No Proof That He's Guilty?

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Fact is that having no proof is not proof.

I like Manny but he is not my favorite fighter. I can remain somewhat unbias...

If I had to pick a side I'd say that I think Manny IS taking PEDs... But it ultimatly doesn't matter what I think... Nor has he ever tested positive.

If people don't like the current testing then petition the NSAC... Other then that, he's innocent until proven guilty.

Period.

[generalbulldog]

Perception is everything. In this day and age of athletes juicing in MLB, NBA, NFL, the Olympics, people will automatically assume you are guilty and it is up to the accused to prove he/she is innocent. That's just how it is in this day and age. Is it fair? No. But I'm sorry to say this but all of Manny's accomplishments are a question mark until eternity. It doesn't matter anymore if he takes the tests and passes them and wins. People will say he just wasn't on them at that time.

The public has decided Manny is guilty and his records and achievements are tainted. Same thing with Margarito.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Perception is everything. In this day and age of athletes juicing in MLB, NBA, NFL, the Olympics, people will automatically assume you are guilty and it is up to the accused to prove he/she is innocent. That's just how it is in this day and age. Is it fair? No. But I'm sorry to say this but all of Manny's accomplishments are a question mark until eternity. It doesn't matter anymore if he takes the tests and passes them and wins. People will say he just wasn't on them at that time.

The public has decided Manny is guilty and his records and achievements are tainted. Same thing with Margarito.

You are, indeed, correct and I agree. But as you stated above, it doesn't make it right. As I said, for all intents and purposes, I believe he has something to hide and in turn believe he's used PEDs but it doesn't make it so.

Until caught or admits to using PEDs he's not moving from my P4P list.

But that's me...

Manny has already hung himself.

[sanj16]

Fact is that having no proof is not proof.

I like Manny but he is not my favorite fighter. I can remain somewhat unbias...

If I had to pick a side I'd say that I think Manny IS taking PEDs... But it ultimatly doesn't matter what I think... Nor has he ever tested positive.

If people don't like the current testing then petition the NSAC... Other then that, he's innocent until proven guilty.

Period.

Agree with the above, but while you are not technically guilty, you cannot complain about boxing fans opinions, and boxing is all about opinions.
Its also makes it really difficult for his fans to defend him

[sanj16]

Fact is that having no proof is not proof.

I like Manny but he is not my favorite fighter. I can remain somewhat unbias...

If I had to pick a side I'd say that I think Manny IS taking PEDs... But it ultimatly doesn't matter what I think... Nor has he ever tested positive.

If people don't like the current testing then petition the NSAC... Other then that, he's innocent until proven guilty.

Period.

Agree with the above, but while you are not technically guilty, you cannot complain about boxing fans opinions, and boxing is all about opinions.
Its also makes it really difficult for his fans to defend him

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Fact is that having no proof is not proof.

I like Manny but he is not my favorite fighter. I can remain somewhat unbias...

If I had to pick a side I'd say that I think Manny IS taking PEDs... But it ultimatly doesn't matter what I think... Nor has he ever tested positive.

If people don't like the current testing then petition the NSAC... Other then that, he's innocent until proven guilty.

Period.

Agree with the above, but while you are not technically guilty, you cannot complain about boxing fans opinions, and boxing is all about opinions.
Its also makes it really difficult for his fans to defend him

Agreed... No, I get what you're saying. ...and as fickle the fans are in boxing he's picked the wrong sport to dick around with drug tests. In the major leagues you're cheating by hitting balls 100 ft longer then your opponant. In boxing you'll kill someone.

[GAME]

Fact is that having no proof is not proof.

I like Manny but he is not my favorite fighter. I can remain somewhat unbias...

If I had to pick a side I'd say that I think Manny IS taking PEDs... But it ultimatly doesn't matter what I think... Nor has he ever tested positive.

If people don't like the current testing then petition the NSAC... Other then that, he's innocent until proven guilty.

Period.

Ojay Simpson was proven innocent but everyone knows he was guilty.

My point is that people will think what they want and I think teh damage has been done to Pacs rep now because of how he has handled this. Even if he passes a drugs test now people will still look back and think he was taking steroids in his recent fights.

[generalbulldog]

Like I've said before even if Manny decided to take the random blood tests now and passes them, there is a perception out there.

Yep perception is everything. OJ Simpson is a good example. Michael Jackson is another one. Those guys have been exonerated in the courts but many people still say they are guilty no matter what. Certain things you shouldn't mess around with and try to stamp out the fires before it gets too big. Because once the fire is too big it will never be put out.

Boxing already is a dangerous sport, cheating in this sport could result in someone's death. This isn't like baseball, basketball, football. This sport has a few deaths every year.

It was a disaster move for Manny his team should have decided what's best for him instead of this standoff, that's why having yes men and freeloader/hanger ons are never good.

