80s Middleweigts vs. 90s Middleweights

[DaxxKahn]

I don't see anyone beating a prime Hagler (unless you are a bias Vegas judge). He was only down once in his career, and that was a flash knockdown. Hagler was a bad, bad man.

I think you are underestimating the G-Man. He beat Jones Jr. as an ametuer, and even Roy said they would have been great rivals.

I would have liked to see Toney vs. Leonard too.

A good mover/boxer could beat Marvin Hagler, even in his prime had did have trouble with Marcos Geraldo a boxer with decent movement, he gave Marvin Hagler a pretty close fight. And you could see in that fighter where SRL got his gameplan from.

And some of the other Philly boxers outboxed Marvin Hagler, and i heard even Kevin Finnegan gave him hell. Of course Marvin Hagler wasn't at his peak then.

But i still think it shows he could be outboxed, although the opponent would have to be at the top of his game. And be incredibly skillful. Someone like RJJ, Herol Graham, Michael Nunn, ETC.

Yeah but Hagler was the type of guy that you not only had to outbox but outfight.....Not as if Marvin was some unskilled brawler.....Leonard was given a gift decision against Hagler

[ICB]

I don't see anyone beating a prime Hagler (unless you are a bias Vegas judge). He was only down once in his career, and that was a flash knockdown. Hagler was a bad, bad man.

I think you are underestimating the G-Man. He beat Jones Jr. as an ametuer, and even Roy said they would have been great rivals.

I would have liked to see Toney vs. Leonard too.

A good mover/boxer could beat Marvin Hagler, even in his prime had did have trouble with Marcos Geraldo a boxer with decent movement, he gave Marvin Hagler a pretty close fight. And you could see in that fighter where SRL got his gameplan from.

And some of the other Philly boxers outboxed Marvin Hagler, and i heard even Kevin Finnegan gave him hell. Of course Marvin Hagler wasn't at his peak then.

But i still think it shows he could be outboxed, although the opponent would have to be at the top of his game. And be incredibly skillful. Someone like RJJ, Herol Graham, Michael Nunn, ETC.

Yeah but Hagler was the type of guy that you not only had to outbox but outfight.....Not as if Marvin was some unskilled brawler.....Leonard was given a gift decision against Hagler

Marvin Hagler was a very skilled aggressive fighter, and an underrated counter puncher with a good jab. And he did seem to be almost the complete package.

But his weaknesses were that his footwork was quite slow, and his handspeed was mediocre. Which is why he had some troubles vs boxers.

As for the SRL fight i'd rather not debate that, because that really is beating a dead horse. All i'll say is that it was a very close fight which could of gone either way.

But its not only the SRL fight im basing my argument on, just look at the fighters i mentioned above and some of those fights. Were when Marvin Hagler was almost at his peak.

And as i said i could see Michael Nunn, Herol Graham, RJJ, beating Marvin Hagler.

[God.in.my.corner]

I remember my father describing him as having a "turn-of-the-century" toughness that was unique for modern fighters. He was a man without fear that didn't beat opponents, but detroyed them.

[RozzySean]

A good mover/boxer could beat Marvin Hagler, even in his prime had did have trouble with Marcos Geraldo a boxer with decent movement, he gave Marvin Hagler a pretty close fight. And you could see in that fighter where SRL got his gameplan from.

And some of the other Philly boxers outboxed Marvin Hagler, and i heard even Kevin Finnegan gave him hell. Of course Marvin Hagler wasn't at his peak then.

But i still think it shows he could be outboxed, although the opponent would have to be at the top of his game. And be incredibly skillful. Someone like RJJ, Herol Graham, Michael Nunn, ETC.

Yeah but Hagler was the type of guy that you not only had to outbox but outfight.....Not as if Marvin was some unskilled brawler.....Leonard was given a gift decision against Hagler

Marvin Hagler was a very skilled aggressive fighter, and an underrated counter puncher with a good jab. And he did seem to be almost the complete package.

But his weaknesses were that his footwork was quite slow, and his handspeed was mediocre. Which is why he had some troubles vs boxers.

As for the SRL fight i'd rather not debate that, because that really is beating a dead horse. All i'll say is that it was a very close fight which could of gone either way.

But its not only the SRL fight im basing my argument on, just look at the fighters i mentioned above and some of those fights. Were when Marvin Hagler was almost at his peak.

And as i said i could see Michael Nunn, Herol Graham, RJJ, beating Marvin Hagler.

I think Herol Graham is a heck of a fighter, but I don't see him beating Hagler. He would be game, but I think Hagler would break him down and KO him late. I also think prime for prime, Hagler would stop Nunn. Nunn would certainly have his moments, but Hagler's mental toughness, jaw, and power would carry the day.

There were a few fighters who out boxed Hagler. He was a "good" boxer, not a great one. True. However, there are very few fighters in the history of boxing who had his combination of tough brawler (with chin and power) AND boxing skill.

He didn't have the best feet, and his toughest fights were against guys who got on their bicycles or against slick philly fighters who could counterpunch and roll with his power. Duran was a good example. He fought Duran's fight and made it much closer than it should have been.

Kevin Finnigan gave him tough fights, but Hagler still KO'd him twice. He avenged his two losses (road losses in Philly) with quick and brutal KO's. When he fought Geraldo, he had fought Watts ONE month before. He fought Hamani two months before that, and Antuofermo 10 weeks before that. That's four fights from the end of November to May. Big shock he had trouble chasing down a mover, Ice.

Jones would have been his two biggest. I can see Jones beating him, basically by running and being flashy, but I could also see Jones getting KTFO.