Could ODLH have beaten PBF?

[Taeth]

He really didn't give Mayweather a run for his money, it was a relatively competitive fight which people aren't use to seeing, but Mayweather landed 207 to 122 punches. He outjabbed Oscar, and he landed more power punches. Ineffective aggression doesn't win fights, and Oscar wasn't barely landing 10 punches a round against Floyd, and those were 90% of the time glancing blows. Mayweather outboxed him and should have won 117-111 or 116-112. I can't believe how many rounds people felt Oscar won when Mayweather landed twice as many punches and three to four times as many clean punches in the same round. Oscar's jab wasn't that effective either, he only landed it 40 times the entire fight, and strategically it only took a couple of rounds for Mayweather to start countering over it with the right hand, and then Oscar stopped throwing it.

I don't think Oscar would have beaten Floyd earlier in his career, the keys that Oscar had when he faced Floyd as an older guy were better defensive skills and a little more patience. He tended to get sloppy when he was younger, and he has the same stamina problems. Also he was a lot bigger fighting Oscar at 154 than he was when he originally went up to the weight, and he wasn't that much slower. I actually think Mayweather beats a more inexperienced Oscar worse than he did, and I think Mayweather's Oscar would beat Vargas' Oscar for all the reasons said. He is bigger, much better defensively, smarter, better right hand, and only slightly slower.

[15rounder]

In one word to the thread starter...NO...not at any point in ODH career would he have beaten Floyd. Not on any planet, no matter how the stars or planets were aligned. I understand the sentiment behind your post as I'm a Roy Jones fan so times have been pretty damn tough for me as a boxing fan. It wasn't all that close a fight the first time. It just looked that way to the untrained eye because ODH pressed the action. Floyd is a viper and picks at you through out the fight with surgical precision which is what he did to Oscar. If Oscar fights him earlier in his career, the Floyd just does this earlier and more often. Floyd still wins the fight...20 out of 20 times.

[ElTerribleMorales]

In one word to the thread starter...NO...not at any point in ODH career would he have beaten Floyd. Not on any planet, no matter how the stars or planets were aligned. I understand the sentiment behind your post as I'm a Roy Jones fan so times have been pretty damn tough for me as a boxing fan. It wasn't all that close a fight the first time. It just looked that way to the untrained eye because ODH pressed the action. Floyd is a viper and picks at you through out the fight with surgical precision which is what he did to Oscar. If Oscar fights him earlier in his career, the Floyd just does this earlier and more often. Floyd still wins the fight...20 out of 20 times.

the first time? they only fought once, where the hell was i for the rematch?!?

[ElTerribleMorales]

He really didn't give Mayweather a run for his money, it was a relatively competitive fight which people aren't use to seeing, but Mayweather landed 207 to 122 punches. He outjabbed Oscar, and he landed more power punches. Ineffective aggression doesn't win fights, and Oscar wasn't barely landing 10 punches a round against Floyd, and those were 90% of the time glancing blows. Mayweather outboxed him and should have won 117-111 or 116-112. I can't believe how many rounds people felt Oscar won when Mayweather landed twice as many punches and three to four times as many clean punches in the same round. Oscar's jab wasn't that effective either, he only landed it 40 times the entire fight, and strategically it only took a couple of rounds for Mayweather to start countering over it with the right hand, and then Oscar stopped throwing it.

I don't think Oscar would have beaten Floyd earlier in his career, the keys that Oscar had when he faced Floyd as an older guy were better defensive skills and a little more patience. He tended to get sloppy when he was younger, and he has the same stamina problems. Also he was a lot bigger fighting Oscar at 154 than he was when he originally went up to the weight, and he wasn't that much slower. I actually think Mayweather beats a more inexperienced Oscar worse than he did, and I think Mayweather's Oscar would beat Vargas' Oscar for all the reasons said. He is bigger, much better defensively, smarter, better right hand, and only slightly slower.

laying on the ropes and taking shots on your arms doesn't win rounds either, and that's what Floyd would do for a good portion of the fight, IMO it was a close fight, and basically the last bit DLH had in his tank, i had Mayweather winning at most 116-112, the Oscar that fought Vargas or Mosley in the rematch would have beaten Mayweather in a close fight and would have stopped Pacquiao within 8 rounds

