Welcome back Kelly Pavlik

[Greig]

I like Kelly Pavlik, but his last two opponents have been shite, and in between those he contracted a nasty infection.

The trouble with Pavlik is that he is one dimensional. What he does, he does very well (jab,jab,right hand) but he's always going to struggle against a really good mover. Lets put it this way, if he was taking the shots he was taking last night against a real middleweight he would have been flat on his back. The bloke was cannon fodder.

Yep, Pavlik needs Williams right now there are no two ways about it. Because there is nothing out there for him at the minute.

He needs an opponent, because the man is wasting what should be the best earning years of his life here.

[Rantcatrat]

Pavlik did what he had to do on Saturday night. I think Pavlik intentionally let it be more exciting than it needed to be so that he could knock him out fast, which he did. No one doubted Pavlik wasn't among the better middleweights.

I find it hard to believe that Pavlik ducked Williams. I see the facts, but prior to the Williams debacle, Pavlik took on all comers even when it required him going up ten pounds in weight to fight a top five p4p guy in Hopkins. He fought Jermain when Jermain had beat Hopkins and Miranda after he broke Abraham's jaw in two places. Why would he duck Williams - a guy who jumped up from welterweight? Then again, I too can read the facts and the whole situation clearly looked suspect - though Pavlik's explanation makes sense. After putting off the Williams fight, he wanted to wait until February to fight again, but the sanctioning bodies threatened to strip him of his belts if he didn't face a mandatory. Thus, the Espino fight. Espino was a weak mandatory but that is a different subject.

Other than a fight with Williams, a fight with Felix Sturm makes sense. Both are top five middleweights on anyone's list and the fight would be an unifying fight. Fighting Sturm in Germany is big money too.

[HattonTheHammer]

good to see kelly back to beating up ordinary fighters

He`s learnt his lesson from hopkins. Stay well clear of williams/martinez

[Rantcatrat]

good to see kelly back to beating up ordinary fighters

He`s learnt his lesson from hopkins. Stay well clear of williams/martinez

This is a surprising post! I never would have expected it from Hattonthehammer what with all the praise you usually give Pavlik. Are you still bitter Pavlik sent your countryman Gary Locket into retirement?

[HattonTheHammer]

[quote=Rantcatrat;827370]

good to see kelly back to beating up ordinary fighters

He`s learnt his lesson from hopkins. Stay well clear of williams/martinez

This is a surprising post! I never would have expected it from Hattonthehammer what with all the praise you usually give Pavlik. Are you still bitter Pavlik sent your countryman Gary Locket into retirement?[/quote]

[ElTerribleMorales]

good to see kelly back to beating up ordinary fighters

He`s learnt his lesson from hopkins. Stay well clear of williams/martinez

just saw the fight today and...

Pavlik beats Froch FACT

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

good to see kelly back to beating up ordinary fighters

He`s learnt his lesson from hopkins. Stay well clear of williams/martinez

Agreed. I think both beat Pavlik IMO

[El Kabong]

Pavlik is a punk....I'm sorry, I used to like the dude but the way he has handled himself since losing to Hopkins is horrible.

[rosco]

Great to see Pavlik back on track..Pavlik and Williams will go ahead next year and I can,t see Pavlik losing to Williams

[El Kabong]

Great to see Pavlik back on track..Pavlik and Williams will go ahead next year and I can,t see Pavlik losing to Williams

...yeah it's really hard to picture it when Kelly won't even fight the guy

[Rantcatrat]

Great to see Pavlik back on track..Pavlik and Williams will go ahead next year and I can,t see Pavlik losing to Williams

...yeah it's really hard to picture it when Kelly won't even fight the guy

What opponent would you give Kelly credit for fighting next year? Paul, Sergio, Sturm..?

How can you call Kelly a punk when he fought Miranda who broke AA's jaw in two places in the fight before the one with Pavlik, JT who had beat the great Bhop, JT again, and then Bhop. That doesn't look like a punk's resume to me. What makes Paul Williams any more fear-inspiring than those guys?

Pavlik had a crappy 2009. No doubt about it. I'm willing to give him one more chance. If his next opponent is trash, I'll happily concede you are right.

[El Kabong]

I call him a punk because he had been on the right track fighting threats and then he (like Sturm and Abraham before the super6) just started fighting bums....Lockett, Epsino who the fuck are they

Kelly got his ass whupped 1 time and he's been sulking about it ever since then....I think mentally he's shot, we've seen it before where a fighter loses once and they can't cope with it so they continue to look poor and lose fights....well Kelly is now on that path.

I think Williams could beat Kelly but I KNOW Martinez would

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I call him a punk because he had been on the right track fighting threats and then he (like Sturm and Abraham before the super6) just started fighting bums....Lockett, Epsino who the fuck are they

Kelly got his ass whupped 1 time and he's been sulking about it ever since then....I think mentally he's shot, we've seen it before where a fighter loses once and they can't cope with it so they continue to look poor and lose fights....well Kelly is now on that path.

I think Williams could beat Kelly but I KNOW Martinez would

I agree with this post. I atempt to not be too hard on fighters sometimes coming off a loss but it's the way this one went down that bothered me... I mean, you look at guys like Cotto who has been fighting the best for years now even after he suffered setbacks... This whole fighting a hump 2 weeks after an original fightdate is bullshit. I think he was injured... I think the staff infection worsened it... I know he had multiple surgeries... But 14 days fixed all that? Sorry, I don't buy it. I think Kelly knew he wasn't 100% and decided to frustrate Williams with dates until he said, "fuck it!" I don't blame him... and instead we got a classic with 2 guys that WANT TO FIGHT THE BEST ALL THE TIME. Hell, I don't think ANYONE wants to fight either Martinez OR Williams after that hellacious affair!

Williams did the right thing in looking elsewhere and I commend him for it... And Martinez far taking on such a task. My hat off to both! They gave the fans what they wanted...

Pavlik gave the fans a shitty PPV beating up a guy who lost to Manfredo 3 years ago... Well done, Kelly.

[Diane]

I call him a punk because he had been on the right track fighting threats and then he (like Sturm and Abraham before the super6) just started fighting bums....Lockett, Epsino who the fuck are they

Kelly got his ass whupped 1 time and he's been sulking about it ever since then....I think mentally he's shot, we've seen it before where a fighter loses once and they can't cope with it so they continue to look poor and lose fights....well Kelly is now on that path.

I think Williams could beat Kelly but I KNOW Martinez would

I agree, I think Martinez would beat Pavlik, and we may get the chance to see it, because I heard that there are already talks for the fight to happen in April. I guess HBO is pushing for it, because I think that they know that a fight between Pavlik and Williams will probably never happen. Williams wants 50% of the purse, because of everything that has happened, and no way will Pavlik and Top Rank agree to that. Plus, it's pretty obvious that HBO has taken to Martinez, and want to get him some more fights on their network.

I used to be a big fan of Pavlik, especially since he's a local guy, but I lost pretty much all my respect for him by how extremely unprofessional he was during this past year. Of course for me personally, the issue at the top of my list is the way he bitched out of the SIGNED contract he had with Sergio Mora.