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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by zhubin View Post
    I find it absolutely hilarious how misinformed the general public is about performance enhancing drugs and the piss poor testing for them. Take for example the recent HGH controversy. If you do some research you would find out that HGH has been used by bodybuilders as far back as the 1970's!! Yet the news media sensationalizes it as if it was this new drug that came on the scene. The drugs are WAY AHEAD of the testing. Some of the new PEDS can only be detected through a MUSCLE BIOPSY!! Not urine...not blood....muscle biopsy (you can find plenty of articles on the web from reputable sources about this). Do you think any sports body will be doing radom biopsies for drugs anytime soon? Not to mention the myriad of other designer drugs that most people have no clue about...let alone test for. Would i be shocked if i found out Pac was on PEDS...not at all. Just as i wouldn't be shocked to see other boxers on them...as well as many other famous athletes. Performance enhancers are now a reality in modern sports. We all want to believe are favorite athletes are morally good...but the current climate justifiably raises a lot of suspicions.
    What a load of crap!

    Well... Mr expert on designer drugs educate us! Not with this hearsay opinionated crap that sounds like science fiction but with reality! Provide direct links and how to get the stuff. If I were to believe any of what you write here, there has to be a huge market for the stuff, someone has to make it, distribute it and show the user how to administer it. You can't just swallow it or inject it into your muscle without it being absorbed and put into waste by the body. This kind of miracle designer drug couldn't be made in the garage and would cost millions and millions in research to develop so either a huge drug company would have to be the one developing it or a would have to be on the Government’s dime. That means Olympics (country developed) or Military use and a lot more people would be aware of it if it was present, otherwise you're just fukn day dreaming.......

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Maybe Manny is on PEDs, we don't know. But Floyd is also on my suspicions list also. Both of them are small guys but go through weight classes like nothing while still being buff, ripped and still have their speed and every other attribute. And both of their heads are abnormally large now, just check them out when they were fighting at the smaller weight classes.




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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by zhubin View Post
    I find it absolutely hilarious how misinformed the general public is about performance enhancing drugs and the piss poor testing for them. Take for example the recent HGH controversy. If you do some research you would find out that HGH has been used by bodybuilders as far back as the 1970's!! Yet the news media sensationalizes it as if it was this new drug that came on the scene. The drugs are WAY AHEAD of the testing. Some of the new PEDS can only be detected through a MUSCLE BIOPSY!! Not urine...not blood....muscle biopsy (you can find plenty of articles on the web from reputable sources about this). Do you think any sports body will be doing radom biopsies for drugs anytime soon? Not to mention the myriad of other designer drugs that most people have no clue about...let alone test for. Would i be shocked if i found out Pac was on PEDS...not at all. Just as i wouldn't be shocked to see other boxers on them...as well as many other famous athletes. Performance enhancers are now a reality in modern sports. We all want to believe are favorite athletes are morally good...but the current climate justifiably raises a lot of suspicions.
    What a load of crap!

    Well... Mr expert on designer drugs educate us! Not with this hearsay opinionated crap that sounds like science fiction but with reality! Provide direct links and how to get the stuff. If I were to believe any of what you write here, there has to be a huge market for the stuff, someone has to make it, distribute it and show the user how to administer it. You can't just swallow it or inject it into your muscle without it being absorbed and put into waste by the body. This kind of miracle designer drug couldn't be made in the garage and would cost millions and millions in research to develop so either a huge drug company would have to be the one developing it or a would have to be on the Government’s dime. That means Olympics (country developed) or Military use and a lot more people would be aware of it if it was present, otherwise you're just fukn day dreaming.......
    Google is your friend

    performance enhancing drugs detected by muscle biopsy - Google Search

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by zhubin View Post
    I find it absolutely hilarious how misinformed the general public is about performance enhancing drugs and the piss poor testing for them. Take for example the recent HGH controversy. If you do some research you would find out that HGH has been used by bodybuilders as far back as the 1970's!! Yet the news media sensationalizes it as if it was this new drug that came on the scene. The drugs are WAY AHEAD of the testing. Some of the new PEDS can only be detected through a MUSCLE BIOPSY!! Not urine...not blood....muscle biopsy (you can find plenty of articles on the web from reputable sources about this). Do you think any sports body will be doing radom biopsies for drugs anytime soon? Not to mention the myriad of other designer drugs that most people have no clue about...let alone test for. Would i be shocked if i found out Pac was on PEDS...not at all. Just as i wouldn't be shocked to see other boxers on them...as well as many other famous athletes. Performance enhancers are now a reality in modern sports. We all want to believe are favorite athletes are morally good...but the current climate justifiably raises a lot of suspicions.
    What a load of crap!

