Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...

[hitmanhatton]

So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.

This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?

This is so stupid..

first of all how does floyd know that pac is even affected by a test... how do you ?

and it is his responsibility to prevent damage to himself and his career if he is fighting a 'potential' drugs cheat

I only know for myself, and i also trust PAC knows for himself...


If the tables were turned and PAC accused "Money" of being juiced and requested this type of testing, and then Floyed said No because he believes it would effect his performance. There would be Pac Fans saying he is scared and Floyd fans saying what i have been saying...

I just don't think any fighter has the right to control the drug screening process...

ye and they were fine with it untill now ... whats changed.. i would suspect alexi ariza may have suggested that taking the test may not be a great idea

8oz gloves had never been at 147 in nevada before july last year, now you wouldt do with out them for little pac... bringing this testing in isnt no worse than that

[cnote111]

I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..

If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..

But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..


Guys,

I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...

[Gandalf]

I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..

If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..

But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..


Guys,

I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...

So let Manny take this simple test and be done with it...

It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.

You could also ask the question, why doesn't boxing have more stringent tests already? Maybe this does set a precedent...maybe that's not such a bad thing for major fights.

[cnote111]

I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..

If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..

But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..


Guys,

I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...

So let Manny take this simple test and be done with it...

It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.

You could also ask the question, why doesn't boxing have more stringent tests already? Maybe this does set a precedent...maybe that's not such a bad thing for major fights.

It may not be a big deal to some, but maybe it is to Manny... I have yet to hear Manny personally respond, so we will have to await his response...

However, I'm with you on the stringent testing - But do you honestly thing Floyd is trying to set a precedent in the sport of boxing? And why do people keep saying "Major" or "Title" fights only... If you were a professional fighter would you believe your safety was any less important then a guy fighting for a title.. I wouldn't!! I care to much about you Miles...haha

[Gandalf]

I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..

If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..

But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..


Guys,

I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...

So let Manny take this simple test and be done with it...

It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.

You could also ask the question, why doesn't boxing have more stringent tests already? Maybe this does set a precedent...maybe that's not such a bad thing for major fights.

It may not be a big deal to some, but maybe it is to Manny... I have yet to hear Manny personally respond, so we will have to await his response...

However, I'm with you on the stringent testing - But do you honestly thing Floyd is trying to set a precedent in the sport of boxing? And why do people keep saying "Major" or "Title" fights only... If you were a professional fighter would you believe your safety was any less important then a guy fighting for a title.. I wouldn't!! I care to much about you Miles...haha

No, my safety is just as important. So, perhaps we have too many loopholes in pro boxing. Maybe it needs an overhaul. Something always needs a precedent before things take over and become the new norm. Thanks for the concern BTW!

[killersheep]

I said implement it in title fights because that is the logical starting place, it would be great if it was required sport wide, but who it in charge of that responsibility? There is not a unified international commission. Titles are governed by specific bodies (IBF, WBO, WBA and WBC) whereas a majority of fights do not fall under the sanctioning body umbrella.

[cnote111]

I said implement it in title fights because that is the logical starting place, it would be great if it was required sport wide, but who it in charge of that responsibility? There is not a unified international commission. Titles are governed by specific bodies (IBF, WBO, WBA and WBC) whereas a majority of fights do not fall under the sanctioning body umbrella.

I agree with all of that... Good stuff, but isn't there still a standard on drug testing throughout professional boxing.. Shouldn't it be the same no matter what... And if it needs to be severely increased, shouldn't it be across the board...

@Miles, i will agree with your reply...

@ElTerrible - Weight is not the issue of this argument/discussion.. I don't feel like having a side bar... I do understand your distaste for catchweights, but if both parties agree then it is a moot point...

[Rantcatrat]

I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..

If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..

But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..


Guys,

I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...

So let Manny take this simple test and be done with it...

It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.

You could also ask the question, why doesn't boxing have more stringent tests already? Maybe this does set a precedent...maybe that's not such a bad thing for major fights.

