweather redefines the level. Taking the obvious weight and size advantage out of the equation, I think Mayweathers technically brilliant performance against JMM showed exactly what I mean when talking about levels. Along with Hopkins and Floyd, for me, JMM has always been in my eyes, one of the most intelligent fighters of the modern era. Marquez, (with the John fight open to debate), has always used his savvy to find the answers. And he has done it against the very best. Against Floyd, he looked out of his depth in the this regard, and was subsequently beaten like a ginger step-son. I really dont think there are many fighters out there that out-thinks JMM. Mayweather made it look easy in that regard.

Two great fighters, both in their prime. I'm not sure in my 25 years of following the game, if there has ever been a bigger fight than this. And as much as I respect everything that Manny stands for and brings to the table, I just cant see him winning this fight. When you talk about defining fights, I think this is the one that will really cement Floyd as one of the true, all time, pound for pound greats. Floyd by UD.

Just my 2 cents ........

Well said.
You should post more coz as much as I love Pac, you made me realize that this fight is 60-40 in favor of Mayweather.

Analyzing what you have just stated, I am convinced that PBF will have the advantage over Pac considering his speed (PBF is faster than Pac) and reach advantage.

Pac though has the advantages of power and his unnatural combos ( he hits awkwardly on all angles).

You deserve some reps.

edit: I am changing my vote. PBF by decision.