Could ODLH have beaten PBF?

[ElTerribleMorales]

He really didn't give Mayweather a run for his money, it was a relatively competitive fight which people aren't use to seeing, but Mayweather landed 207 to 122 punches. He outjabbed Oscar, and he landed more power punches. Ineffective aggression doesn't win fights, and Oscar wasn't barely landing 10 punches a round against Floyd, and those were 90% of the time glancing blows. Mayweather outboxed him and should have won 117-111 or 116-112. I can't believe how many rounds people felt Oscar won when Mayweather landed twice as many punches and three to four times as many clean punches in the same round. Oscar's jab wasn't that effective either, he only landed it 40 times the entire fight, and strategically it only took a couple of rounds for Mayweather to start countering over it with the right hand, and then Oscar stopped throwing it.

I don't think Oscar would have beaten Floyd earlier in his career, the keys that Oscar had when he faced Floyd as an older guy were better defensive skills and a little more patience. He tended to get sloppy when he was younger, and he has the same stamina problems. Also he was a lot bigger fighting Oscar at 154 than he was when he originally went up to the weight, and he wasn't that much slower. I actually think Mayweather beats a more inexperienced Oscar worse than he did, and I think Mayweather's Oscar would beat Vargas' Oscar for all the reasons said. He is bigger, much better defensively, smarter, better right hand, and only slightly slower.

laying on the ropes and taking shots on your arms doesn't win rounds either, and that's what Floyd would do for a good portion of the fight, IMO it was a close fight, and basically the last bit DLH had in his tank, i had Mayweather winning at most 116-112, the Oscar that fought Vargas or Mosley in the rematch would have beaten Mayweather in a close fight and would have stopped Pacquiao within 8 rounds

[mattboxingfan]

He really didn't give Mayweather a run for his money, it was a relatively competitive fight which people aren't use to seeing, but Mayweather landed 207 to 122 punches. He outjabbed Oscar, and he landed more power punches. Ineffective aggression doesn't win fights, and Oscar wasn't barely landing 10 punches a round against Floyd, and those were 90% of the time glancing blows. Mayweather outboxed him and should have won 117-111 or 116-112. I can't believe how many rounds people felt Oscar won when Mayweather landed twice as many punches and three to four times as many clean punches in the same round. Oscar's jab wasn't that effective either, he only landed it 40 times the entire fight, and strategically it only took a couple of rounds for Mayweather to start countering over it with the right hand, and then Oscar stopped throwing it.

I don't think Oscar would have beaten Floyd earlier in his career, the keys that Oscar had when he faced Floyd as an older guy were better defensive skills and a little more patience. He tended to get sloppy when he was younger, and he has the same stamina problems. Also he was a lot bigger fighting Oscar at 154 than he was when he originally went up to the weight, and he wasn't that much slower. I actually think Mayweather beats a more inexperienced Oscar worse than he did, and I think Mayweather's Oscar would beat Vargas' Oscar for all the reasons said. He is bigger, much better defensively, smarter, better right hand, and only slightly slower.

laying on the ropes and taking shots on your arms doesn't win rounds either, and that's what Floyd would do for a good portion of the fight, IMO it was a close fight, and basically the last bit DLH had in his tank, i had Mayweather winning at most 116-112, the Oscar that fought Vargas or Mosley in the rematch would have beaten Mayweather in a close fight and would have stopped Pacquiao within 8 rounds

I think its best not to mention his name lol, but ye i totally agree.

[Pugilistic]

I personally don't know how anyone can score that fight in favor of Oscar.

Floyd outboxed him in majority of the rounds especially the later rounds where DLH tired. DLH did snatch a few rounds due to a higher pace but even then he never landed anything significant. All the clean solid punches came from Mayweather.

I seen it being scored in favor of Floyd 9-3 or 8-4 at the very worst.

Could a prime Oscar beat Floyd ? Possibly, but i would still favor Mayweather due to his superior boxing skills and defensive smarts.

[Taeth]

He really didn't give Mayweather a run for his money, it was a relatively competitive fight which people aren't use to seeing, but Mayweather landed 207 to 122 punches. He outjabbed Oscar, and he landed more power punches. Ineffective aggression doesn't win fights, and Oscar wasn't barely landing 10 punches a round against Floyd, and those were 90% of the time glancing blows. Mayweather outboxed him and should have won 117-111 or 116-112. I can't believe how many rounds people felt Oscar won when Mayweather landed twice as many punches and three to four times as many clean punches in the same round. Oscar's jab wasn't that effective either, he only landed it 40 times the entire fight, and strategically it only took a couple of rounds for Mayweather to start countering over it with the right hand, and then Oscar stopped throwing it.

