Should Manny Pac go ahead with the blood test?

[TheBranMan]

Make no mistake Pac has to take the test now, I don't see any other option. If he doesn't agree to the test, regardless of whether it's fair or not, there will always be question marks over his greatest victories.

Why shouldn't there be question marks over every great fighter in history then? Why aren't we questioning the wins of Hopkins who gained 15 lbs in 6 months or Roy who gained god knows how much for Ruiz, or the known cheats in Holy Mosley and Toney?

Because Pac (a fighter who has already been subject to steroid claims) has been asked to take the more conclusive tests, and is refusing. This fight is also at the pinnacle of their careers, money, everything. Don't say that people like Mosley just got away with juicing. His reputation will always be tarnished by it. Despite that he was only recorded to be on them for a couple fights.

If Pac refuses to be tested for this fight, potentially the largest money-maker in history, it's more than suspicious. He has already been the target of steroid allegations and he knows it. Even his team (including his loudmouth trainer) can't come up with anything better than "he doesn't like blood tests", "blood tests don't affect him well... mentally", "Floyd is just bullying"..... CMON take the stupid test and lets see a fair fight.

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Make no mistake Pac has to take the test now, I don't see any other option. If he doesn't agree to the test, regardless of whether it's fair or not, there will always be question marks over his greatest victories.

Why shouldn't there be question marks over every great fighter in history then? Why aren't we questioning the wins of Hopkins who gained 15 lbs in 6 months or Roy who gained god knows how much for Ruiz, or the known cheats in Holy Mosley and Toney?

Because Pac (a fighter who has already been subject to steroid claims) has been asked to take the more conclusive tests, and is refusing. This fight is also at the pinnacle of their careers, money, everything. Don't say that people like Mosley just got away with juicing. His reputation will always be tarnished by it. Despite that he was only recorded to be on them for a couple fights.

If Pac refuses to be tested for this fight, potentially the largest money-maker in history, it's more than suspicious. He has already been the target of steroid allegations and he knows it. Even his team (including his loudmouth trainer) can't come up with anything better than "he doesn't like blood tests", "blood tests don't affect him well... mentally", "Floyd is just bullying"..... CMON take the stupid test and lets see a fair fight.

That's the gripe I have, what exactly are the basis of these claims? The mutterings of an idiot in Floyd Senior and Malignaggis pseudo science on the radio(cause he talked to some meatheads in the gym), NOT a fucking shred of evidence/paper trail/dodgy connections to Balco. Defend Pac on this and you're labelled an apologist, yet u defend Mosley with this 'only for couple fights ' bollocks, how exactly does he get a free ride over the rest of his career when his steroid taking isn't in doubt?

Wether we like it or not our favourite sport has the same 'do what u like just don't get caught' attitude that American Football and baseball has, and like them it's likeley that a significant (majority even!)% of the elite are on something stronger than lucozade. Athletics has the most stringent tests in sport yet is still ripe with juicing, do you not think that in a sport where loading gloves and headbutting are used to gain an advantage that PED's aren't probably the norm?

[Conrad]

Slightly off topic but my bro is a bodybuilder and owns his own Gym. When I said the fight might not happen due to steroid issues he laughed and said all top boxers are probably taking steroids. As are UFC fighters...

Now my brother only has a passing interest in boxing so is probably just talking out his arse. He also reckons they aren't even tested for drugs in UFC I haven't a clue as I don't follow it.

But if the current procedures for testing in boxing are insufficent as Floyd claims, then it stands to reason boxers would cheat. With so much emphasis on power and strength in the sort, it shouldn't really be so surprising..

[Conrad]

On another note, why don't they just make drugs legal in every single sport? That way everybody would be equal and nobody would have an unfair advantage..

[jon09]

Slightly off topic but my bro is a bodybuilder and owns his own Gym. When I said the fight might not happen due to steroid issues he laughed and said all top boxers are probably taking steroids. As are UFC fighters...

Now my brother only has a passing interest in boxing so is probably just talking out his arse. He also reckons they aren't even tested for drugs in UFC I haven't a clue as I don't follow it.

But if the current procedures for testing in boxing are insufficent as Floyd claims, then it stands to reason boxers would cheat. With so much emphasis on power and strength in the sort, it shouldn't really be so surprising..

The UFC is tested for steroids just like boxing is; Tim Sylvia and Stephen Bonnar were busted for illegal drugs and dealt with accordingly.

[TheBranMan]

Why shouldn't there be question marks over every great fighter in history then? Why aren't we questioning the wins of Hopkins who gained 15 lbs in 6 months or Roy who gained god knows how much for Ruiz, or the known cheats in Holy Mosley and Toney?

