Floyd Mayweather fighting Nate Campbell?

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Lets assume PBF is fighting Nate Campbell for the threads sake.... Humor me..

The reason Manny is fighting 147 lb fighters is because that is where the big fights are at right now... You won't see him hit anything under 140lb ever again IMO. It would be logical to think ROACH wants his opponents to come down a bit to try and level the playing field "size" wise because pac is only 5'6'... By getting his opponents to come down in weight is the best way to allow Pacs power to penetrate and hurt the already larger frame. Do i necessarily agree with the catchweights and the demands to have his opponents come down, NO - However, if they want PAC and the payday..Well, lose some weight...

I do think the Clotty fight is at 147 though.. So the argument is moot.


Mayweather on the otherhand is forcing his opponents to come up in weight...

WHY YOU ASK

Its all about speed. PBF knows his opponents won't be able to carry their speed up to 147, and that is PBF's greatest asset. IE. why he doesn't want to fight PAC. You can say all day PAC is scared, but PBF knew his steriod tactics were going to ruin this fight. In addition to that, PBF won't be asking anyone else to take blood tests.. If he didn't ask PAC to take this tests just like everyone else WON"T ask Pac to take these tests, then the fight would still be happening.

What a freakin PACTARD. After all the lies, shady behaviour and stupid demands from Pac and his team, you still blame Floyd for the fight not happening. $10,000,000 per pound, 8 ounce gloves etc, then when Floyd throws back a counter demand of blood tests Pac runs off like a baby girl. As negotiations finished Floyd gave up 14 days of testing before the fight yet Manny still wouldnt agree. If thats not ducking a fight, or atleast a near on admission your taking drugs nothing is.

This is pretty much right, and I'll agree to it, but Floyd did know from the getgo that this specific demand could hurt the whole negotiation.

It still isn't a response at all that fighting Cotto and Clottey at welterweight is much, much more impressive than fighting Marquez and Campbell at welterweight. Pacquiao had a good chance of losing both those fights, Floyd has NONE of losing his. Suspecting Pac of roids is separate and distinct from saying Floyd's choice in opponents leave much to be desired and Pac's don't.

Would Pac be fighting any of these bigger guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. I'd rather support a clean fighter myself. Please dont crap on about the 'Pacs scared of needles' shit because nobody gives up 40 million because of a few needles, they do it cos they got something to hide.

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What a freakin PACTARD. After all the lies, shady behaviour and stupid demands from Pac and his team, you still blame Floyd for the fight not happening. $10,000,000 per pound, 8 ounce gloves etc, then when Floyd throws back a counter demand of blood tests Pac runs off like a baby girl. As negotiations finished Floyd gave up 14 days of testing before the fight yet Manny still wouldnt agree. If thats not ducking a fight, or atleast a near on admission your taking drugs nothing is.

This is pretty much right, and I'll agree to it, but Floyd did know from the getgo that this specific demand could hurt the whole negotiation.

It still isn't a response at all that fighting Cotto and Clottey at welterweight is much, much more impressive than fighting Marquez and Campbell at welterweight. Pacquiao had a good chance of losing both those fights, Floyd has NONE of losing his. Suspecting Pac of roids is separate and distinct from saying Floyd's choice in opponents leave much to be desired and Pac's don't.

Would Pac be fighting any of these bigger guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. I'd rather support a clean fighter myself. Please dont crap on about the 'Pacs scared of needles' shit because nobody gives up 40 million because of a few needles, they do it cos they got something to hide.

Eagle, would Pac be fighting smaller guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. For example, Marquez won't fight him and no GBP fighter will either.

I personally don't think Pac took steroids, but it is very odd that he won't submit to the tests, I just don't see the logic though.

Anyway, what has this got to do with Mayweather's lackluster choices of opponents? Even Taeth, one of the biggest Mayweather supporters on this site, is dismayed with the choices thrown out now. Come on now! Mayweather has been at welterweight for 5 years, and he hasn't fought a top five welterweight that whole time! Now he is chosing between junior welterweights and lightweights who aren't even at the top of their weight classes.

You know how Mayweather shows Manny up once and for all? He fights Shane Mosley. That's how.

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This is pretty much right, and I'll agree to it, but Floyd did know from the getgo that this specific demand could hurt the whole negotiation.

