Should teachers have more power to control unruly students?

[El Kabong]

How should parents and teachers treat kids that act up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeiFVxEUmjo

Cesar Milan has it 100% correct

[Dark Lord Al]

Yes give the teachers TASAR GUNS , so they can use them on unruly students , and if the parents don't like it then use the TASAR on the parents also.
So the hard working students don't get dragged down to the same sorry level.
And if the students persists then a public hanging is a very fair option.

[X]

No, I dont believe that teachers should be given more powers to control unruly kids.

What they should have is the power to send them home if they misbehave, because it should be the parents job to bring their kid up and teach it how to behave.

British society has largely broken down because successive interventionalist governments convinced the masses that the State had a role to play in bringing up youth. Failed abjectly.

I'm a resonably bright and successful guy and I (nor any of my work colleagues or peer group) would consider being a teacher for one iota of a second.

Nothing to do with money..... so are many teachers second raters who would not be as successful in industry (no offence to any teachers, because I think many are bright people who would .... I just think that the proportion of 'losers' is higher than in, say, corporate law.)?

controversial?

[Scrap]

Mary Whitehouse and Malcol m Muggeridge, remember those two silly cunts. They had it spot on . At the time nobody seemed to agree, now most do. Ive seen a little of life, always 1st in line for the cain,never giving 2 fucks for anything. Im from a broken Home never had respect for fuck all. Then I started the D of E course that got me into climbing and self worth. Then it was Boxing, Having a Trainer who was like a Father to me, what He wanted out of it was success for me, which in return gave me something thats never left, Ethics and Fairplay. Trouble starts at Home, My 3 boys have never brought any trouble Home, because if they did I live there. It once happened that the police brought the 2nd oldest Home, because they had stopped Him late at night, and didnt believe He lived where He said He did. They explained He wasnt carrying Drugs and He hadnt got no previous . Ill just say Broken Homes Broken Kjds most of the Time.

[Gandalf]

No, I dont believe that teachers should be given more powers to control unruly kids.

What they should have is the power to send them home if they misbehave, because it should be the parents job to bring their kid up and teach it how to behave.

British society has largely broken down because successive interventionalist governments convinced the masses that the State had a role to play in bringing up youth. Failed abjectly.

I'm a resonably bright and successful guy and I (nor any of my work colleagues or peer group) would consider being a teacher for one iota of a second.

Nothing to do with money..... so are many teachers second raters who would not be as successful in industry (no offence to any teachers, because I think many are bright people who would .... I just think that the proportion of 'losers' is higher than in, say, corporate law.)?

controversial?

Allowing teachers to send students home would be an extension of power. It would fix the problems for that particular class, but the student might like being sent home and may even not bother going there anyway. Maybe more students would play up with the purpose of getting sent out too. That might be problematic.

As for their posibly being a higher quota of losers in the teaching industry than other industries, well I'm not so sure. Looking back on my own time at school, I recall a lot of hard working decent teachers. It was the path they had chosen and they tried to do it the best they could. I do think teaching in the UK might have become progressively more devalued over the years though. Powers are limited, students becoming more unruly and silly paperwork is everywhere the teacher looks. Conditions make it harder for effective teachers to do their job well.

I too would never consider going into teaching in British schools. I like teaching and doing what I do, but I am convinced that the British environment would turn me against it. It would be a miserable existance, counting down the days till the holidays.

[Andre]

I know four teachers personally from around here out of the four I 'd say two are sane.

Oh and you Miles, thats three out of five.

To be fair I think its 1 in 6 teachers shouldnt be there cause of their own hangups and secret lifstyles out of school; the kids make their lives worse for them cause they are like animals and sniff out the weak and destroy.

I dont know about belting them we got belted and just got smarter and didnt get caught again for the same things.

Detention and forced catch up work was a real prick, and it got stuff done.

[Cressa121]

I think teachers should definitley have more power. When i was at school a few years ago the teachers got very little respect, kids would swear at them and generally ingnore their requests. Whenever someone was told to leave the class all they had to do was say "no" and there wasn't anything the teacher could really do about it.

I misbehaved to an extent, but not drastically, just talking during class, throwing bits of paper etc. but i knew when to stop. The majority of the kids in my class didn't and the problem was they knew the teachers couldn't do anything. Evn if they could just grab a student and take them outside it might make the kids respect them a bit more. Usually the fear of my mam being told i'd misbehaved was enough to stop me doing things i shouldn't but i agree with what others have said here that parenting needs to improve. If a teacher ever said to anyone in my class they would call home the kid would just say "go on they won't care" or "they'll take my side", and that's a huge part of the problem

[El Kabong]

There are a couple problems with the system

#1 Teachers need to be taught how to handly unruly kids. Most of the teachers are women and no offense to them but they are more used to being nurturing and supportive and hell most teachers are kids themselves when they start out, they need to have the cojones to COMMAND discipline rather than ask for it.

#2 Parents take shit too personal, they are told "Your child was acting up in class" and they hear "I picked out your kid for being bad because I don't like you"....hey parents, maybe your kids are fuck ups!!! And even if they aren't to insert discipline in your own home you should discipline them just based on someone else telling you. The reason the parenting system has fallen apart is because discipline takes time and effort and parents are too tired, self centered, or lack the intrest to follow through.

#3 Kids are babied too often and too long and it is the job of the child to test boundries and limitations, they don't always do it with malice but they ALWAYS need to be disciplined or else they will find loopholes and get their way, that's what they are programed to do from birth.

[Spicoli]

Too many kids raising kids today and parents wanting to 'make agreements' and be friends with their children more than whats right.Tell them what needs to be said,not what makes them feel warm and fuzzy.Tell me my Father wanted 'to talk' when I knew I did wrong and I'll show you a kid that sat the fook straight up REAL quick.Too many rely on Teachers to raise them.Teachers get payed crap wages to begin with.