Welcome back Kelly Pavlik

[Diane]

I call him a punk because he had been on the right track fighting threats and then he (like Sturm and Abraham before the super6) just started fighting bums....Lockett, Epsino who the fuck are they

Kelly got his ass whupped 1 time and he's been sulking about it ever since then....I think mentally he's shot, we've seen it before where a fighter loses once and they can't cope with it so they continue to look poor and lose fights....well Kelly is now on that path.

I think Williams could beat Kelly but I KNOW Martinez would

I agree, I think Martinez would beat Pavlik, and we may get the chance to see it, because I heard that there are already talks for the fight to happen in April. I guess HBO is pushing for it, because I think that they know that a fight between Pavlik and Williams will probably never happen. Williams wants 50% of the purse, because of everything that has happened, and no way will Pavlik and Top Rank agree to that. Plus, it's pretty obvious that HBO has taken to Martinez, and want to get him some more fights on their network.

I used to be a big fan of Pavlik, especially since he's a local guy, but I lost pretty much all my respect for him by how extremely unprofessional he was during this past year. Of course for me personally, the issue at the top of my list is the way he bitched out of the SIGNED contract he had with Sergio Mora.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I call him a punk because he had been on the right track fighting threats and then he (like Sturm and Abraham before the super6) just started fighting bums....Lockett, Epsino who the fuck are they

Kelly got his ass whupped 1 time and he's been sulking about it ever since then....I think mentally he's shot, we've seen it before where a fighter loses once and they can't cope with it so they continue to look poor and lose fights....well Kelly is now on that path.

I think Williams could beat Kelly but I KNOW Martinez would

I agree, I think Martinez would beat Pavlik, and we may get the chance to see it, because I heard that there are already talks for the fight to happen in April. I guess HBO is pushing for it, because I think that they know that a fight between Pavlik and Williams will probably never happen. Williams wants 50% of the purse, because of everything that has happened, and no way will Pavlik and Top Rank agree to that. Plus, it's pretty obvious that HBO has taken to Martinez, and want to get him some more fights on their network.

I used to be a big fan of Pavlik, especially since he's a local guy, but I lost pretty much all my respect for him by how extremely unprofessional he was during this past year. Of course for me personally, the issue at the top of my list is the way he bitched out of the SIGNED contract he had with Sergio Mora.

Martinez is a beast! It's sad we're all just seeing it now(meaning as of Cintron through the fight with Williams)... He was a hidden tresure to people like myself... I'm sure there's gonna be alot of shit talkers on here that are gonna pop off at the mouth that they knew all about Sergio Martinez a long time ago... Whatever.. Fact is, I knew his name, his record and that's it... When he KNOCKED OUT CINTRON... He opened my eyes... Great boxer... great poise... loose... comfortable... solid boxer... Then came the Williams bout... FUCKING BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO MATINEZ's career! God bless Martinez! He took a fight at a catch weight agaist a deamon of a fighter. Sad it's happened so late. I know he lost to Margarito but he is not the same fighter... Not at all... I've seen that fight. Martinez is the best natural jr middleweight in the world...

[Mr140]

Ok all i got to say is this, i think people are overrating Paul and Martinz. I mean sure there good fighters, but they both are there to be hit Paul the most. Also neither has faced a truth prime middle weight either. I can see Pavlik knocking both out at middle weight if it happens. Also just because Hopkins beat Pavlik doesn't mean these to fighters can. That fight was at 170 and Hopkins is more talented then both combined pretty much. Either way won't even know till the fight gets made, so guess we got to wait.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Ok all i got to say is this, i think people are overrating Paul and Martinz. I mean sure there good fighters, but they both are there to be hit Paul the most. Also neither has faced a truth prime middle weight either. I can see Pavlik knocking both out at middle weight if it happens. Also just because Hopkins beat Pavlik doesn't mean these to fighters can. That fight was at 170 and Hopkins is more talented then both combined pretty much. Either way won't even know till the fight gets made, so guess we got to wait.

I don't think people are over rating them at this juncture, but giving them what they deserve... Two crowd pleasing guys who both have good skills that no one really wants to fight that put on a good show... I don't see huge Martinez or Williams contingents growing... I just see people giving them their due. Agreed on the not fought a prime middleweight front.

[Youngblood]

This is Kelly's make or break year. Let's face it, he had a terrible year last year both in and out of the ring. Moreso out. Yea he has demons. But who doesn't? The question is, can he control them and overcome them?

