Do you think Pacquiao is a drugs cheat?

[:::PSL:::]

If Pac is a drug cheat, then so all the NSAC fighters that they've tested.

[AdamGB]

A lot of them probably are.

Said it before and I'll say it again: welcome to the world of profesional sports.

For the sake of boxing I hope he isn't... but the way he has behaved has raised serious question marks.

[Gandalf]

A lot of them probably are.

Said it before and I'll say it again: welcome to the world of profesional sports.

For the sake of boxing I hope he isn't... but the way he has behaved has raised serious question marks.

Pretty much the way I am thinking too.

Positive or not, the actions of him and his camp have left me cynical. He could have handled this so much better and instead he is acting like a retard. I'm bored with it all now. All we wanted was a fight and instead we got a low budget BBC drama.

[TitoFan]

I've become a fan of Pacquiao (see: DLH, Hatton) because of his humility, and the new fans he's brought to boxing. (The fact that he humiliated DLH and slaughtered Hatton doesn't hurt, either). BUT... public perception is critical in professional sports, such as boxing. And truthfully, no matter HOW annoying Camp Mayweather is with all their outlandish requests (and I don't like Mayweather's blatant ducking record, either)... the truth of the matter is that the public now perceives Pacquiao as having something to hide. Hey... if you're clean, you shouldn't object to ANY kind of testing. And please don't use the lame excuse that a test tube full of blood taken before the fight is going to drain you and cause you to lose. That's an insult to our intelligence. If you REALLY want to fight PBF and you're clean... accept the damn testing and let's get on with it. But by not accepting it, the public perception - rightly or wrongly - is that Pac is a drug cheat. Such is the truth about public perception.

[Macho]

Well , i cant say yes , but if he don't accept to make the test , probably create a doubt and a bad perception in all what he reached , why he wont make the test ? , because if he doesn't have any done with drugs he can demonstrate to the world that theres no suspicious , in this case he can Shot the Mayweather mouth , so IMO is sad to hear this , but now i think he have to make something take out this spot , he is a good boxer and i wont see that this issue convert as the same as Margacheato did

[15rounder]

I'm having my suspicions about Pac-man right now. But I'm not going to say he's using anything until he's actually found guilty.

[ElTerribleMorales]

i'm in the same position that i was in when Margarito was caught, i'm not really sure if Pacquiao is cheating, and i'm not one to fully throw the claim of calling a man a cheater, especially when it affects his means to make a living, right now it looks bad, but i won't say that he is cheating or not, i think theres a clear possibility especially given how he's handling the situation, but right now it's pretty back and forth

[Chrislfc17]

Hello all,

This is my first post and thought I would add my opinion.

My thoughts mirror a couple of other posters on here. For the sake of boxing I really hope he hasn't been taking PED's. Boxing seems to be rising in popularity at the minute and Manny is one of the reasons for this. If he's guilty of taking PED's then it will really tarnish this sport.

Manny's been in some great fights and I've come to admire him for the way he fights and his behaviour outside of the ring. For me, there is still no conclusive evidence that PAC has been taking anything other than a few people making some noises. That's not enough to go on for me to call someone a cheat. However his reluctance to take these tests does raise some eyebrows and the fuss that he's kicking up certainly looks like someone who "may" have something to hide. He could have other motives for not wanting to take the tests. I'm not a professional athlete so I wouldn't understand these, but to me, they do seem pretty feeble excuses.

I don't have the first idea about PED's and testing but hasn't Manny come out and said he will give 3 blood tests? One when the fight is announced, one 30 days before the fight and the last one coming straight after the fight? I'm sure someone who is more clued up on PED's might put me straight here but if the statement PAC said was true about taking the 3 tests is there anyway he could take PED's between training, flush it out of his system 30 days before the fight and then take them again and flush them out in time for after the fight without being detected?

Ultimately it seems like a lot of fuss other something fairly insignificant but I'm of the stance that someone is innocent until proven guilty. Manny hasn't been found guilty of taking PED's and although his attitude to this is somewhat strange I'm going to say (and hope - for the sake of boxing) that PAC is innocent.

I'm still confident this fight will go ahead!! Come on Manny, sort it out!

[killersheep]

Hello all,

This is my first post and thought I would add my opinion.

My thoughts mirror a couple of other posters on here. For the sake of boxing I really hope he hasn't been taking PED's. Boxing seems to be rising in popularity at the minute and Manny is one of the reasons for this. If he's guilty of taking PED's then it will really tarnish this sport.

Manny's been in some great fights and I've come to admire him for the way he fights and his behaviour outside of the ring. For me, there is still no conclusive evidence that PAC has been taking anything other than a few people making some noises. That's not enough to go on for me to call someone a cheat. However his reluctance to take these tests does raise some eyebrows and the fuss that he's kicking up certainly looks like someone who "may" have something to hide. He could have other motives for not wanting to take the tests. I'm not a professional athlete so I wouldn't understand these, but to me, they do seem pretty feeble excuses.

I don't have the first idea about PED's and testing but hasn't Manny come out and said he will give 3 blood tests? One when the fight is announced, one 30 days before the fight and the last one coming straight after the fight? I'm sure someone who is more clued up on PED's might put me straight here but if the statement PAC said was true about taking the 3 tests is there anyway he could take PED's between training, flush it out of his system 30 days before the fight and then take them again and flush them out in time for after the fight without being detected?

Ultimately it seems like a lot of fuss other something fairly insignificant but I'm of the stance that someone is innocent until proven guilty. Manny hasn't been found guilty of taking PED's and although his attitude to this is somewhat strange I'm going to say (and hope - for the sake of boxing) that PAC is innocent.

I'm still confident this fight will go ahead!! Come on Manny, sort it out!

Welcome to Saddoboxing hope you enjoy your stay. The specifics of cycling certain PEDs have been listed on other posts here recently and should be very easy to find. I think we share the same viewpoint on Pacquiao. I just hope Manny takes the random blood tests which are really no big deal and we get the fight made.

[JJson]

Well it matters not if all other fighters are using PEDs. All other fighters are not in this negotiation. This is about MP and PBF. If the consensus is that all other boxers as using roids as an enhancement, the more reason to upgrade the testing process in a mega fight that will focus full attention on the issue

The supporters of MP have no leg to stand upon. It is looney to criticize PBF for raising bar that he also has to hurdle. If MP will be weakened by the taking of blood close to the fight, then so too will PBF. Perhaps there should be a condition that any ranom testing must be of both fighters at the same time.

This issue has become like Hans Christian Anderson's tale about the Emperor and his invisible garments. MP is the Emperor, and his trainer and promoter represent the tailor who has adorned him with magnificent garments that they claim can only be seen by the most knowledgeable of Boxing fans. PBF, GBP and PM represent the little kid standing and pointing at the Emperor's nakedness, and shouting this out for all to hear.

[Kirkland Laing]

Anybody who followed baseball through the steriod scandals can see the same pattern here. The outraged denials pointing to the fact that they'd never tested positive previously. The claims that the improved performance-weight gain was just down to hard work in the gym. The existence of a "personal trainer" who appeared the same time that the performance started to improve. The retreat behind lawyers, the issuing of lawsuits. The ridiculous excuses when facts come out, scared of needles, weakened by losing a teaspoon of blood etc. I've seen this movie before.