Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...

[DaxxKahn]

The same commission that let Margarito all but get away with loading his gloves? Mayweather gives a very fair explination why he believes they should both take further testing, and its not an unfair request. Especially given the amount of athletes who have been caught taking steroids. I don't see how this is Mayweather gaining an edge, and I doubt that Manny takes steroids.

I don't think he is either and considering how things have gone over the years I can somewhat understand the request but this request is coming from a guy that gives no guarentees he will make weight nor is he willing to succumb to a severe penelty for not doing so...What does that say about Floyd?

That is why I said if one gives in then so should the other...Manny should not have to test just because Floyd wants him to, and like I said if it happens then it will open the doors for other fighters to make such demands....

They make such test before and after fights for illegal substances.....That should be good enough anything else is a demand on the opponents behalf so if Manny gives in so should Floyd on the weight penelty..

I do think the commissions drop the ball often considering the example you used with Margarito...I have said openly several times that it is a crime that Richardson found the substance not the official....

As for Floyd agreeing to the test sure he will because he will be able to step in with a 20 plus pound weight advantage by not agreeing to make weight so explain to me how that is not just as much the advantage as the use of steroids? Though I condone neither......In fact that is justr as bad if not worse because he is using it as a mental advantage as well a physical one....

Why the hell can't there ever be a fight that just goes off without this bullshit? Just train, step in the ring fight your best and the better man of the evening wins......

I guess that fad wore off in the 70's

How the hell woudl Mayweather enjoy a 20 pound weigh advantage? When has Mayweather ever put on even 7+ pounds between a weigh and the fight? Not even when he was at 130 did he add that much weight from the weigh in to the fight. Mayweather has never been recorded gaining more than 3 pounds between weigh-in and the pre fight weigh-in, and that was against Baldomir. Mayweather came in at 146 with absolutely no problems against Juan Manuel Marquez, why would anyone think he wouldn't make the welterweight limit? Mayweather maybe weighed 4-6 pounds more than Marquez, but not anywhere near to 20 pounds. The only difference in their size was his height which was an inch or two.

It was an exaggeration and I don't think I ever mentioned the Marquez fight....Then why should Manny take Floyds requested drug test but Floyd not agree to the penelty on the overweight limit?

It is OK for Floyd not to weigh in correctly but not OK for Manny to deny Floyds demanded test?

That is fair how?

[killersheep]

I don't think he is either and considering how things have gone over the years I can somewhat understand the request but this request is coming from a guy that gives no guarentees he will make weight nor is he willing to succumb to a severe penelty for not doing so...What does that say about Floyd?

That is why I said if one gives in then so should the other...Manny should not have to test just because Floyd wants him to, and like I said if it happens then it will open the doors for other fighters to make such demands....

They make such test before and after fights for illegal substances.....That should be good enough anything else is a demand on the opponents behalf so if Manny gives in so should Floyd on the weight penelty..

I do think the commissions drop the ball often considering the example you used with Margarito...I have said openly several times that it is a crime that Richardson found the substance not the official....

As for Floyd agreeing to the test sure he will because he will be able to step in with a 20 plus pound weight advantage by not agreeing to make weight so explain to me how that is not just as much the advantage as the use of steroids? Though I condone neither......In fact that is justr as bad if not worse because he is using it as a mental advantage as well a physical one....

Why the hell can't there ever be a fight that just goes off without this bullshit? Just train, step in the ring fight your best and the better man of the evening wins......

I guess that fad wore off in the 70's

How the hell woudl Mayweather enjoy a 20 pound weigh advantage? When has Mayweather ever put on even 7+ pounds between a weigh and the fight? Not even when he was at 130 did he add that much weight from the weigh in to the fight. Mayweather has never been recorded gaining more than 3 pounds between weigh-in and the pre fight weigh-in, and that was against Baldomir. Mayweather came in at 146 with absolutely no problems against Juan Manuel Marquez, why would anyone think he wouldn't make the welterweight limit? Mayweather maybe weighed 4-6 pounds more than Marquez, but not anywhere near to 20 pounds. The only difference in their size was his height which was an inch or two.

It was an exaggeration and I don't think I ever mentioned the Marquez fight....Then why should Manny take Floyds requested drug test but Floyd not agree to the penelty on the overweight limit?

It is OK for Floyd not to weigh in correctly but not OK for Manny to deny Floyds demanded test?

That is fair how?

Well according to the article.

"Schaefer said that all terms -- including the site (MGM Grand in Las Vegas) and an unprecedented $10 million-per-pound penalty if either fighter comes in over the 147-pound limit -- had been agreed to by both sides."

So if we assume that this is true and Floyd agreed to the missing weight penalty, I don't think a drug screen is too out of order.

[Greig]

Sorry, but it's hard not to think that Floyd is being a bit of a dickhead here.
The NSAC's drug testing procedures have been fine for him in everyone of his fights in Vegas so far, but now all of a sudden he's demanding extended testing?? Nevada has the most stringent drug testing procedures in the country, yet they are not good enough for the Mayweathers.


