Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...

[gest12645]

ok, these are rumours, the fight will happen, damn , these guys will get over 40 mill each,

[rjj tszyu]

Is it me or does Pacquiao seem to be trying to get out of this fight?? 1st of all he asks for $10 million for every lbs Floyd is over 147 (which will be none) and now he is refusing the drugs test?? Maybe he is on steroids after all during training, my trainer tells me that nandrolone can be flushed out of your system in 24 hours so the only way to catch someone on that would be under an olympic style testing system and testing just before and after the fight would be worthless!

[Conrad]

All of this just really pisses me off.

I'm pissed at PBF for demanding extra testing. He's only doing it to create a slur on Pac and unsettle him. The man's a fucking coward.

I'm also pissed at Pac for not agreeing to the test and shoving the results down Floyds throat. The only way out for Pac is to now agree to the tests otherwise question marks will always remain over how he managed to move up so easily.

I've had my damn credit card at the ready for nearly a month now waiting for this to be announced so I can book my flight.

Here's Arum's take on it all:

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Promoter Bob Arum: Mayweather-Pacquiao off; 'Floyd never really wanted the fight'

By David Mayo | The Grand Rapids Press

December 23, 2009, 1:45AM

AP File PhotoBob Arum, left, says he and Manny Pacquiao are "going in a different direction."The proposed Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao fight is off because Mayweather’s camp refused to relent on drug tests via blood rather than urine sampling, promoter Bob Arum said Tuesday night in an exclusive interview with The Press.

Arum said Pacquiao agreed to blood testing before the pre-fight press conference -- typically conducted months before a major fight -- and after the proposed March 13 bout, as well as random urine sampling at any time.

But when Mayweather’s camp insisted on random, Olympic-style blood samples, Pacquiao abandoned plans for the richest fight in history, Arum said.

“We’re going in a different direction,” Arum said. “What I believe is that Floyd never really wanted the fight and this is just harassment of Pacquiao.

“We appeased Mayweather by agreeing to a urine analysis at any time, and blood testing before the press conference and after the fight. Mayweather pressed for blood testing even up to the weigh-in. He knew that Manny gets freaked out when his blood gets taken, and feels that it weakens him. This is just harassment and, to me, just signaled that he didn’t want the fight.”

Arum worked on the negotiations until two weeks ago.

At that point, the CEO of Top Rank Inc. withdrew, and handed over negotiations to the company president and his stepson, Todd duBoef, after the Mayweather camp refused to consider fighting in Dallas.

Two days later, Dec. 12, Mayweather’s adviser, Leonard Ellerbe, disclosed the demand for random, Olympic-style drug testing conducted by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

“This doesn’t bother me because Bob Arum was the smart one,” Arum said. “He pulled away from this negotiation how many weeks ago? Three weeks ago? I knew what was up. I’m not a fool. Then when Schaefer said he wasn’t going to Texas, and so forth, I knew the fight wasn’t going to happen. But I could be wrong and that’s why Todd made a college try.”

Arum said the Mayweather camp’s insistence on blood testing, rather than urine testing, merely was a way to get out of the fight.

“Floyd, to me, is a coward and he’s always been a coward,” Arum said. “Not a physical coward, but a coward because he’s afraid to face somebody who could beat him. And believe me, Manny Pacquiao could beat him. So he’ll go his way, we’ll go our way, and that’ll be fine.

“Manny Pacquiao doesn’t know anything about drugs. This is just typical nastiness by wise guys like (adviser Leonard) Ellerbe and Mayweather. They’re just wise guys. I don’t think Schaefer’s to blame. I think he got sucked in by it.”

Arum said when he learned of the demand for random blood tests, he immediately rejected it.

“Nevada has stringent drug testing, right before the fight and after the fight,” he said. “This is all a bunch of hooey and nonsense. The kind of testing we agreed to was designed, 100 percent, to detect everything.

“Remember, 40 years of fights in Las Vegas and nothing like this has ever come up. If you want more stringent testing, sure, as long as it doesn’t inconvenience and psychologically affect Pacquiao, sure, who cares? They could analyze urine from today until tomorrow, it wouldn’t affect anything. It’s the blood testing close to the fight, while he’s in training, that’s unnecessary. And everybody who knows anything about drug testing will tell you it’s unnecessary.”

Arum said HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg tried to intervene on the testing issue Tuesday, to no avail.

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He said he would pursue other possible opponents for Pacquiao, including Yuri Foreman, Paulie Malignaggi, or a third fight with Juan Manuel Marquez.

Malignaggi would be an interesting choice, if only because he has made clear his own suspicions about Pacquiao using performance-enhancing drugs.

Arum said he knows sports fans would be disappointed at the potential disintegration of what could have been the richest fight in history, and the most anticipated fight in decades.

“Sure they’ll be disappointed,” he said. “But they’ve got to understand what’s up. We’re not going to keep appeasing this guy, for no damn reason, especially over something that would affect, psychologically, my fighter. We’re not going to be pushed around by this guy. We’re not going to do it.”