    Well... Mr expert on designer drugs educate us! Not with this hearsay opinionated crap that sounds like science fiction but with reality! Provide direct links and how to get the stuff. If I were to believe any of what you write here, there has to be a huge market for the stuff, someone has to make it, distribute it and show the user how to administer it. You can't just swallow it or inject it into your muscle without it being absorbed and put into waste by the body. This kind of miracle designer drug couldn't be made in the garage and would cost millions and millions in research to develop so either a huge drug company would have to be the one developing it or a would have to be on the Government’s dime. That means Olympics (country developed) or Military use and a lot more people would be aware of it if it was present, otherwise you're just fukn day dreaming.......
    Google is your friend

    performance enhancing drugs detected by muscle biopsy - Google Search

    Thank you! There is so much info out there about PEDS...i just didn't feel the need to spoon feed some of you knowing how easy it is to do research online. If some of you want to keep your heads stuck in the sand...that is fine. You can be naive as you want...but it's a reality. Plus, many of these drug weren't originally "designed" for sports enhancement. For example...HGH was originally (and still) used to clinically treat children's growth disorders and adult growth hormone deficiency. As far as how athletes learn to use them and get them...there are plenty of doctor's and health professionals who are on their payroll. There are so many cases where a doctor has gotten busted for providing PED's to athletes. Fan Johnny thinks it's "science fiction"....no, it's called big business. Pharma companies peddle drugs to the general population everyday...making billions. Sports are huge business. There will always be athletes who want to get the extra edge and will use drugs to get it. Does that mean ALL athletes are doping...of course not. But it's very likely that many are. And the pathetic current drug testing procedures will do nothing to stop it.
    Last edited by zhubin; 12-17-2009 at 05:12 PM.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    I hope this "Olympic Style Testing" will include all tests plus the muscle biopsy, which can pretty much be done in fifteen minutes. Then we can all STFU about this tired sports subject. I don't give a f**k if Manny or Floyd are on anything. I think some of my favorite athletes could be on something. Like Lebron James or Dwight Howard. But then again maybe it's just me being jealous of their gifts and what they have is natural. Either way I'm still gonna watch the hell out of Cavs vs Lakers or Celtics vs Magic, just like I'll watch the hell out of Pac Floyd, clean or not. So whatever on this sh*t already. Anyone wanna test Roger and Floyd Sr? Actin' pretty cracky to me. They'd fit right in on an episode of "The Wire."

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Pacquiao is on BALUT.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    He's on BALUT and a dash of salt...plus lumpia, panset palabok, sinigang and halo halo. And Tanduay, the real HGH homie. That's what's up.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft View Post
    Pacquiao is on BALUT.
    I heard Germen Shepard.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Ya, so keep your dog on a leash if your so concerned. Especially if that bitch got meat

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by AirJordanIV View Post
    I hope this "Olympic Style Testing" will include all tests plus the muscle biopsy, which can pretty much be done in fifteen minutes. Then we can all STFU about this tired sports subject. I don't give a f**k if Manny or Floyd are on anything. I think some of my favorite athletes could be on something. Like Lebron James or Dwight Howard. But then again maybe it's just me being jealous of their gifts and what they have is natural. Either way I'm still gonna watch the hell out of Cavs vs Lakers or Celtics vs Magic, just like I'll watch the hell out of Pac Floyd, clean or not. So whatever on this sh*t already. Anyone wanna test Roger and Floyd Sr? Actin' pretty cracky to me. They'd fit right in on an episode of "The Wire."
    no athlete is going to agree to a muscle biopsy period

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by zhubin View Post
    I find it absolutely hilarious how misinformed the general public is about performance enhancing drugs and the piss poor testing for them. Take for example the recent HGH controversy. If you do some research you would find out that HGH has been used by bodybuilders as far back as the 1970's!! Yet the news media sensationalizes it as if it was this new drug that came on the scene. The drugs are WAY AHEAD of the testing. Some of the new PEDS can only be detected through a MUSCLE BIOPSY!! Not urine...not blood....muscle biopsy (you can find plenty of articles on the web from reputable sources about this). Do you think any sports body will be doing radom biopsies for drugs anytime soon? Not to mention the myriad of other designer drugs that most people have no clue about...let alone test for. Would i be shocked if i found out Pac was on PEDS...not at all. Just as i wouldn't be shocked to see other boxers on them...as well as many other famous athletes. Performance enhancers are now a reality in modern sports. We all want to believe are favorite athletes are morally good...but the current climate justifiably raises a lot of suspicions.
    What a load of crap!