It may not be a big deal to some, but maybe it is to Manny... I have yet to hear Manny personally respond, so we will have to await his response...

However, I'm with you on the stringent testing - But do you honestly thing Floyd is trying to set a precedent in the sport of boxing? And why do people keep saying "Major" or "Title" fights only... If you were a professional fighter would you believe your safety was any less important then a guy fighting for a title.. I wouldn't!! I care to much about you Miles...haha

I hear you on that point and to an extent, I agree. On the other hand, the guy is a boxer - he punches and is punched for a living. And he's been through some gruesome wars in which blood dripped all over his face. I find it hard to believe that giving blood would make him so uneasy that he would turn down a $30M pay day. Also, this fight would be monstrous for boxing. It may even have an effect of bringing the sport back into the limelight. I would hate to see it fail to come to fruition because Manny refuses to submit to blood tests when at least in my humble opinion, he probably has nothing at all to hide because I serously doubt he's doped up.

[hitmanhatton]

I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..

If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..

But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..


Guys,

I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...

ye and 'boxing' hasnt decided floyd should be charged $10 mil per pound over the weight limit, pacquiao requested that, it works both ways

[cnote111]

I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..

If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..

But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..


Guys,

I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...

ye and 'boxing' hasnt decided floyd should be charged $10 mil per pound over the weight limit, pacquiao requested that, it works both ways

The agreed weight, gloves, ring, venue, etc etc are all about the logistics and contracts of the fight... Drug testing is about the rules of boxing and should be no different regardless of who is fighting...

EVERYONE IS EQUAL!

[ElTerribleMorales]

I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..

If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..

But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..


Guys,

I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...

ye and 'boxing' hasnt decided floyd should be charged $10 mil per pound over the weight limit, pacquiao requested that, it works both ways

The agreed weight, gloves, ring, venue, etc etc are all about the logistics and contracts of the fight... Drug testing is about the rules of boxing and should be no different regardless of who is fighting...

EVERYONE IS EQUAL!

that's why we have weight classes, and also the penalties for going over weight goes into the rules of boxing, "they should be no different regardless of who is fighting....EVERYONE IS EQUAL!!!"

[Chino]

It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.

Here we have a guy who has shown KO power, stamina, aggression, intimidation, etc. And all of a sudden he's squeamish and scared about a needle?!

Floyd has agreed to the gloves, March 13th date, a ridiculous $10,000,000 fine per extra pound, 50-50 split, etc. You ask Pac for one single thing and he backs up?!

How about a fine of $11,000,000 to Pac for not taking a blood test?

[stebs]

I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..

If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..

But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..


Guys,

I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...

Paquiao is at the top of the boxing heap with a lot of suspicion from many people regarding possible steroid use. If all these suspicions were pure bullshit he would accept the tests to prove it, and being a top athlete and you saying this is a ploy to mess with Pacs mind is bullshit too, if that is all it takes to take his mind out of the game he can't be the best of the best. A couple vials of blood over a couple month's will not make anyone feel woosy or run down like some other poster posted earlier in this thread. My feelings are that Pac has been doing something illegal and thats why he is refusing to do these tests.

$50 milion payday and he's going to throw it all away over a ounce or two of blood, who is the scam here?, from past negotiations with Pac on his fights he always has the upper hand. This will just make sure everything is legit and fair, so man up you little pussy and take the tests, you and Arum can't spin this one as being Mayweathers excuse not to fight, prove your legit and the fight is made.

Walk away from this and it will be spoken of for years to come and your past accomplishments come into question.

[DaxxKahn]

Could this at all be a bit of giving Floyd a taste of his own medicine?

Because Floyd of course doesn't have a track record of refusing demands of another camp then giving in at the last minute? He has done it how many times with purse splits, ring size, etc.....

Then after causing a shit load of stress and extra negotiations tiring the other camp out gives in just as the fight looks about to fall through....

Could this be happening to him now? We won't know until all is said and done but funny how everyone is ready to label Manny a cheater and user of steroids but Floyd using tactics like this on other aspects makes him a genius?