I don't think Oscar would have beaten Floyd earlier in his career, the keys that Oscar had when he faced Floyd as an older guy were better defensive skills and a little more patience. He tended to get sloppy when he was younger, and he has the same stamina problems. Also he was a lot bigger fighting Oscar at 154 than he was when he originally went up to the weight, and he wasn't that much slower. I actually think Mayweather beats a more inexperienced Oscar worse than he did, and I think Mayweather's Oscar would beat Vargas' Oscar for all the reasons said. He is bigger, much better defensively, smarter, better right hand, and only slightly slower.

laying on the ropes and taking shots on your arms doesn't win rounds either, and that's what Floyd would do for a good portion of the fight, IMO it was a close fight, and basically the last bit DLH had in his tank, i had Mayweather winning at most 116-112, the Oscar that fought Vargas or Mosley in the rematch would have beaten Mayweather in a close fight and would have stopped Pacquiao within 8 rounds

He was only on the ropes for little segments of each round, yet somehow people think it nullifies the fact that inbetween those segments where he was caught on the ropes(and Oscar landed almost none of his punches) Mayweather was peppering him with shots. It wasn't that difficult of a night, and both Castillo fights were much tougher for Floyd and he got hit by much cleaner shots against JLC and Zab Judah.

It easy to look half decent against Mayweather to the untrained eye, but the fact of the matter is Oscar isn't good enough to beat Floyd. Maybe a prime Robinson or Leonard could do the trick, but not Oscar he just wasn't fast enough or good enough.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Oscar lost the fight to PBF, however the Oscar of 1999-2001 was a different story. At 147lb the Oscar of 2000 beats PBF! So does Mosley of the same year!

[El Kabong]

Yes, Oscar could beat Floyd a NUMBER of fighters could have beaten Floyd! But Floyd is very good and I think he could beat a number of solid fighters.

[Taeth]

Oscar lost the fight to PBF, however the Oscar of 1999-2001 was a different story. At 147lb the Oscar of 2000 beats PBF! So does Mosley of the same year!

How was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.

Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.

Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.

Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Oscar lost the fight to PBF, however the Oscar of 1999-2001 was a different story. At 147lb the Oscar of 2000 beats PBF! So does Mosley of the same year!

How was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.

Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.

Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.

Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.

dude that's the biggest load of bullshit, i can count the number of times a prime Oscar was hurt on one hand, he had a great chin and could take loads of punishment and yet still be effective

DLH's jab used to be a lot crisper when he was younger and he wouldn't just put it in your face, he would jab to the pit of the stomach and straight back to the head, pretty much what Mayweather did to Corrales

his speed was just as good as Mayweather's and his power was a lot better

if he'd pace himself he'd be able to rough up Mayweather enough to win a decision

[Taeth]

Oscar lost the fight to PBF, however the Oscar of 1999-2001 was a different story. At 147lb the Oscar of 2000 beats PBF! So does Mosley of the same year!

How was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.

Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.

Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.

Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.

dude that's the biggest load of bullshit, i can count the number of times a prime Oscar was hurt on one hand, he had a great chin and could take loads of punishment and yet still be effective

DLH's jab used to be a lot crisper when he was younger and he wouldn't just put it in your face, he would jab to the pit of the stomach and straight back to the head, pretty much what Mayweather did to Corrales

his speed was just as good as Mayweather's and his power was a lot better

if he'd pace himself he'd be able to rough up Mayweather enough to win a decision

Watch Oscar against Mayorga and then show me a more dominant fight for Oscar's jab.

You attack my validity, but you try and say that Oscar was ever as fast as Mayweather? That's a fucking joke. Just ask Genaro Hernandez who was faster, Mayweather is a lot faster than Oscar as was Mosley.

Oscar did have a great chin throughout his career, but punches did bother him more when he was younger. I can name the amount of times Mosley stunned him on one hand, but if you add up all the fights he was hurt a few times. Either way Mayweather couldn't stop Oscar in any version except maybe the one who faced Pacquiao.

But you're hate for Floyd and Manny is known by everyone on here. Just a little while ago you were arguing with me about how Marquez was better than Pacquiao. How MOrales would beat Mayweather at 130. Yet every time you are proven wrong.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

could he? yes. I thought he was doing well until he gassed and is when his best days are well behind him.

[albsur2006]

How was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.

Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.

Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.

Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.

dude that's the biggest load of bullshit, i can count the number of times a prime Oscar was hurt on one hand, he had a great chin and could take loads of punishment and yet still be effective

DLH's jab used to be a lot crisper when he was younger and he wouldn't just put it in your face, he would jab to the pit of the stomach and straight back to the head, pretty much what Mayweather did to Corrales

his speed was just as good as Mayweather's and his power was a lot better

if he'd pace himself he'd be able to rough up Mayweather enough to win a decision

Watch Oscar against Mayorga and then show me a more dominant fight for Oscar's jab.