I suppose we'll find out. The true measure of Pavlik will be how he handles the adversity. How he conducts himself in and out of the ring this year. I haven't given up on him, like I see so many others have. I think he deserves another chance. I think he is capable and has redeeming qualities. Hopefully he does too.

If he screws it up, then he never appreciated the opportunity he had. Much as I believe a majority of boxing fans are fickle and can't wait to bag on and drop a fighter for another or jump on the haterade train, in some cases it is deservedly so. I don't think he is there yet. But after this year we'll see.

I'm still rooting for him.

[El Kabong]

You have to wonder if Hopkins just laid out the blueprint on how to beat the guy for everyone to see, or if Kelly i sjust feeling like that. I think Jermain Taylor gave him a good run in the rematch and had JT not been so damaged from the battles with Hopkins and the previous KO I could assure you he would have beaten Pavlik. JT just faded out quick, and sometimes that happens to "The man that follows the man".

I think the major issues for Kelly are: he's not fighting often enough, he's in a deadzone in Youngstown, he's gotten thoroughly schooled, and Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez are VERY dangerous fighters right now both could not only beat Pavlik but knock him out, and I think another issue is there's no where for Kelly to run, he's looked like shit above 160...I mean bad enough to the point where you could see a mediocre fighter at 168 totally school him and if that doesn't get fixed 2010 could be Kelly Pavlik's LAST year of boxing especially if he takes another loss as bad or worse than the Hopkins loss.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

You have to wonder if Hopkins just laid out the blueprint on how to beat the guy for everyone to see, or if Kelly i sjust feeling like that. I think Jermain Taylor gave him a good run in the rematch and had JT not been so damaged from the battles with Hopkins and the previous KO I could assure you he would have beaten Pavlik. JT just faded out quick, and sometimes that happens to "The man that follows the man".

I think the major issues for Kelly are: he's not fighting often enough, he's in a deadzone in Youngstown, he's gotten thoroughly schooled, and Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez are VERY dangerous fighters right now both could not only beat Pavlik but knock him out, and I think another issue is there's no where for Kelly to run, he's looked like shit above 160...I mean bad enough to the point where you could see a mediocre fighter at 168 totally school him and if that doesn't get fixed 2010 could be Kelly Pavlik's LAST year of boxing especially if he takes another loss as bad or worse than the Hopkins loss.

Hard to take a worse loss than that... I mean, that was a Lacy/ Calzaghe like schooling... I think the only difference was the huge contingent(including me) that thought Lacy was gonna decapitate Joe. Taking anywhere close to another schooling like that would ruin any elite fighter.

[JonnyFolds]

I call him a punk because he had been on the right track fighting threats and then he (like Sturm and Abraham before the super6) just started fighting bums....Lockett, Epsino who the fuck are they

Kelly got his ass whupped 1 time and he's been sulking about it ever since then....I think mentally he's shot, we've seen it before where a fighter loses once and they can't cope with it so they continue to look poor and lose fights....well Kelly is now on that path.

I think Williams could beat Kelly but I KNOW Martinez would

I agree, I think Martinez would beat Pavlik, and we may get the chance to see it, because I heard that there are already talks for the fight to happen in April. I guess HBO is pushing for it, because I think that they know that a fight between Pavlik and Williams will probably never happen. Williams wants 50% of the purse, because of everything that has happened, and no way will Pavlik and Top Rank agree to that. Plus, it's pretty obvious that HBO has taken to Martinez, and want to get him some more fights on their network.

I used to be a big fan of Pavlik, especially since he's a local guy, but I lost pretty much all my respect for him by how extremely unprofessional he was during this past year. Of course for me personally, the issue at the top of my list is the way he bitched out of the SIGNED contract he had with Sergio Mora.

Martinez is a beast! It's sad we're all just seeing it now(meaning as of Cintron through the fight with Williams)... He was a hidden tresure to people like myself... I'm sure there's gonna be alot of shit talkers on here that are gonna pop off at the mouth that they knew all about Sergio Martinez a long time ago... Whatever.. Fact is, I knew his name, his record and that's it... When he KNOCKED OUT CINTRON... He opened my eyes... Great boxer... great poise... loose... comfortable... solid boxer... Then came the Williams bout... FUCKING BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO MATINEZ's career! God bless Martinez! He took a fight at a catch weight agaist a deamon of a fighter. Sad it's happened so late. I know he lost to Margarito but he is not the same fighter... Not at all... I've seen that fight. Martinez is the best natural jr middleweight in the world...

