Well someone here said that Victor Conte stated Pac was using EPO for his stamina. I disagree with that part. The thread starter is right on 1 thing and that is Pac never had a problem with stamina. I remember ICB started a thread and posted a video of Pac fighting for the WBC FLyweight championship when he was 19, although he was still very raw, you can still see the agression and him continously throwing 80-90 punches per round until the opponent was knockout. And at that time Roach and Ariza were not part of his team. Unless someone here is going to suggest those Fillipino cornermen were supplying him with EPO at that time?