[mattboxingfan]

He really didn't give Mayweather a run for his money, it was a relatively competitive fight which people aren't use to seeing, but Mayweather landed 207 to 122 punches. He outjabbed Oscar, and he landed more power punches. Ineffective aggression doesn't win fights, and Oscar wasn't barely landing 10 punches a round against Floyd, and those were 90% of the time glancing blows. Mayweather outboxed him and should have won 117-111 or 116-112. I can't believe how many rounds people felt Oscar won when Mayweather landed twice as many punches and three to four times as many clean punches in the same round. Oscar's jab wasn't that effective either, he only landed it 40 times the entire fight, and strategically it only took a couple of rounds for Mayweather to start countering over it with the right hand, and then Oscar stopped throwing it.

I don't think Oscar would have beaten Floyd earlier in his career, the keys that Oscar had when he faced Floyd as an older guy were better defensive skills and a little more patience. He tended to get sloppy when he was younger, and he has the same stamina problems. Also he was a lot bigger fighting Oscar at 154 than he was when he originally went up to the weight, and he wasn't that much slower. I actually think Mayweather beats a more inexperienced Oscar worse than he did, and I think Mayweather's Oscar would beat Vargas' Oscar for all the reasons said. He is bigger, much better defensively, smarter, better right hand, and only slightly slower.

laying on the ropes and taking shots on your arms doesn't win rounds either, and that's what Floyd would do for a good portion of the fight, IMO it was a close fight, and basically the last bit DLH had in his tank, i had Mayweather winning at most 116-112, the Oscar that fought Vargas or Mosley in the rematch would have beaten Mayweather in a close fight and would have stopped Pacquiao within 8 rounds

I think its best not to mention his name lol, but ye i totally agree.

[Pugilistic]

I personally don't know how anyone can score that fight in favor of Oscar.

Floyd outboxed him in majority of the rounds especially the later rounds where DLH tired. DLH did snatch a few rounds due to a higher pace but even then he never landed anything significant. All the clean solid punches came from Mayweather.

I seen it being scored in favor of Floyd 9-3 or 8-4 at the very worst.

Could a prime Oscar beat Floyd ? Possibly, but i would still favor Mayweather due to his superior boxing skills and defensive smarts.

[Taeth]

He really didn't give Mayweather a run for his money, it was a relatively competitive fight which people aren't use to seeing, but Mayweather landed 207 to 122 punches. He outjabbed Oscar, and he landed more power punches. Ineffective aggression doesn't win fights, and Oscar wasn't barely landing 10 punches a round against Floyd, and those were 90% of the time glancing blows. Mayweather outboxed him and should have won 117-111 or 116-112. I can't believe how many rounds people felt Oscar won when Mayweather landed twice as many punches and three to four times as many clean punches in the same round. Oscar's jab wasn't that effective either, he only landed it 40 times the entire fight, and strategically it only took a couple of rounds for Mayweather to start countering over it with the right hand, and then Oscar stopped throwing it.

I don't think Oscar would have beaten Floyd earlier in his career, the keys that Oscar had when he faced Floyd as an older guy were better defensive skills and a little more patience. He tended to get sloppy when he was younger, and he has the same stamina problems. Also he was a lot bigger fighting Oscar at 154 than he was when he originally went up to the weight, and he wasn't that much slower. I actually think Mayweather beats a more inexperienced Oscar worse than he did, and I think Mayweather's Oscar would beat Vargas' Oscar for all the reasons said. He is bigger, much better defensively, smarter, better right hand, and only slightly slower.

laying on the ropes and taking shots on your arms doesn't win rounds either, and that's what Floyd would do for a good portion of the fight, IMO it was a close fight, and basically the last bit DLH had in his tank, i had Mayweather winning at most 116-112, the Oscar that fought Vargas or Mosley in the rematch would have beaten Mayweather in a close fight and would have stopped Pacquiao within 8 rounds

He was only on the ropes for little segments of each round, yet somehow people think it nullifies the fact that inbetween those segments where he was caught on the ropes(and Oscar landed almost none of his punches) Mayweather was peppering him with shots. It wasn't that difficult of a night, and both Castillo fights were much tougher for Floyd and he got hit by much cleaner shots against JLC and Zab Judah.