It still isn't a response at all that fighting Cotto and Clottey at welterweight is much, much more impressive than fighting Marquez and Campbell at welterweight. Pacquiao had a good chance of losing both those fights, Floyd has NONE of losing his. Suspecting Pac of roids is separate and distinct from saying Floyd's choice in opponents leave much to be desired and Pac's don't.

Would Pac be fighting any of these bigger guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. I'd rather support a clean fighter myself. Please dont crap on about the 'Pacs scared of needles' shit because nobody gives up 40 million because of a few needles, they do it cos they got something to hide.

Eagle, would Pac be fighting smaller guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. For example, Marquez won't fight him and no GBP fighter will either.

I personally don't think Pac took steroids, but it is very odd that he won't submit to the tests, I just don't see the logic though.

Anyway, what has this got to do with Mayweather's lackluster choices of opponents? Even Taeth, one of the biggest Mayweather supporters on this site, is dismayed with the choices thrown out now. Come on now! Mayweather has been at welterweight for 5 years, and he hasn't fought a top five welterweight that whole time! Now he is chosing between junior welterweights and lightweights who aren't even at the top of their weight classes.

You know how Mayweather shows Manny up once and for all? He fights Shane Mosley. That's how.

Well if you dont think he is on drugs, why do you think he didnt take the tests? There is no other logical answer.

You can say that PBF's opponents arent that great, but he did just challenge the guy that is #1 P4P and that guy ducked the fight.

[Rantcatrat]

Would Pac be fighting any of these bigger guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. I'd rather support a clean fighter myself. Please dont crap on about the 'Pacs scared of needles' shit because nobody gives up 40 million because of a few needles, they do it cos they got something to hide.

Eagle, would Pac be fighting smaller guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. For example, Marquez won't fight him and no GBP fighter will either.

I personally don't think Pac took steroids, but it is very odd that he won't submit to the tests, I just don't see the logic though.

Anyway, what has this got to do with Mayweather's lackluster choices of opponents? Even Taeth, one of the biggest Mayweather supporters on this site, is dismayed with the choices thrown out now. Come on now! Mayweather has been at welterweight for 5 years, and he hasn't fought a top five welterweight that whole time! Now he is chosing between junior welterweights and lightweights who aren't even at the top of their weight classes.

You know how Mayweather shows Manny up once and for all? He fights Shane Mosley. That's how.

Well if you dont think he is on drugs, why do you think he didnt take the tests? There is no other logical answer.

You can say that PBF's opponents arent that great, but he did just challenge the guy that is #1 P4P and that guy ducked the fight.

Eagle, I posted this in another thread which I encourage you to check out, but I agree it is odd Pacquiao wouldn't take the tests and I'm not sure why he didn't. It doesn't make any sense. Let's say he was on drugs for the Diaz, ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto fights, all he had to do was not be on drugs for this fight and he would have made more coin than any fighter since Mike Tyson. It wouldn't matter if he won or lost. And it wouldn't have mattered if he lost because you could chalk it up to the fact he was beat by the better boxer, juice or not. And like I said in that other thread, I and most people, including the bookies, had Pacquiao losing the fight before this whole steroids debate arose, on or not on drugs.

He challenged a guy who was not a career welterweight, #1 p4p or not, I'd like to see him challenge any top five welterweight. Any.

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Eagle, would Pac be fighting smaller guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. For example, Marquez won't fight him and no GBP fighter will either.

I personally don't think Pac took steroids, but it is very odd that he won't submit to the tests, I just don't see the logic though.

Anyway, what has this got to do with Mayweather's lackluster choices of opponents? Even Taeth, one of the biggest Mayweather supporters on this site, is dismayed with the choices thrown out now. Come on now! Mayweather has been at welterweight for 5 years, and he hasn't fought a top five welterweight that whole time! Now he is chosing between junior welterweights and lightweights who aren't even at the top of their weight classes.

You know how Mayweather shows Manny up once and for all? He fights Shane Mosley. That's how.

Well if you dont think he is on drugs, why do you think he didnt take the tests? There is no other logical answer.

You can say that PBF's opponents arent that great, but he did just challenge the guy that is #1 P4P and that guy ducked the fight.

