The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao

[Lance Uppercut]

I also have become disillusioned with Pacquiao's bizare refusal to submit to random blood test.
Everyone just wants a fair fight.

[arcanum26]

I also have become disillusioned with Pacquiao's bizare refusal to submit to random blood test.
Everyone just wants a fair fight.

I'm telling you man, if you're disillusioned, think about how millions of filipino pac supporters are feeling right now. I mean now that manny and his camp are resorting to all kinds of bs just to... hell I don't even know what they hope to accomplish with the path they're taking now. everything's going downhill for them and the steps they're taking aren't helping them out a bit.

I'm still rooting for manny, no doubt about that. Hope he gets through all of this and the tests if they're ever made comes out negative for both of them. I'm not saying this because I want him to be an ATG or even the GOAT. Just thinking about all the poor sods back here in the philippines who's going to get shattered when they learn that their people's champ isn't what they thought he'd be. Sadly, that includes me..

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I also have become disillusioned with Pacquiao's bizare refusal to submit to random blood test.
Everyone just wants a fair fight.

I'm telling you man, if you're disillusioned, think about how millions of filipino pac supporters are feeling right now. I mean now that manny and his camp are resorting to all kinds of bs just to... hell I don't even know what they hope to accomplish with the path they're taking now. everything's going downhill for them and the steps they're taking aren't helping them out a bit.

I'm still rooting for manny, no doubt about that. Hope he gets through all of this and the tests if they're ever made comes out negative for both of them. I'm not saying this because I want him to be an ATG or even the GOAT. Just thinking about all the poor sods back here in the philippines who's going to get shattered when they learn that their people's champ isn't what they thought he'd be. Sadly, that includes me..

I agree with ya, man.

Interesting note-

I left my RING magazine on my desk at work today that I picked up last night. I don't know if you guys have it yet but the cover pictures Manny with a title "The Secret of Manny's Magic"

Someone, while I was away from my desk, put a sticky note right under the title that simply says, "PEDs".

Now, there's no one at my workplay that is more then a casual boxing fan. This is now hitting the mainstream and waves are being made.

I'm not happy about it one bit.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

It does pretty much look apparent that Pacquiao is taking PEDs but I will hold at 'Inocent until proven otherwise'...

For all we know(which is highly unlikely do to the brutal mud dragging that his reputation is going through) he is just breaking Floyd's balls(again, highly unlikely)

I'm not one to accuse when there is no proof except the fact there's no proof...

The only thing we're going on is the fact that he's not taking the tests as Mayweather wants him to. It pains me to see it as it's making him look like a cheater that could put the blackest eye on boxing in a long time which is exactly JUST what the sport DOES NOT need.

If he would just adhere to the tests we could be done with all this... Why would he not?... The only answer I can come up with is cuz he's cheating...

But I cannot call him a cheater until it's proven.

Until then Pacquiao will sit attop my P4P list reluctantly.

[killersheep]

It does pretty much look apparent that Pacquiao is taking PEDs but I will hold at 'Inocent until proven otherwise'...

For all we know(which is highly unlikely do to the brutal mud dragging that his reputation is going through) he is just breaking Floyd's balls(again, highly unlikely)

I'm not one to accuse when there is no proof except the fact there's no proof...

The only thing we're going on is the fact that he's not taking the tests as Mayweather wants him to. It pains me to see it as it's making him look like a cheater that could put the blackest eye on boxing in a long time which is exactly JUST what the sport DOES NOT need.

If he would just adhere to the tests we could be done with all this... Why would he not?... The only answer I can come up with is cuz he's cheating...

But I cannot call him a cheater until it's proven.

Until then Pacquiao will sit attop my P4P list reluctantly.

The fact remains "Pacquiao is not fighting because of a drug test", if this was because of defamation of character the negotiations for the fight would not have even had a chance to start because Mayweather Sr.'s statement was made after the Hatton fight.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

It does pretty much look apparent that Pacquiao is taking PEDs but I will hold at 'Inocent until proven otherwise'...

For all we know(which is highly unlikely do to the brutal mud dragging that his reputation is going through) he is just breaking Floyd's balls(again, highly unlikely)

I'm not one to accuse when there is no proof except the fact there's no proof...