It really sickens me how people are ready to brand a man before all is said and done...It sickens me how it is ok for one fighter to do simular tactics but if another MIGHT be imploying the same tactics they are cheats and hiding something...

Truth is if Manny refused to wear blue gloves instead of red ones at Floyd request the same people who are talking all the shit about this would be talking the same shit about that..

If the roles were reversed the comments would be

"Why should Floyd submit to a test he is not taking anything we all know he is just a natural talent etc" or something along those lines..

Here is something to piss of the Floyd fans who seem to insist I am a Pacquiao nuthugger because I am defending the situation NOT THE FACT A FIGHTER WOULD BE TESTED FOR STEROIDS BY THE MOST CONCLUSIVE TEST THERE IS WHEN IN TRUTH EVERY FIGHTER AS I MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER POST WHO GOES MORE THEN 90 DAYS BETWEEN BOUTS SHOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT TO ANYWAY..

Maybe Floyd is requesting the test because he is a bit scared?

Afraid the little man might be on something and hurt poor pretty boy? The man who claims he can't be hurt...Can't be touched...Can't be beat because he is just that good....

Until he seen the destruction of Manny's last 3 opponents that is...Then he put 2 and 2 together realizing his plan to use Marquez as a measuring stick to see what Pacquiao has to offer him really did not pan out because Manny put a clinic on the man Floyd ducked as a WW in Miguel Cotto....

Shit if Pacquiao fought Paul Williams and beat him there is a chance Floyd would change his name and move to a remote Island in hopes of never being found

[hitmanhatton]

Could this at all be a bit of giving Floyd a taste of his own medicine?

Because Floyd of course doesn't have a track record or refusing demands of another camp then giving in at the last minute? He has done it how many times with purse splits, ring size, etc.....

Then after causing a shit load of stress and extra negotiations tiring the other camp out giving in just as the fight looks about to fall through....

Could this be happening to him now? We won't know until all is said and done but funny how everyone is ready to label Manny a cheater and user of steroids but Floyd using tactics like this on other aspects makes him a genius?

It really sickens me how people are ready to brand a man before all is said and done...It sickens me how it is ok for one fighter to do simular tactics but if another MIGHT be imploying the same tactics they are cheats and hiding something...

Truth is if Manny refused to wear blue gloves instead of red ones at Floyd request the same people who are talking all the shit about this would be talking the same shit about that..

If the roles were reversed the comments would be

"Why should Floyd submit to a test he is not taking anything we all know he is just a natural talent etc" or something along those lines..

Here is something to piss of the Floyd fans who seem to insist I am a Pacquiao nuthugger because I am defending the situation NOT THE FACT A FIGHTER WOULD BE TESTED FOR STEROIDS BY THE MOST CONCLUSIVE TEST THERE IS WHEN IN TRUTH EVERY FIGHTER AS I MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER POSET WHO GOES MORE THEN 90 DAYS BETWEEN BOUTS SHOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT TO ANYWAY..

Maybe Floyd is requesting the test because he is a bit scared?

Afraid the little man might be on something and hurt poor pretty boy? The man who claims he can't be hurt...Can't be touched...Can't be beat because he is just that good....

Until he seen the destruction of Manny's last 3 opponents that is...Then he put 2 and 2 together realizing his plan to use Marquez as a measuring stick to see what Pacquiao has to offer him really did not pan out because Manny put a clinic on the man Floyd ducked as a WW in Miguel Cotto....

Shit if Pacquiao fougfht Paul Williams and beat him there is a chance Floyd would change his name and move to a remote Island in hopes of never being found

there is a big difference here, messing other fighters around over ring size and purses doesnt harm anyones career directly

manny is refusing to take a test which would easilly prove his innocence, seems a bit odd to me

its like being accused of stealing and you firmly denying it but refusing to turn out your pockets..

and your comment about floyd being worried pacquaio is on something and may hurt him .... what do you expect, you say that as if floyd should just fight pac with his drugs otherwise he is afraid