The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao

[Julius Rain]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan.
So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back
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[Waleed]

Mosley was proven to have used steroid and yet he was treated like it wasn't his fault but pac on mere suspicion was treated guilty.

[killersheep]

Mosley was proven to have used steroid and yet he was treated like it wasn't his fault but pac on mere suspicion was treated guilty.

You have already established you don't care about others views on here. So now that that's out of the way we are looking at Mayweather's camp. Mayweather's father thinks Pacquiao is using PEDs. Wouldn't it stand to reason to request a test to prove otherwise?

I agree stricter drug testing should be in place for people that have tested positive OR been indicted on PED charges, like Jones Jr., Mosley etc. etc..

And at the heart of this we are getting back to stricter drug testing should be implemented sport wide. Remember Mosley never tested positive, even though we know for a fact he was using PEDs, and that was using the same standard as they are using for this fight.

Why would you not want better tests to prove that athletes are fighting clean?

The argument that this has never been done before in boxing is a weak one as well because, guess what? The people making, masking and using PEDs in more sophisticated methods every day making current methods not quite obsolete, but less reliable. Drug testing is and always will be aimed at a moving target. If the method is not improved, constantly reevaluated and updated to keep up with the times it becomes practically useless.

[Manju]

I think its safe to say Pac engenders much more passion in his fans than PBF. PBF, like Sweat Pea, is a great technician but hardly a passionate fighter. Indeed, PBF's abrasive personality further alienates him from fans above and beyond his cold scientific tactics. He's not a charismatic crossover star like Ali, SRL, or ODLH; nor is he a human highlight real like roy jones. If anything, he's not given the benefit of the doubt...because he not that likeable.

Pac in contrast is like JCC: a valiant warrior who taps into the primitive appeal that is boxing. On top of that he has a huge nationalistic and identity based following, very similar to Chavez. I think its therefore very difficult for Pac fans to see the situation objectively. There's too much emotion involved.

I find it very unlikely, short of new developments, that history will blame PBF if this fight fails to materialize. Regardless or whether or not we think Pac is cheating, and I don't think he is, his legacy will take a great hit if he fails to fight his most worthy opponent.

[Violent Demise]

The ignorance on this forum has no limits. I'll just chill and continue

[boozeboxer]

The ignorance on this forum has no limits. I'll just chill and continue

you respond with a picture of a man fishing?

[Violent Demise]

The ignorance on this forum has no limits. I'll just chill and continue

you respond with a picture of a man fishing?

The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.

[boozeboxer]

The ignorance on this forum has no limits. I'll just chill and continue

you respond with a picture of a man fishing?

The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.

Obviously went over my head? It looks like the time I have been away you have spent driving a minivan and hating Pac playing gangster than anything else. I believe I have read and understood everything on this thread. I was just pointing out that if someone had responded to one of your posts with a gay ass picture of someone fishing, you would have responded negatively.

[Violent Demise]

you respond with a picture of a man fishing?

The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.

Obviously went over my head? It looks like the time I have been away you have spent driving a minivan and hating Pac playing gangster than anything else. I believe I have read and understood everything on this thread. I was just pointing out that if someone had responded to one of your posts with a gay ass picture of someone fishing, you would have responded negatively.

Is it possible for one to actually dedicated themselves full time to school for an extended period of time and actually come out dumber than before? The old booze would of known I was fishing for flips

[josef4334]

The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.

Obviously went over my head? It looks like the time I have been away you have spent driving a minivan and hating Pac playing gangster than anything else. I believe I have read and understood everything on this thread. I was just pointing out that if someone had responded to one of your posts with a gay ass picture of someone fishing, you would have responded negatively.

Is it possible for one to actually dedicated themselves full time to school for an extended period of time and actually come out dumber than before? The old booze would of known I was fishing for flips

at least he learned not to say "would of" and racist terms such as flips.

[amat]

Law school must rob you of the ability to grasp even the most obvious of sarcasm. Is that Booze or Bruce?

[:::PSL:::]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan.
So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back
.

:VD: __________________________________________________ ____
__________________________________________________ ___
_________ _________ _________

Bump...

Holyshite!

[Julius Rain]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan.
So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back
.

:VD: __________________________________________________ ____
__________________________________________________ ___
_________ _________ _________

Bump...

Holyshite!

haha after reading the first sentence I already knew this was full with bull shit.

[Violent Demise]

Outstanding thread, if I do say so myself. Violent D never been hesitant to criticize his favorites. Pacquiao is no exception. It actually pained me to make this thread. But it had to be done

[InTheNeutralCorner]

So Violent Demise, after the collapse of the last Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation, what is your "Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao"?