You attack my validity, but you try and say that Oscar was ever as fast as Mayweather? That's a fucking joke. Just ask Genaro Hernandez who was faster, Mayweather is a lot faster than Oscar as was Mosley.

Oscar did have a great chin throughout his career, but punches did bother him more when he was younger. I can name the amount of times Mosley stunned him on one hand, but if you add up all the fights he was hurt a few times. Either way Mayweather couldn't stop Oscar in any version except maybe the one who faced Pacquiao.

But you're hate for Floyd and Manny is known by everyone on here. Just a little while ago you were arguing with me about how Marquez was better than Pacquiao. How MOrales would beat Mayweather at 130. Yet every time you are proven wrong.

Well let's be real here. Oscar's jab BETTER have looked good against Mayorga. If you wanted to point out that Oscar's jab wasn't ALL that great, you should have pointed out the Ike Quartey (amazing fight btw) where Oscar was shocked when Quartey had the better jab and Oscar's jab became less and less effective as the fight went on. Mayorga is pretty much a club fighter, good boxers can take him out of his depth. Well...except Vernon (RIP).

Mayweather was faster than Oscar though, even in Oscar's prime. Oscar's hands were very fast but Mayweather is just SO fast with his head movement and upper body movement it isn't even close in that regard.

I've never really cared for Oscar but the one thing that you can't take away from Oscar is his left hook and his chin. IMO, Oscar had one of the great chins of all time. Every fighter gets buzzed but I've never seen Oscar legitimately hurt once that I can remember. Against Mosley he just took some good shots but he was never in any danger of being knocked out ever.

But I'll agree, I don't see anyway Oscar beats Floyd. Now I do think that Floyd vs Mosley at 135 would have been a monster of a fight. Mosley would have been a fucking NIGHTMARE for anybody to fight at lightweight.

[ElTerribleMorales]

How was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.

Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.

Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.

Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.

dude that's the biggest load of bullshit, i can count the number of times a prime Oscar was hurt on one hand, he had a great chin and could take loads of punishment and yet still be effective

DLH's jab used to be a lot crisper when he was younger and he wouldn't just put it in your face, he would jab to the pit of the stomach and straight back to the head, pretty much what Mayweather did to Corrales

his speed was just as good as Mayweather's and his power was a lot better

if he'd pace himself he'd be able to rough up Mayweather enough to win a decision

Watch Oscar against Mayorga and then show me a more dominant fight for Oscar's jab.

You attack my validity, but you try and say that Oscar was ever as fast as Mayweather? That's a fucking joke. Just ask Genaro Hernandez who was faster, Mayweather is a lot faster than Oscar as was Mosley.

Oscar did have a great chin throughout his career, but punches did bother him more when he was younger. I can name the amount of times Mosley stunned him on one hand, but if you add up all the fights he was hurt a few times. Either way Mayweather couldn't stop Oscar in any version except maybe the one who faced Pacquiao.

But you're hate for Floyd and Manny is known by everyone on here. Just a little while ago you were arguing with me about how Marquez was better than Pacquiao. How MOrales would beat Mayweather at 130. Yet every time you are proven wrong.

i'm one of the few who've been defending Mayweather, so might wanna read up a bit more before you end up with your foot in your mouth like you usually do, Marquez is the better fighter of the two when they're at an equal field, and especially now that the roid speculations are buzzing around, Mayweather at 130 isn't the Mayweather of today, so it's not farfetched to believe that the Morales that fought at 130 would have beaten the Mayweather that fought at 130, Castillo basically beat him the first time around, and Castillo couldn't hold Morales' jockstrap when it came down to actual skill, your love for both fighters always leads to the same thing, you saying that both are invincible

[THE THIRD MAN]

Oscar lost the fight to PBF, however the Oscar of 1999-2001 was a different story. At 147lb the Oscar of 2000 beats PBF! So does Mosley of the same year!

How was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.

Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.

Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.

Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.

I don't doubt Mayweather's skills, he is the best defensive fighter i have ever seen. I just don't think he would have handled both Oscar and Mosley in their primes at 147lb. Check out DLH V Mosley 1 and tell me Floyd would beat them both?

[sanchez786]

Had Oscar stuck to his jab as he did the first few rounds, then absolutely.

[Myk_Myk]

Had Oscar stuck to his jab as he did the first few rounds, then absolutely.

This is what I always thought too, and I've said before that I've wondered how much ODLH's pride cost him in two of the biggest fights at the end of his career. Maybe Taeth is right and it was PBF's right counters that put an end to ODLH's jab, but somehow I got the impression that Oscar was too self-conscious to win a fight on his jab alone. It just seemed like he thought he had to land more impressive punches to not have people be disappointed or critical.

Then as evidence that that idea is not so far fetched, he comes in light and doesn't rehydrate after weigh-in for Pac...

So, I actually think it was in his power to win the fight he actually had with PBF, unless Taeth really is right about the counters making him shy away from the jab.