Smells to me like the man is scared of something.


Whether he agrees to them or not, first blood to Pacman. Mayweather is blinking before the contract is even signed.

And before anybody says that Pac is scared because of the weight clause, is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to be on weight?

But is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to subject himself to drug testing procedures that he's never had to before, by an organisation that have proven unreliable in the past?

[killersheep]

Sorry, but it's hard not to think that Floyd is being a bit of a dickhead here.
The NSAC's drug testing procedures have been fine for him in everyone of his fights in Vegas so far, but now all of a sudden he's demanding extended testing?? Nevada has the most stringent drug testing procedures in the country, yet they are not good enough for the Mayweathers.


Smells to me like the man is scared of something.


Whether he agrees to them or not, first blood to Pacman. Mayweather is blinking before the contract is even signed.

And before anybody says that Pac is scared because of the weight clause, is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to be on weight?

But is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to subject himself to drug testing procedures that he's never had to before, by an organisation that have proven unreliable in the past?

I have to side with Mayweather here. I mean what is the loss to Pacquiao if he subjects himself to the test? Is he going to be extra fatigued for the fight or what?

Make no mistake about it, this is THE defining fight of our generation it's the best offense against the best defense. Two fighters in their prime p4p #1 against the former p4p #1.

There is good cause to take extra steps to make sure the playing field is level. I know it's cool and common to hate on Mayweather, but he is not being unreasonable on this point.

[generalbulldog]

Oops guess I'm wrong. Pacquiao will go through the blood test, just not during training camp, but before the press conference and after the fight he would do the test.

He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight."

Blood-testing flap could nix Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather fight - Chris Mannix - SI.com
That's from the link I posted on the previous page and it also mentions that in the first article on the 1st page. I guess it's not a problem for Pacquiao but when it's done that is the problem.

[jerome01]

Sorry, but it's hard not to think that Floyd is being a bit of a dickhead here.
The NSAC's drug testing procedures have been fine for him in everyone of his fights in Vegas so far, but now all of a sudden he's demanding extended testing?? Nevada has the most stringent drug testing procedures in the country, yet they are not good enough for the Mayweathers.


Smells to me like the man is scared of something.


Whether he agrees to them or not, first blood to Pacman. Mayweather is blinking before the contract is even signed.

And before anybody says that Pac is scared because of the weight clause, is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to be on weight?

But is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to subject himself to drug testing procedures that he's never had to before, by an organisation that have proven unreliable in the past?

I have to side with Mayweather here. I mean what is the loss to Pacquiao if he subjects himself to the test? Is he going to be extra fatigued for the fight or what?

Make no mistake about it, this is THE defining fight of our generation it's the best offense against the best defense. Two fighters in their prime p4p #1 against the former p4p #1.

There is good cause to take extra steps to make sure the playing field is level. I know it's cool and common to hate on Mayweather, but he is not being unreasonable on this point.

I'll side with Manny over this one. Manny has already agreed for the drug testing before the initial press conference and after the fight. If there are drugs in his system it would not magically disappear after the fight date itself.

Manny does have a phobia of needles. Any one of us here that does have a phobia would not be happy if you are force to do something that you don't want to do. The olympic style testing will subject you to a random blood test of 3-5 times and 11 urine test. So if you have a phobia with needles you would always be worried when would the next blood test will occur and it would affect you mentally as you prepare for the fight.

Again, Manny agreed on 2 blood test. Before the initial press conference and after the fight itself. Isn't this good enough? Surely if there are drugs in his system it would be found by the blood sample he will submit after the fight.

[killersheep]

Sorry, but it's hard not to think that Floyd is being a bit of a dickhead here.
The NSAC's drug testing procedures have been fine for him in everyone of his fights in Vegas so far, but now all of a sudden he's demanding extended testing?? Nevada has the most stringent drug testing procedures in the country, yet they are not good enough for the Mayweathers.


Smells to me like the man is scared of something.


Whether he agrees to them or not, first blood to Pacman. Mayweather is blinking before the contract is even signed.

And before anybody says that Pac is scared because of the weight clause, is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to be on weight?

But is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to subject himself to drug testing procedures that he's never had to before, by an organisation that have proven unreliable in the past?

I have to side with Mayweather here. I mean what is the loss to Pacquiao if he subjects himself to the test? Is he going to be extra fatigued for the fight or what?

Make no mistake about it, this is THE defining fight of our generation it's the best offense against the best defense. Two fighters in their prime p4p #1 against the former p4p #1.

There is good cause to take extra steps to make sure the playing field is level. I know it's cool and common to hate on Mayweather, but he is not being unreasonable on this point.

I'll side with Manny over this one. Manny has already agreed for the drug testing before the initial press conference and after the fight. If there are drugs in his system it would not magically disappear after the fight date itself.

