What are The Legacies of Pacman, Mosley, Margarito

[generalbulldog]

I sure wonder what Shane Mosley, Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones thinks about all this?

[killersheep]

I sure wonder what Shane Mosley, Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones thinks about all this?

Jones is too busy trying to get his last ko loss turned into a dq win

due diligence Roy, due diligence.

[brucelee]

Hmmm....A bit harsh no? I mean what has Manny really done to show he uses roids? He is a little guy who has almost zero body fat and never can anyone say they ever seen him out of shape or pudgy.....

His punching power is a bit exaggerated at LWW and WW the Cotto fight proved that sure he has pop in his punches but it is the punches in bunches that has been the key...

So he refused a test...WTF do these guys need to take a test everytime someone accuses them of something?

And no they do not need to just btake the test to prove everyone wrong then move on...Hell it is a freaking insult....

As bad as when Christy Martin said she woulkd not fight Rijker until a test proved she was a woman...Was Lucia supposed to humiliate herself just to satisfy her opp who was goading her and effect her mindset...

The fighters are bdrug tested before and after their fights the test can be done then

Daxx, that is complete shit. Every boxer should be subject to the Olympic style tests, the ones put in place by boxing commissions worldwide are a joke, hell I could probably easily get hold of PEDs to get around the testing for my amateur fights, which are certainly not much more stringent than those that the major commissions are using.

As for the Christy Martin comparison, those are two different things. One was clearly trying to humiliate her opponent, the Pacquiao-Mayweather situation is the two best fighters of our generation showing the world that they can do what they've done without the aid of PEDs.

Anyway, back to the topic. I still refuse to believe Pacquiao is doing it. If he calls off a probably $30m payday because of it then I will have to be suspicious, but he hasn't done that yet so he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Mosley seems to have largely got away with using PEDs by saying he didn't know, something I truly believed until this year, when I realized all available evidence pointed to him being well aware. But truthfully use of PEDs still doesn't get that bad a rap, both Jones & Mosley who almost certainly used them enjoy great standing with boxing fans.

Margarito on the other hand was using a method that could kill an opponent. He will forever be tarnished & will fade into history as the cheat he is.

Just as much as it is complete shit that Mayweather does not think he should be fined for not coming in on the agreed weight...

The test itself is not an issue for me...In my opinion every fighter should be subjected to an extreme amount of testing for various substances like the ones used in the Olympics every time they have more then a 3 month gap between fight or test but my point is just because the man denies to take a test that Floyd demands it is unfair to label him a cheat....

Floyd is a master of bullshit as we all know...Funny how he manages to take focus off the fact he refuses to accept the demands of Manny's camp that he be severly fined for not making weight by having his PR people push this to all the press,,,

I compared it to the Martin Rijker fight because it is an example of one fighter using the press as a way to discredit the other while escaping any efforts on their behalf to meet any type of demands set upon them

Very well said Daxx. You're really one of those few people here who are not bias.

I hope people here won't judge immediately while the negotiation is still on. This is clearly making a trial by publicity on Pac.

[brucelee]

Just as much as it is complete shit that Mayweather does not think he should be fined for not coming in on the agreed weight...

The test itself is not an issue for me...In my opinion every fighter should be subjected to an extreme amount of testing for various substances like the ones used in the Olympics every time they have more then a 3 month gap between fight or test but my point is just because the man denies to take a test that Floyd demands it is unfair to label him a cheat....

Floyd is a master of bullshit as we all know...Funny how he manages to take focus off the fact he refuses to accept the demands of Manny's camp that he be severly fined for not making weight by having his PR people push this to all the press,,,

I compared it to the Martin Rijker fight because it is an example of one fighter using the press as a way to discredit the other while escaping any efforts on their behalf to meet any type of demands set upon them

You might have missed the numerous posts that mentioned it in other threads Daxx, but Mayweather has agreed to the $10m per lb clause put forward by Pacquiao's team.

If Pacquiao doesn't now take this fight that would likely net him upwards of $40m, then there will be suspicion over him forever. For that kind of money it would be better to take the fight & lose.

For sure I missed the other post about Floyd accepting the 10 mil deal when I had made the post

Floyd technically hasn't accepted the 10 million deal because he hasn't signed the contract.

[The Congressman]

Another ignorant BS thread.

[Gandalf]

Another ignorant BS thread.

Maybe the thread was somewhat rash, but ignorance is to ignore the fact that a fighter refuses to adhere to a drug test too. Just the way it is.

[The Congressman]

Another ignorant BS thread.

Maybe the thread was somewhat rash, but ignorance is to ignore the fact that a fighter refuses to adhere to a drug test too. Just the way it is.

So does that make Pac instantly guilty? Yes? No?.. The answer is You Don't Know.

Has this kind of test been done before in pro boxing? The answer is NO, NEVER.

Yep. It's just the way it is indeed.

[Gandalf]

Another ignorant BS thread.

Maybe the thread was somewhat rash, but ignorance is to ignore the fact that a fighter refuses to adhere to a drug test too. Just the way it is.

So does that make Pac instantly guilty? Yes? No?.. The answer is You Don't Know.

