Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...

[JT Rock]

Hate to say it but cheaters using any steroid or enhancements in this era do to the complexity and way they can be hidden have led led to a precedence of

Prove to us your not on roids.

Instead of the athlete saying prove that I'm on them.

This will absolute kill Manny in the court of public approval that he cant step up and take a few bloodtests while preparing for the highest caliber fight.. Manny is going down the same road the rest of the cheaters have taken when put in this situation

[Gandalf]

If Manny is outright refusing to go along with the testing then that makes him look very suspicious. There is NO good reason to not agree going along with having the same tests that Floyd himself is willing to submit to. Floyd has laid it on the line and said "do this one thing" and Manny is stalling.

I've started a poll looking at whether people think Manny should submit to testing or not. I think he should and have a feeling that might be the way most are feeling (but I will wait and see on that), so for the Manny camp to outright refuse seems strange. People want this fight, seemingly Floyd wants it too...so why is Manny playing up?

[Rantcatrat]

If Manny is outright refusing to go along with the testing then that makes him look very suspicious. There is NO good reason to not agree going along with having the same tests that Floyd himself is willing to submit to. Floyd has laid it on the line and said "do this one thing" and Manny is stalling.

I've started a poll looking at whether people think Manny should submit to testing or not. I think he should and have a feeling that might be the way most are feeling (but I will wait and see on that), so for the Manny camp to outright refuse seems strange. People want this fight, seemingly Floyd wants it too...so why is Manny playing up?

Manny is from a third-world part of the Philipines; he probably is superstitious when it comes to drug tests. I know many people faint after taking blood tests and it could easily ruin an afternoon of training. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't conclude Manny is doping because he refuses to take a drug test. However, this fight is too big to let it fall apart because of random drug tests either way. And let's be real here, Manny has to hit Floyd to make the steroids helpful anyway, which he won't do.

If I were Manny's people in order to make the fight happen and assuming Manny really has a legit problem with blood tests, I would negotiate the maximum number of blood tests permitted in a certain period of time, allow them to be at random though, and leave the number of urine tests open.

[Rantcatrat]

Will anyone with an actual understanding of the subject explain how blood tests are more accurate than urine tests for detecting steroids? Also, do blood tests up until thirty days before the fight and urine tests from that point going forward make detection of steroids less likely than blood tests all the way through to the fight? Is the difference negligible?

[Gandalf]

If Manny is outright refusing to go along with the testing then that makes him look very suspicious. There is NO good reason to not agree going along with having the same tests that Floyd himself is willing to submit to. Floyd has laid it on the line and said "do this one thing" and Manny is stalling.

I've started a poll looking at whether people think Manny should submit to testing or not. I think he should and have a feeling that might be the way most are feeling (but I will wait and see on that), so for the Manny camp to outright refuse seems strange. People want this fight, seemingly Floyd wants it too...so why is Manny playing up?

Manny is from a third-world part of the Philipines; he probably is superstitious when it comes to drug tests. I know many people faint after taking blood tests and it could easily ruin an afternoon of training. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't conclude Manny is doping because he refuses to take a drug test. However, this fight is too big to let it fall apart because of random drug tests either way. And let's be real here, Manny has to hit Floyd to make the steroids helpful anyway, which he won't do.

If I were Manny's people in order to make the fight happen and assuming Manny really has a legit problem with blood tests, I would negotiate the maximum number of blood tests permitted in a certain period of time, allow them to be at random though, and leave the number of urine tests open.

I'm still not persuaded either way. The Pac camp are notoriously difficult to deal with, so I still think it best to let things wait a day or two to see what happens. It would be nice to actually hear Manny's opinion about all of this instead of Arums. It would be nuts to let the fight slip away at this stage though and a shame for everyone.