Manny does have a phobia of needles. Any one of us here that does have a phobia would not be happy if you are force to do something that you don't want to do. The olympic style testing will subject you to a random blood test of 3-5 times and 11 urine test. So if you have a phobia with needles you would always be worried when would the next blood test will occur and it would affect you mentally as you prepare for the fight.

Again, Manny agreed on 2 blood test. Before the initial press conference and after the fight itself. Isn't this good enough? Surely if there are drugs in his system it would be found by the blood sample he will submit after the fight.

What's the difference in time then? As for others phobias of needles surely they would overcome that for 40 million dollars.

[JazMerkin]

If Manny has a phobia of needles, one he can't get over for $25m, how the fuck did he manage to get all those tattoos??

[jerome01]

I have to side with Mayweather here. I mean what is the loss to Pacquiao if he subjects himself to the test? Is he going to be extra fatigued for the fight or what?

Make no mistake about it, this is THE defining fight of our generation it's the best offense against the best defense. Two fighters in their prime p4p #1 against the former p4p #1.

There is good cause to take extra steps to make sure the playing field is level. I know it's cool and common to hate on Mayweather, but he is not being unreasonable on this point.

I'll side with Manny over this one. Manny has already agreed for the drug testing before the initial press conference and after the fight. If there are drugs in his system it would not magically disappear after the fight date itself.

Manny does have a phobia of needles. Any one of us here that does have a phobia would not be happy if you are force to do something that you don't want to do. The olympic style testing will subject you to a random blood test of 3-5 times and 11 urine test. So if you have a phobia with needles you would always be worried when would the next blood test will occur and it would affect you mentally as you prepare for the fight.

Again, Manny agreed on 2 blood test. Before the initial press conference and after the fight itself. Isn't this good enough? Surely if there are drugs in his system it would be found by the blood sample he will submit after the fight.

What's the difference in time then? As for others phobias of needles surely they would overcome that for 40 million dollars.

The difference in time is the 3 remaining blood test. Its between training camp and fight night itself. Phobias can be overcome surely for 40 million. But the point is there is nothing that they are going to find 24 hours before the fight that they cannot find five minutes after the fight.

[Taeth]

Sorry, but it's hard not to think that Floyd is being a bit of a dickhead here.
The NSAC's drug testing procedures have been fine for him in everyone of his fights in Vegas so far, but now all of a sudden he's demanding extended testing?? Nevada has the most stringent drug testing procedures in the country, yet they are not good enough for the Mayweathers.


Smells to me like the man is scared of something.


Whether he agrees to them or not, first blood to Pacman. Mayweather is blinking before the contract is even signed.

And before anybody says that Pac is scared because of the weight clause, is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to be on weight?

But is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to subject himself to drug testing procedures that he's never had to before, by an organisation that have proven unreliable in the past?

I have to side with Mayweather here. I mean what is the loss to Pacquiao if he subjects himself to the test? Is he going to be extra fatigued for the fight or what?

Make no mistake about it, this is THE defining fight of our generation it's the best offense against the best defense. Two fighters in their prime p4p #1 against the former p4p #1.

There is good cause to take extra steps to make sure the playing field is level. I know it's cool and common to hate on Mayweather, but he is not being unreasonable on this point.

I'll side with Manny over this one. Manny has already agreed for the drug testing before the initial press conference and after the fight. If there are drugs in his system it would not magically disappear after the fight date itself.

Manny does have a phobia of needles. Any one of us here that does have a phobia would not be happy if you are force to do something that you don't want to do. The olympic style testing will subject you to a random blood test of 3-5 times and 11 urine test. So if you have a phobia with needles you would always be worried when would the next blood test will occur and it would affect you mentally as you prepare for the fight.

Again, Manny agreed on 2 blood test. Before the initial press conference and after the fight itself. Isn't this good enough? Surely if there are drugs in his system it would be found by the blood sample he will submit after the fight.

Not really, with any high quality steroid, he could easily take it after the press conference it would make an impact on his performance, and it could out of the system by the time the fight took place, but he would still benefit from the enhancements produced by taking said steroids.

And people are talking about Manny being superstituous about changing up his routine, but he has changed where he has trained for fights, he has not even fully prepared for fights like against Jorge Solis or Oscar Larios. He has added Alex as a conditioning coach.

[Snakey]

Am i the only one who finds it suspicious that he will accept one just before the fight and after the fight but not 30 days? Anyone heard of cycling steroids? If you stop in just the right amount of time it will not show up on a blood test.

[markb018]

Sorry I don't see how this extra blood screening is a bad idea or sign that Mayweather is scared. The blood is a non issue as far as dehydration, that is just ridiculous. They aren't draining pints for him to donate. We are probably talking about 6 mls of blood here.

There is no reason for Pac to decline this testing if Floyd is accepting his demands. If Pac is in fact ducking this drug screening, there is good reason so be suspicious about it, but I will believe it when it is actually out of Pac's mouth or something a little more solid I guess.