Eagle, I posted this in another thread which I encourage you to check out, but I agree it is odd Pacquiao wouldn't take the tests and I'm not sure why he didn't. It doesn't make any sense. Let's say he was on drugs for the Diaz, ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto fights, all he had to do was not be on drugs for this fight and he would have made more coin than any fighter since Mike Tyson. It wouldn't matter if he won or lost. And it wouldn't have mattered if he lost because you could chalk it up to the fact he was beat by the better boxer, juice or not. And like I said in that other thread, I and most people, including the bookies, had Pacquiao losing the fight before this whole steroids debate arose, on or not on drugs.

He challenged a guy who was not a career welterweight, #1 p4p or not, I'd like to see him challenge any top five welterweight. Any.

Oh god. Pac just Ko'd a top 3 welter, who'd previously beaten Mosely and Clottey, now all of a sudden Pac doesnt count as a welterweight. As i said, there is no other logical explanation for not taking a drug test other than the fact u have something to hide. Dont overcomplicate things.

[Rantcatrat]

Well if you dont think he is on drugs, why do you think he didnt take the tests? There is no other logical answer.

You can say that PBF's opponents arent that great, but he did just challenge the guy that is #1 P4P and that guy ducked the fight.

Eagle, I posted this in another thread which I encourage you to check out, but I agree it is odd Pacquiao wouldn't take the tests and I'm not sure why he didn't. It doesn't make any sense. Let's say he was on drugs for the Diaz, ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto fights, all he had to do was not be on drugs for this fight and he would have made more coin than any fighter since Mike Tyson. It wouldn't matter if he won or lost. And it wouldn't have mattered if he lost because you could chalk it up to the fact he was beat by the better boxer, juice or not. And like I said in that other thread, I and most people, including the bookies, had Pacquiao losing the fight before this whole steroids debate arose, on or not on drugs.

He challenged a guy who was not a career welterweight, #1 p4p or not, I'd like to see him challenge any top five welterweight. Any.

Oh god. Pac just Ko'd a top 3 welter, who'd previously beaten Mosely and Clottey, now all of a sudden Pac doesnt count as a welterweight. As i said, there is no other logical explanation for not taking a drug test other than the fact u have something to hide. Dont overcomplicate things.

Pac would have been a great fight for Floyd. I'm not overcomplicating things. Floyd could have challenged Shane but instead he fought Marquez. Now, Floyd could wait to challenge the winner of the Mosley/Berto fight yet again instead he is fighting a career lightweight who at 38 is definitely passed his prime. There is no way to rationalize that when you are the champion of the welterweight division. Should Mayweather be dropped from the list of top welterweights if he continues to not fight welterweights or worse yet fight lightweights at the welterweight limit?

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Eagle, I posted this in another thread which I encourage you to check out, but I agree it is odd Pacquiao wouldn't take the tests and I'm not sure why he didn't. It doesn't make any sense. Let's say he was on drugs for the Diaz, ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto fights, all he had to do was not be on drugs for this fight and he would have made more coin than any fighter since Mike Tyson. It wouldn't matter if he won or lost. And it wouldn't have mattered if he lost because you could chalk it up to the fact he was beat by the better boxer, juice or not. And like I said in that other thread, I and most people, including the bookies, had Pacquiao losing the fight before this whole steroids debate arose, on or not on drugs.

He challenged a guy who was not a career welterweight, #1 p4p or not, I'd like to see him challenge any top five welterweight. Any.

Oh god. Pac just Ko'd a top 3 welter, who'd previously beaten Mosely and Clottey, now all of a sudden Pac doesnt count as a welterweight. As i said, there is no other logical explanation for not taking a drug test other than the fact u have something to hide. Dont overcomplicate things.

Pac would have been a great fight for Floyd. I'm not overcomplicating things. Floyd could have challenged Shane but instead he fought Marquez. Now, Floyd could wait to challenge the winner of the Mosley/Berto fight yet again instead he is fighting a career lightweight who at 38 is definitely passed his prime. There is no way to rationalize that when you are the champion of the welterweight division. Should Mayweather be dropped from the list of top welterweights if he continues to not fight welterweights or worse yet fight lightweights at the welterweight limit?

So you would rather criticise a guy who you dont think fights tough enough opponents, than a guy who blatantly ducks a random drug test? Weird logic.