Has this kind of test been done before in pro boxing? The answer is NO, NEVER.

Yep. It's just the way it is indeed.

Refusing a straightforward test that many thousands already go through is hardly the best way to go about clearing yourself of any unwarranted accusations. Whether you like it or not, Manny has tarnished himself with his response so far.

I don't know why you are trying to defend it. A drugs test is the correct thing to do and deserves a place in every major fight. It's great that it has been called for in the biggest money fight in boxing history.

Do you really not think so?

[Dr. Steelhammer]

I don't know about Margarito. But Mosley is doing really well aside from that Judah scandal. So let's put a period to that.

As for Pac. NSAC says he's clean. Then by god he is!

End of.

[Gandalf]

I don't know about Margarito. But Mosley is doing really well aside from that Judah scandal. So let's put a period to that.

As for Pac. NSAC says he's clean. Then by god he is!

End of.

You need to read up on some of the threads before coming to such firm conclusions. Pac might be clean, but current testing procedures are not enough to determine that.

[Dr. Steelhammer]

I don't know about Margarito. But Mosley is doing really well aside from that Judah scandal. So let's put a period to that.

As for Pac. NSAC says he's clean. Then by god he is!

End of.

You need to read up on some of the threads before coming to such firm conclusions. Pac might be clean, but current testing procedures are not enough to determine that.

I already read some articles about it. To me, Mayweather is just trying to derail the negotiation.

Again, the authority says Pac is clean, then he is clean. Who would you rather believe?.. Keith Kizer from Nevada State Athletic Commission?.. or an ex-crack dealer,.. an ex-con?

[Gandalf]

I don't know about Margarito. But Mosley is doing really well aside from that Judah scandal. So let's put a period to that.

As for Pac. NSAC says he's clean. Then by god he is!

End of.

You need to read up on some of the threads before coming to such firm conclusions. Pac might be clean, but current testing procedures are not enough to determine that.

I already read some articles about it. To me, Mayweather is just trying to derail the negotiation.

Again, the authority says Pac is clean, then he is clean. Who would you rather believe?.. Keith Kizer from Nevada State Athletic Commission?.. or an ex-crack dealer,.. an ex-con?

I believe what I know. That current testing is limited and that the proposals Mayweather is suggesting are far more comprehensive. The commisions are outdated and haven't kept up to date with the ability to test for a full range of illegal products.

[Dr. Steelhammer]

You need to read up on some of the threads before coming to such firm conclusions. Pac might be clean, but current testing procedures are not enough to determine that.

I already read some articles about it. To me, Mayweather is just trying to derail the negotiation.

Again, the authority says Pac is clean, then he is clean. Who would you rather believe?.. Keith Kizer from Nevada State Athletic Commission?.. or an ex-crack dealer,.. an ex-con?

I believe what I know. That current testing is limited and that the proposals Mayweather is suggesting are far more comprehensive. The commisions are outdated and haven't kept up to date with the ability to test for a full range of illegal products.

Then you should address your opinion or complain to NSAC then. It will take process. They will vote on it, etc, whatever. But Pacquiao shouldn't be tortured for refusing to take the test.

Mayweather is scared, plain and simple.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I already read some articles about it. To me, Mayweather is just trying to derail the negotiation.

Again, the authority says Pac is clean, then he is clean. Who would you rather believe?.. Keith Kizer from Nevada State Athletic Commission?.. or an ex-crack dealer,.. an ex-con?

I believe what I know. That current testing is limited and that the proposals Mayweather is suggesting are far more comprehensive. The commisions are outdated and haven't kept up to date with the ability to test for a full range of illegal products.

Then you should address your opinion or complain to NSAC then. It will take process. They will vote on it, etc, whatever. But Pacquiao shouldn't be tortured for refusing to take the test.

Mayweather is scared, plain and simple.

Mayweather's the one that accepted Pacquiao's bogus terms, yet Manny couldn't run further away with his tail tucked between his legs, it's been Pacquiao holding up the fight from the get-go so don't see why people are acting so shocked that he's pussying out, when he'd rather fight Malignaggi for chump change instead of fighting Mayweather for $30 million minimum, there's something up

[Dr. Steelhammer]

I believe what I know. That current testing is limited and that the proposals Mayweather is suggesting are far more comprehensive. The commisions are outdated and haven't kept up to date with the ability to test for a full range of illegal products.

Then you should address your opinion or complain to NSAC then. It will take process. They will vote on it, etc, whatever. But Pacquiao shouldn't be tortured for refusing to take the test.

Mayweather is scared, plain and simple.

Mayweather's the one that accepted Pacquiao's bogus terms, yet Manny couldn't run further away with his tail tucked between his legs, it's been Pacquiao holding up the fight from the get-go so don't see why people are acting so shocked that he's pussying out, when he'd rather fight Malignaggi for chump change instead of fighting Mayweather for $30 million minimum, there's something up

Mayweather has made his popularity by avoiding dangerous fighters such as Margarito, Cotto, Mosely, Williams, he's doing it again against Pacquiao.

When did Pacquiao avoid dangerous fighter?

None. Never.

Mayweather is the one who's pussying out.