[hitmanhatton]

Is it me or does Pacquiao seem to be trying to get out of this fight?? 1st of all he asks for $10 million for every lbs Floyd is over 147 (which will be none) and now he is refusing the drugs test?? Maybe he is on steroids after all during training, my trainer tells me that nandrolone can be flushed out of your system in 24 hours so the only way to catch someone on that would be under an olympic style testing system and testing just before and after the fight would be worthless!

is nandrolone that easy to hide, i remember a few footballers getting caught on it, edgar davids being one... they argued it was naturally produced by their bodies which is true but only in tiny quantitys in the majority of healthy adults

[rjj tszyu]

Is it me or does Pacquiao seem to be trying to get out of this fight?? 1st of all he asks for $10 million for every lbs Floyd is over 147 (which will be none) and now he is refusing the drugs test?? Maybe he is on steroids after all during training, my trainer tells me that nandrolone can be flushed out of your system in 24 hours so the only way to catch someone on that would be under an olympic style testing system and testing just before and after the fight would be worthless!

is nandrolone that easy to hide, i remember a few footballers getting caught on it, edgar davids being one... they argued it was naturally produced by their bodies which is true but only in tiny quantitys in the majority of healthy adults

You right, I was given poor info (i'll have to slap him about now lol). It seems from the websites I have been on to take approx 21 days to be removed completely from the body. Sorry for the false info.

[hitmanhatton]

Is it me or does Pacquiao seem to be trying to get out of this fight?? 1st of all he asks for $10 million for every lbs Floyd is over 147 (which will be none) and now he is refusing the drugs test?? Maybe he is on steroids after all during training, my trainer tells me that nandrolone can be flushed out of your system in 24 hours so the only way to catch someone on that would be under an olympic style testing system and testing just before and after the fight would be worthless!

is nandrolone that easy to hide, i remember a few footballers getting caught on it, edgar davids being one... they argued it was naturally produced by their bodies which is true but only in tiny quantitys in the majority of healthy adults

You right, I was given poor info (i'll have to slap him about now lol). It seems from the websites I have been on to take approx 21 days to be removed completely from the body. Sorry for the false info.

no worries, that shows one of the problems with any alegations regarding PED's .. there is so much contrasting info around and you have people believe that any steroid is a one way ticket to being the size of the hulk .... which just isnt the case

[cnote111]

To expect any fighter to succumb to bloodtesting multiple times during the middle of their training and the night before or the night of the fight is ludicris. No fighter in the history of the sport has ever had to take random blood tests in the middle of their training or right before the fight... Why should Floyd be allowed to make such a rediculous request. I know for a fact i am quite sluggish after getting blood tested. So I guess Floyd is bigger then the History of the sport... Seriously?

[killersheep]

To expect any fighter to succumb to bloodtesting multiple times during the middle of their training and the night before or the night of the fight is ludicris. No fighter in the history of the sport has ever had to take random blood tests in the middle of their training or right before the fight... Why should Floyd be allowed to make such a rediculous request. I know for a fact i am quite sluggish after getting blood tested. So I guess Floyd is bigger then the History of the sport... Seriously?

Floyd himself will be subjected to the exact same testing, so what's the problem?

Is it that ridiculous that professional athletes should have to take a full drug screen?

[hitmanhatton]

To expect any fighter to succumb to bloodtesting multiple times during the middle of their training and the night before or the night of the fight is ludicris. No fighter in the history of the sport has ever had to take random blood tests in the middle of their training or right before the fight... Why should Floyd be allowed to make such a rediculous request. I know for a fact i am quite sluggish after getting blood tested. So I guess Floyd is bigger then the History of the sport... Seriously?

im pretty sure floyd be subject to the same tests so this is no excuse

plus most other sports have these random tests... why shouldnt boxing

[Gandalf]

To expect any fighter to succumb to bloodtesting multiple times during the middle of their training and the night before or the night of the fight is ludicris. No fighter in the history of the sport has ever had to take random blood tests in the middle of their training or right before the fight... Why should Floyd be allowed to make such a rediculous request. I know for a fact i am quite sluggish after getting blood tested. So I guess Floyd is bigger then the History of the sport... Seriously?

im pretty sure floyd be subject to the same tests so this is no excuse

I agree with your sentiments and those of KS above. There is nothing ludicrous about wanting an opponent checked out thoroughly. This is a sport where brains get bashed about, it is far more serious than other sports. If a full check is wanted then it must be adhered to. If both men are doing it then neither is placed at a disadvantage.

[cnote111]

To expect any fighter to succumb to bloodtesting multiple times during the middle of their training and the night before or the night of the fight is ludicris. No fighter in the history of the sport has ever had to take random blood tests in the middle of their training or right before the fight... Why should Floyd be allowed to make such a rediculous request. I know for a fact i am quite sluggish after getting blood tested. So I guess Floyd is bigger then the History of the sport... Seriously?

im pretty sure floyd be subject to the same tests so this is no excuse

I agree with your sentiments and those of KS above. There is nothing ludicrous about wanting an opponent checked out thoroughly. This is a sport where brains get bashed about, it is far more serious than other sports. If a full check is wanted then it must be adhered to. If both men are doing it then neither is placed at a disadvantage.

I understand what you are saying Miles, but how can this be the first fight in the history of the sport to be subjected to this type of testing... Are we now saying the current drug screening is not suitable and we now have to take blood tests in the middle of your training and the night of the fight? If that is done for this fight, why not every single professional fight in the world Are they any less important

[cnote111]

So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.

This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?

This is so stupid..

[killersheep]

So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.

This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?

This is so stupid..

You cannot be reasoned with.

We are going to be denied the defining fight of our generation because PAC won't take a drug test.

[cnote111]

So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.

This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?

This is so stupid..

You cannot be reasoned with.

We are going to be denied the defining fight of our generation because PAC won't take a drug test.

By anyone not being convince on their position does not mean they can't be reasoned with.. There is a level of agreeing to disagree... I could say the same about anyone feeling this type of testing is acceptible, but yet it has never been done before...

[hitmanhatton]

So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.

This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?

This is so stupid..

first of all how does floyd know that pac is even affected by a test... how do you ?

and it is his responsibility to prevent damage to himself and his career if he is fighting a 'potential' drugs cheat