    Well... Mr expert on designer drugs educate us! Not with this hearsay opinionated crap that sounds like science fiction but with reality! Provide direct links and how to get the stuff. If I were to believe any of what you write here, there has to be a huge market for the stuff, someone has to make it, distribute it and show the user how to administer it. You can't just swallow it or inject it into your muscle without it being absorbed and put into waste by the body. This kind of miracle designer drug couldn't be made in the garage and would cost millions and millions in research to develop so either a huge drug company would have to be the one developing it or a would have to be on the Government’s dime. That means Olympics (country developed) or Military use and a lot more people would be aware of it if it was present, otherwise you're just fukn day dreaming.......

    he is right, IGF supposedly cant be detected via blood test

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Many People are jealous what Manny Pacquiao Achieved in the sports. Just like the other boxer did. They going up to weight class to another weight class to another weigh class.

    Example of other boxers who go up from weigh class to weigh class:

    Manny Pacquiao - 106-145lbs
    Sugar Ray Robinson - 135-160 lbs
    Henry Armstrong - 120-147 lbs
    Roberto Duran - 120-170 lbs

    Don't tell me that this legends are on steroids too? If yes you dummy ! You need to see a doctor. If your really a boxing fan please do your research.

    Again people who accusing someone without the proper evidence is called crab mentality.
    Last edited by Intazzz; 12-17-2009 at 04:38 PM.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    i love how you put pac as going up to 145 haha, the new division for pac ..

    its not to do with the weight anyway, as stated above steroids dont have the ability to make u big if you dont train to become big.... i dont believe pacquaio is doing so, however your examples give good examples of fighters who when going up in weight have slowed down or lost a bit of power along the way, hasnt happened to pacquaio... this is what raises suspicion

    i notice you didnt put roy jones down as one of those fighters though .... oh we know that wouldnt help your argument

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by hitmanhatton View Post
    i love how you put pac as going up to 145 haha, the new division for pac ..

    its not to do with the weight anyway, as stated above steroids dont have the ability to make u big if you dont train to become big.... i dont believe pacquaio is doing so, however your examples give good examples of fighters who when going up in weight have slowed down or lost a bit of power along the way, hasnt happened to pacquaio... this is what raises suspicion

    i notice you didnt put roy jones down as one of those fighters though .... oh we know that wouldnt help your argument

    I put 145lbs because Pacquiao never reach 147 yet on weigh in. He is not a welterweight but his natural weight is 150lbs "VERY HEALTHY". This means Pacquiao is very deadly at 150lbs because he never diet but still maintaining his body and speed at that weight. Again. Please remember that pac start his career at 106lbs at 16 yrs old and his a very very poor guy back then in a third world country. People in the philippines don't eat 3 times a day and sometimes they only eat noodles once a day just to survive for hunger. Pacquiao become rich when he fought Marco Antonio Barrera. This is the only time he can eat whatever he wants and have the proper nutrition. Even if Pacquiao body is malnourished in the past he has the power and speed back then and knocking out people older than him. His knocking out professional boxer over 21 and above even his under age.

    PHILIPPINES Hunger growing as 40 per cent of Filipinos lack of food - Asia News

    Anyway Roy Jones is a good example also. He fought from 154 "Middleweight" to 194+ lbs "World heavyweight title . Don't tell me Roy Jones using steroid too.
    Last edited by Intazzz; 12-17-2009 at 07:09 PM.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Intazzz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hitmanhatton View Post
    i love how you put pac as going up to 145 haha, the new division for pac ..

    its not to do with the weight anyway, as stated above steroids dont have the ability to make u big if you dont train to become big.... i dont believe pacquaio is doing so, however your examples give good examples of fighters who when going up in weight have slowed down or lost a bit of power along the way, hasnt happened to pacquaio... this is what raises suspicion

    i notice you didnt put roy jones down as one of those fighters though .... oh we know that wouldnt help your argument

    I put 145lbs because Pacquiao never reach 147 yet. He is not a welterweight. He is more on Lightweight or Featherweight. Again. Please remember that pac start his career at 106lbs at 16 yrs old and his a very very poor guy back then in a third world country. People in the philippines don't eat 3 times a day and sometimes they only eat noodles once a day just to survive for hunger. Pacquiao become rich when he fought Marco Antonio Barrera. This is the only time he can eat whatever he wants and have the proper nutrition.

    PHILIPPINES Hunger growing as 40 per cent of Filipinos lack of food - Asia News

    why do people constantly come out with this stat... floyd was fighting at 106 at 16, hell i was about that at 16, im 165 at 20 and still quite skinny.... my point being your weight at 16 years old means jack .. it doesnt improve his accomplishments as much as youd like it to be the case

    and your wrong... im pretty sure the dlh fight was at 147 lb... if were talking actual weigh in weights then its 144

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