[cnote111]

Perception of Manny IS using PED's just because someone(s) said so and Manny basically said eat sh!t on your Random Blood Tests doesn't make him guilty... ... That's pathetic IMO

If the NSAC or any other commision came up with the Random Testing for all fighters or all major title fights and Manny or any other Boxer refused then yes that would raise some eyebrows because that is the rule for everyone... But it was the Mayweather camp and a few other loud mouths that drummed this up based on manny's previous performances nothing else...

How can that be just?? <--- This is retoricle, i will pass on the debate...

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Perception of Manny IS using PED's just because someone(s) said so and Manny basically said eat sh!t on your Random Blood Tests doesn't make him guilty... ... That's pathetic IMO

If the NSAC or any other commision came up with the Random Testing for all fighters or all major title fights and Manny or any other Boxer refused then yes that would raise some eyebrows because that is the rule for everyone... But it was the Mayweather camp and a few other loud mouths that drummed this up based on manny's previous performances nothing else...

How can that be just?? <--- This is retoricle, i will pass on the debate...

If you're gonna pass on the debate then don't post anything...

Manny has done this to himself... There were other ways to go about what transpired rather then this.

I am, indeed, of the inocent until proven guilty belief... But even a fan such as yourself must get irritated that it's come to this.

I also think that if there is to be more stringent testing it should come from the commission and not another fighter... Teetering a fight on a certain style of drug tests is ridiculous but not wanting to do simple drug test is even more so.

Either way, it's ridiculous.

[TeleTuff]

You can forget about Nevada doing anything about their inadequate drug testing,they are well aware of it.....The`re not going to do jack about it though.Have you ever seen these Guy`s that are involved with the Nevada State Athletic Commission?Total Gangsta!.

There not going to change anything about there testing for this fight or any other,...Fact is they dont really care what the fighter`s are useing,as long as they make there Money,.....And this has already been explained,but,...These contract agreements are personal Contracts,and stipulations and conditions lik Mayweathers are valid.

[cnote111]

Perception of Manny IS using PED's just because someone(s) said so and Manny basically said eat sh!t on your Random Blood Tests doesn't make him guilty... ... That's pathetic IMO

If the NSAC or any other commision came up with the Random Testing for all fighters or all major title fights and Manny or any other Boxer refused then yes that would raise some eyebrows because that is the rule for everyone... But it was the Mayweather camp and a few other loud mouths that drummed this up based on manny's previous performances nothing else...

How can that be just?? <--- This is retoricle, i will pass on the debate...

If you're gonna pass on the debate then don't post anything...

Manny has done this to himself... There were other ways to go about what transpired rather then this.

I am, indeed, of the inocent until proven guilty belief... But even a fan such as yourself must get irritated that it's come to this.

I also think that if there is to be more stringent testing it should come from the commission and not another fighter... Teetering a fight on a certain style of drug tests is ridiculous but not wanting to do simple drug test is even more so.

Either way, it's ridiculous.

My apologies for the Retoricle question... I've went up and down on this debate, i wanted to state my stance, but avoid the back and forth as best as possible... i understand both sides, but i don't think Manny's refusal is black and white as some people are depicting it...

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Perception of Manny IS using PED's just because someone(s) said so and Manny basically said eat sh!t on your Random Blood Tests doesn't make him guilty... ... That's pathetic IMO

If the NSAC or any other commision came up with the Random Testing for all fighters or all major title fights and Manny or any other Boxer refused then yes that would raise some eyebrows because that is the rule for everyone... But it was the Mayweather camp and a few other loud mouths that drummed this up based on manny's previous performances nothing else...

How can that be just?? <--- This is retoricle, i will pass on the debate...

If you're gonna pass on the debate then don't post anything...

Manny has done this to himself... There were other ways to go about what transpired rather then this.

I am, indeed, of the inocent until proven guilty belief... But even a fan such as yourself must get irritated that it's come to this.

I also think that if there is to be more stringent testing it should come from the commission and not another fighter... Teetering a fight on a certain style of drug tests is ridiculous but not wanting to do simple drug test is even more so.

Either way, it's ridiculous.

My apologies for the Retoricle question... I've went up and down on this debate, i wanted to state my stance, but avoid the back and forth as best as possible... i understand both sides, but i don't think Manny's refusal is black and white as some people are depicting it...

We're absolutly in agreement on that.

[hakkai619]

Fact is that having no proof is not proof.

I like Manny but he is not my favorite fighter. I can remain somewhat unbias...

If I had to pick a side I'd say that I think Manny IS taking PEDs... But it ultimatly doesn't matter what I think... Nor has he ever tested positive.

If people don't like the current testing then petition the NSAC... Other then that, he's innocent until proven guilty.

Period.

Ojay Simpson was proven innocent but everyone knows he was guilty.

My point is that people will think what they want and I think teh damage has been done to Pacs rep now because of how he has handled this. Even if he passes a drugs test now people will still look back and think he was taking steroids in his recent fights.

LOL OJ was different dude. There were actually FACTS that back up him being guilty. Besides he was NOT proven innocent. HE LOST THE TRIAL.