Because Pac (a fighter who has already been subject to steroid claims) has been asked to take the more conclusive tests, and is refusing. This fight is also at the pinnacle of their careers, money, everything. Don't say that people like Mosley just got away with juicing. His reputation will always be tarnished by it. Despite that he was only recorded to be on them for a couple fights.

If Pac refuses to be tested for this fight, potentially the largest money-maker in history, it's more than suspicious. He has already been the target of steroid allegations and he knows it. Even his team (including his loudmouth trainer) can't come up with anything better than "he doesn't like blood tests", "blood tests don't affect him well... mentally", "Floyd is just bullying"..... CMON take the stupid test and lets see a fair fight.

That's the gripe I have, what exactly are the basis of these claims? The mutterings of an idiot in Floyd Senior and Malignaggis pseudo science on the radio(cause he talked to some meatheads in the gym), NOT a fucking shred of evidence/paper trail/dodgy connections to Balco. Defend Pac on this and you're labelled an apologist, yet u defend Mosley with this 'only for couple fights ' bollocks, how exactly does he get a free ride over the rest of his career when his steroid taking isn't in doubt?

Wether we like it or not our favourite sport has the same 'do what u like just don't get caught' attitude that American Football and baseball has, and like them it's likeley that a significant (majority even!)% of the elite are on something stronger than lucozade. Athletics has the most stringent tests in sport yet is still ripe with juicing, do you not think that in a sport where loading gloves and headbutting are used to gain an advantage that PED's aren't probably the norm?

I wasn't defending Mosley in the slightest. After hearing the facts, I believe he knew that he was playing unfairly and deserves the rap he's gotten. It's unmeasurable amounts of damage to his reputation. I also don't agree with your initial comparison about paper trails leading to Pacquiao. That was evidence when Mosley was caught. I don't believe you need receipts connecting you to the drugs, to be suspect. Disregarding Floyd Sr's senile rants, Paulie had some very valid points that, while there are a couple counter-arguments, still easily cast a shadow of doubt.

You are correct in your second statement. Like it or not, it is a dirty sport. I believe that we, as a community, should push for it to have less of that "do what u like just don't get caught" attitude. We should take the first step by supporting more conclusive drug tests, checking for loaded gloves, etc. Admitting that boxing is damned is just taking it further down the road to non-existence. Lets try and be positive and push to save the sport that we love from corruption. The best cheater shouldn't be the best athlete, and vice versa.

[generalbulldog]

Why shouldn't there be question marks over every great fighter in history then? Why aren't we questioning the wins of Hopkins who gained 15 lbs in 6 months or Roy who gained god knows how much for Ruiz, or the known cheats in Holy Mosley and Toney?

Because Pac (a fighter who has already been subject to steroid claims) has been asked to take the more conclusive tests, and is refusing. This fight is also at the pinnacle of their careers, money, everything. Don't say that people like Mosley just got away with juicing. His reputation will always be tarnished by it. Despite that he was only recorded to be on them for a couple fights.

If Pac refuses to be tested for this fight, potentially the largest money-maker in history, it's more than suspicious. He has already been the target of steroid allegations and he knows it. Even his team (including his loudmouth trainer) can't come up with anything better than "he doesn't like blood tests", "blood tests don't affect him well... mentally", "Floyd is just bullying"..... CMON take the stupid test and lets see a fair fight.

That's the gripe I have, what exactly are the basis of these claims? The mutterings of an idiot in Floyd Senior and Malignaggis pseudo science on the radio(cause he talked to some meatheads in the gym), NOT a fucking shred of evidence/paper trail/dodgy connections to Balco. Defend Pac on this and you're labelled an apologist, yet u defend Mosley with this 'only for couple fights ' bollocks, how exactly does he get a free ride over the rest of his career when his steroid taking isn't in doubt?

Wether we like it or not our favourite sport has the same 'do what u like just don't get caught' attitude that American Football and baseball has, and like them it's likeley that a significant (majority even!)% of the elite are on something stronger than lucozade. Athletics has the most stringent tests in sport yet is still ripe with juicing, do you not think that in a sport where loading gloves and headbutting are used to gain an advantage that PED's aren't probably the norm?

I know that's kind of funny. People tend to defend the fighters they like and try to castrate the fighters they don't like. Anyone brings up Mosley, Holyfield, Roy Jones, James Toney, juicing there are apologists about, "well it's just a few fights." bullshit. All of them deserves the same scrutiny and criticism imo.

Holyfield is my favorite HW of the modern era, but I have some serious misgivings about his victories over Tyson. And I'm not going to be an apologist about it. It makes me wonder if he fought Tyson fair and clean, in fact I've been wondering about it for years now, ever since the whole Evan Fields debacle came to light a few years back.