It easy to look half decent against Mayweather to the untrained eye, but the fact of the matter is Oscar isn't good enough to beat Floyd. Maybe a prime Robinson or Leonard could do the trick, but not Oscar he just wasn't fast enough or good enough.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Oscar lost the fight to PBF, however the Oscar of 1999-2001 was a different story. At 147lb the Oscar of 2000 beats PBF! So does Mosley of the same year!

[El Kabong]

Yes, Oscar could beat Floyd a NUMBER of fighters could have beaten Floyd! But Floyd is very good and I think he could beat a number of solid fighters.

[Taeth]

Oscar lost the fight to PBF, however the Oscar of 1999-2001 was a different story. At 147lb the Oscar of 2000 beats PBF! So does Mosley of the same year!

How was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.

Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.

Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.

Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Oscar lost the fight to PBF, however the Oscar of 1999-2001 was a different story. At 147lb the Oscar of 2000 beats PBF! So does Mosley of the same year!

How was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.

Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.

Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.

Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.

dude that's the biggest load of bullshit, i can count the number of times a prime Oscar was hurt on one hand, he had a great chin and could take loads of punishment and yet still be effective

DLH's jab used to be a lot crisper when he was younger and he wouldn't just put it in your face, he would jab to the pit of the stomach and straight back to the head, pretty much what Mayweather did to Corrales

his speed was just as good as Mayweather's and his power was a lot better

if he'd pace himself he'd be able to rough up Mayweather enough to win a decision

[Taeth]

Oscar lost the fight to PBF, however the Oscar of 1999-2001 was a different story. At 147lb the Oscar of 2000 beats PBF! So does Mosley of the same year!

How was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.

Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.

Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.

Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.

dude that's the biggest load of bullshit, i can count the number of times a prime Oscar was hurt on one hand, he had a great chin and could take loads of punishment and yet still be effective

DLH's jab used to be a lot crisper when he was younger and he wouldn't just put it in your face, he would jab to the pit of the stomach and straight back to the head, pretty much what Mayweather did to Corrales

his speed was just as good as Mayweather's and his power was a lot better

if he'd pace himself he'd be able to rough up Mayweather enough to win a decision

Watch Oscar against Mayorga and then show me a more dominant fight for Oscar's jab.

You attack my validity, but you try and say that Oscar was ever as fast as Mayweather? That's a fucking joke. Just ask Genaro Hernandez who was faster, Mayweather is a lot faster than Oscar as was Mosley.

Oscar did have a great chin throughout his career, but punches did bother him more when he was younger. I can name the amount of times Mosley stunned him on one hand, but if you add up all the fights he was hurt a few times. Either way Mayweather couldn't stop Oscar in any version except maybe the one who faced Pacquiao.

But you're hate for Floyd and Manny is known by everyone on here. Just a little while ago you were arguing with me about how Marquez was better than Pacquiao. How MOrales would beat Mayweather at 130. Yet every time you are proven wrong.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Oscar lost the fight to PBF, however the Oscar of 1999-2001 was a different story. At 147lb the Oscar of 2000 beats PBF! So does Mosley of the same year!

How was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.

Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.

Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.

Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.

I don't doubt Mayweather's skills, he is the best defensive fighter i have ever seen. I just don't think he would have handled both Oscar and Mosley in their primes at 147lb. Check out DLH V Mosley 1 and tell me Floyd would beat them both?

[sanchez786]

Had Oscar stuck to his jab as he did the first few rounds, then absolutely.

[hitmanhatton]

Oscar lost the fight to PBF, however the Oscar of 1999-2001 was a different story. At 147lb the Oscar of 2000 beats PBF! So does Mosley of the same year!

How was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.

Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.

Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.

Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.

over throwing the jab ? does such a thing exist ? the more oscar uses his jab the better, he was more succesful against floyd when he used it and it seemed to offset floyds rythem, according to roach oscar had an injury in his shoulder which is why he stopped using the jab

and naturally smaller ? he was struggling to make weight around the time of the trinidad fight onwards and should have probably already moved up to 154 by then, he was still the same height obviously so i would love to know how he was smalled back then .....

and when has oscar been hurt ? he was caught cold a few times early in his career but barley even wobbled at 147 or 154.... and unlike floyd he fought some of the biggest punchers and best fighters around at the time ...