I am 100% sure that Martinez fought to a highly controversial DRAW with Cintron... But the rest of the post is very, very true. So many people are going to talk like they always knew what Martinez was about, but unless you are from Argentina you'd never have known. He has quickly become one of my favorite fighters overnight!

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I agree, I think Martinez would beat Pavlik, and we may get the chance to see it, because I heard that there are already talks for the fight to happen in April. I guess HBO is pushing for it, because I think that they know that a fight between Pavlik and Williams will probably never happen. Williams wants 50% of the purse, because of everything that has happened, and no way will Pavlik and Top Rank agree to that. Plus, it's pretty obvious that HBO has taken to Martinez, and want to get him some more fights on their network.

I used to be a big fan of Pavlik, especially since he's a local guy, but I lost pretty much all my respect for him by how extremely unprofessional he was during this past year. Of course for me personally, the issue at the top of my list is the way he bitched out of the SIGNED contract he had with Sergio Mora.

Martinez is a beast! It's sad we're all just seeing it now(meaning as of Cintron through the fight with Williams)... He was a hidden tresure to people like myself... I'm sure there's gonna be alot of shit talkers on here that are gonna pop off at the mouth that they knew all about Sergio Martinez a long time ago... Whatever.. Fact is, I knew his name, his record and that's it... When he KNOCKED OUT CINTRON... He opened my eyes... Great boxer... great poise... loose... comfortable... solid boxer... Then came the Williams bout... FUCKING BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO MATINEZ's career! God bless Martinez! He took a fight at a catch weight agaist a deamon of a fighter. Sad it's happened so late. I know he lost to Margarito but he is not the same fighter... Not at all... I've seen that fight. Martinez is the best natural jr middleweight in the world...

I am 100% sure that Martinez fought to a highly controversial DRAW with Cintron... But the rest of the post is very, very true. So many people are going to talk like they always knew what Martinez was about, but unless you are from Argentina you'd never have known. He has quickly become one of my favorite fighters overnight!

Yup, that's what his record says but the fans know Cintron lost that fight like 3 times that night.

[JonnyFolds]

I think people are SO hypercritical when it comes to fighters. Nobody can even challenge Pavlik right now and that bothers everyone. So why don't you all juts hate Hopkins for beating him? I mean he's the one who let the air outta the balloon for everyone?

And Hopkins.. can you call Orneleus a real opponent? A man who made his career 2 divisions below where he fought BHop? I have more hate in my heart for Hop based on him still trying to get the RJJ fight than anything else in boxing.

I think it's pretty obvious that he would rather face a B+ opponent with a recently injured hand that Williams. Is that not logical to you guys? I think he didn't really consider what a douche he would look like as he dragged negotiations on with Pwill for all that time. And now, it has affect the most important thing to him... his fans!!!

Pavlik will bounce back from the Hopkins loss. Hopefully he learned something, and he will fight on his toes more from now on. We'll see... but it's pretty sad everyone is so willing to write him off for what you call a top 5 P4P fighter. Personally I don't see Hopkins as that good, so I should be taking the loss with more weight than anyone else out there.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I think people are SO hypercritical when it comes to fighters. Nobody can even challenge Pavlik right now and that bothers everyone. So why don't you all juts hate Hopkins for beating him? I mean he's the one who let the air outta the balloon for everyone?

And Hopkins.. can you call Orneleus a real opponent? A man who made his career 2 divisions below where he fought BHop? I have more hate in my heart for Hop based on him still trying to get the RJJ fight than anything else in boxing.

I think it's pretty obvious that he would rather face a B+ opponent with a recently injured hand that Williams. Is that not logical to you guys? I think he didn't really consider what a douche he would look like as he dragged negotiations on with Pwill for all that time. And now, it has affect the most important thing to him... his fans!!!

Pavlik will bounce back from the Hopkins loss. Hopefully he learned something, and he will fight on his toes more from now on. We'll see... but it's pretty sad everyone is so willing to write him off for what you call a top 5 P4P fighter. Personally I don't see Hopkins as that good, so I should be taking the loss with more weight than anyone else out there.

Yeah, Kelly has had a tough year out of the ring... I'm more irritated with that then anything. Like I said before, he was fine to defend his ABC straps but not to fight paul... Look, nomatter how you cut it he looks like a douche. I'm not writing Kelly off but he's got to show me he still wants to be champion. I'll give him '10 and then make my dicision... He needs to cut out the drinking and punching guys in the nuts in bars and shit... Leave that to me... I got it covered.