Last edited by Jimmy G-Force; 01-02-2010 at 03:48 PM.
Some people say boxing is a matter of life or death, it's not, it's far more important than that.
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imo, MP was "rubbed the wrong way".
consider the timing - MP's birthday dec17, and christmas season here in the philippines, MP is very very busy with family and friends etc.
He also had to deal with: 1) showbizness-his wapakman entry to the film festival. (it flopped) and 2) politics -May2010 elections.
so many distractions, so much on this simple guy's mind then here comes the drugtesting demand from the mayweather camp.
Manny beating Oscar I can understand. Oscar was a shell of his former self fighting at a weight he hadn't been at for a decade. He was dead at the weight, couldn't rehydrate and was basically a mobile punchbag. Hatton wasn't quite that far gone but far enough gone and from the first post in the thread it looks like the rumours about him getting beaten up by his sparring partners were true. But it's the Cotto fight that got me. Cotto definitely was on the slide but it's the way he got beaten up for the duration of the fight. It's like Cotto was the ex-106 pounder and Manny was the guy whose normal weight is over 160. I can accept the weight gain over the past five years, I'm aware he weighed around 140 in the ring for fights five years ago. I can accept he's improved a lot as a boxer over the last five years. But I'm having trouble accepting that he's kept his power and can beat up big elite welters. You just don't go from losing to a completely shot Erik Morales at 129 five years ago to beating up top welterweights without something going on.
Manny refuses to give us the proof that he's innocent. All he has to do is to give a few teaspoons of blood, yet he refuses to do it and is making endless ridiculous excuses for not doing so even though he's losing a $40 million payday and his reputation by continuing to refuse. Why won't he give us the proof?
Ikariam
Yepp, I've definitely come to the conclusion that everybody affiliated with Pacquaio is an asshole.
Hey, even head asshole Roach admitted that Pac wasn't the same guy he first met. Not saying that isn't the case with most famous people but you certainly don't expect to hear it from his trainer and it just seemed like a nice way of saying "Manny's a bit of a cunt these days"
I think one thing every boxing fan can universally agree on is the hope that both parties can put ego's aside and make this damn fight happen.
If it doesn't happen, when people ask me what I think the biggest robbery in boxing was? I'll reply with Manny Pacquaio vs Floyd Mayweather.
Interesting articles. I didn't realize that the urine test for EPO was just as useful as the blood test, however, EPO is only one of MANY performance enhancing drugs, more of which are being developed every year. It is still undeniable that some drugs are not detectable without random blood and urine testing, so the situation stays the same. Manny is refusing to fight because of drug tests. Period.
A demand that will need to come into fruition in the sport at some point anyway, unless we want it to become a roided-up joke like the WWE. Why should it not happen now? Why not set a good example for the future of the sport in the biggest fight of our generation? Oh wait.. that's right, because Manny's scarred or needles, or superstitious, or whatever the excuse is this week....
You could also say that the penalty fee of $10 million per pound in excess of the agreed weight is the first in the history of boxing, afaik. That's just the demand of manny and his camp.
Simply put, you can't use the excuse "fukc it, this has never been demanded before as terms in a boxing fight, so I won't do it". Much like all of manny and his camp's prior excuses as to why they won't take the random tests without any string attached.
If it's really just a matter of pride, then the fact still lingers. Manny's refusal to take the tests has created a reservoir of ill will and doubt amongst many boxing fans and has certainly produced a blemish in pac's image that won't easily be removed by going taking the issue to court.
It isn't so that everyone in boxing is juicing except for Manny (yeh right :P), he can rest assured that Floyd is undergoing exactly the same tests that he's having to do. If it's only about ego then Floyd and GBP have already bent on their idea of USADA testing to suit Manny. He can't have everything his way.
Also, by your logic, if this was suggested by anyone but MW (governing body maybe), it would be worthwhile? Well, everyone now wants to know if Manny's been using. Silence your critics Manny, take the damn tests.
Just to satisfy you.... Manny is waiting for Mayweather's decision now to accept the deal.
manny agreed to a random drug testing. period.
if you can't still accept that kind of testing, I don't know what will satisfy you.
or....
maybe mayweather's is truly ducking Pac now just as he has ducked Cotto and Margarito.
Don't tell me now that you're an expert on PEDs detection after I've shown you some links.
FACT is.... gayweather is making ludicrous demands as Pac had also made his.
This PED issue has to rest if the Gayweather camp really wants to pursue this fight.
Their deadline to make a decision is today.
Ikariam
The only thing you did was admit on another thread that you don't know anything about PED detection. The links that someone else posted only showed possible advancements in the detection of HGH and detection of EPO in urine tests. Even if both were true, those are only 2 of many PEDs. As usual your argument is weak... and again, do you have a link supporting your statement that Manny has accepted random blood testing? Are there no more little pre-madonna strings attached to this one?
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