The only thing we're going on is the fact that he's not taking the tests as Mayweather wants him to. It pains me to see it as it's making him look like a cheater that could put the blackest eye on boxing in a long time which is exactly JUST what the sport DOES NOT need.

If he would just adhere to the tests we could be done with all this... Why would he not?... The only answer I can come up with is cuz he's cheating...

But I cannot call him a cheater until it's proven.

Until then Pacquiao will sit attop my P4P list reluctantly.

The fact remains "Pacquiao is not fighting because of a drug test", if this was because of defamation of character the negotiations for the fight would not have even had a chance to start because Mayweather Sr.'s statement was made after the Hatton fight.

Indeed.

I just can't be ripping guys off my P4P list due to allegations, though. I recognize this and I do, in fact, think he's hiding something... But with no proof, I need to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not fair to be witch hunting and tossing people into rivers to see if they float without proof. Do I deep down think he's taking PEDs? At this point in time... Yes. But again, thinking and knowing are two separate things.

[killersheep]

It does pretty much look apparent that Pacquiao is taking PEDs but I will hold at 'Inocent until proven otherwise'...

For all we know(which is highly unlikely do to the brutal mud dragging that his reputation is going through) he is just breaking Floyd's balls(again, highly unlikely)

I'm not one to accuse when there is no proof except the fact there's no proof...

The only thing we're going on is the fact that he's not taking the tests as Mayweather wants him to. It pains me to see it as it's making him look like a cheater that could put the blackest eye on boxing in a long time which is exactly JUST what the sport DOES NOT need.

If he would just adhere to the tests we could be done with all this... Why would he not?... The only answer I can come up with is cuz he's cheating...

But I cannot call him a cheater until it's proven.

Until then Pacquiao will sit attop my P4P list reluctantly.

The fact remains "Pacquiao is not fighting because of a drug test", if this was because of defamation of character the negotiations for the fight would not have even had a chance to start because Mayweather Sr.'s statement was made after the Hatton fight.

Indeed.

I just can't be ripping guys off my P4P list due to allegations, though. I recognize this and I do, in fact, think he's hiding something... But with no proof, I need to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not fair to be witch hunting and tossing people into rivers to see if they float without proof. Do I deep down think he's taking PEDs? At this point in time... Yes. But again, thinking and knowing are two separate things.

I'm right there with you man, I have not accused him of taking PEDs, but I think I have made my suspicions brought about by his reactions clear. I'm accusing him of backing out of a fight, choosing the courtroom instead of the ring.

[Dizaster]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

With all the 'roids talk, you avoided being attacked for having Floyd number 1 in the first place...

[brucelee]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

With all the 'roids talk, you avoided being attacked for having Floyd number 1 in the first place...

Now that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?

So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL

Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.

[Gandalf]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

With all the 'roids talk, you avoided being attacked for having Floyd number 1 in the first place...

Now that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?

So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL

Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.

Since when has Manny agreed to Olympic style random blood testing?

[brucelee]

With all the 'roids talk, you avoided being attacked for having Floyd number 1 in the first place...

Now that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?

So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL

Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.

Since when has Manny agreed to Olympic style random blood testing?

I've watched it from a Philippine TV. Manny is saying that he will undergo any test.

[brucelee]

With all the 'roids talk, you avoided being attacked for having Floyd number 1 in the first place...

Now that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?

So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL

Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.

Since when has Manny agreed to Olympic style random blood testing?

I've watched it from a Philippine TV. Manny is saying that he will undergo any test.

[generalbulldog]

Now that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?

So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL

Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.

Since when has Manny agreed to Olympic style random blood testing?

I've watched it from a Philippine TV. Manny is saying that he will undergo any test.

So he says he will undergo the Olympic style drug testing? Is that correct?

[Rantcatrat]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

How can you ever put Shane on the list? It has been proven Shane took steroids.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

This is ridiculous. You make it sound like you saw him stick a needle labled steroids in his arm. You dont live with Pacquiao, train with him, eat with him ect... Your painting a label over him as fact and you know nothing more than anyone else about his personal life. The fact that Manny doesnt want to take random blood testing prooves nothing. Who likes getting a big gauge needle stuck in their arm when they dont have to anyways? Before you paint Manny Pacquiao as a PED using cheater you need to get some proof because your instincts are useless as wet toilet paper.