AL Bernstein - Team Mayweather's....

[Andre]

Im also asking a serious question:

What would you really be thinking and what would you do if you were in Mannys shoes?

Its a good exercise.

[KananKrus]

Im also asking a serious question:

What would you really be thinking and what would you do if you were in Mannys shoes?

Its a good exercise.

If I were in Manny's shoes, to the best of whatever resources I have, I will not allow Floyd to one me up, that's all.

The Maginoo way, a Filipino trait, when threatened or affronted, will never allow a mudslinging affair to ensue especially if for petty reasons. He will instead choose to suffer in silence but stand his ground, in wait for an expected first blow. If there is then a strike, will counter attack like there is no tomorrow.

You see, for the Maginoos, there is but little use for words, action is more the language for them who consider themselves, serious people.

The Maginoos are from the olden days, only a few share those views in the present day. However, I suspect, Manny Pac sees himself as one.

[Chino]

The Maginoo way, a Filipino trait, when threatened or affronted, will never allow a mudslinging affair to ensue especially if for petty reasons. He will instead choose to suffer in silence but stand his ground

...which is something Pac didn't do. Instead, he came up with a bunch of silly contradicting excuses. So I don't think Pac is a maginoo (gentleman, for those who don't know) or as you describe him to be. The way he has taken care of this drama simply raises eyebrows and makes him look shady.

[Themantonio]

Im also asking a serious question:

What would you really be thinking and what would you do if you were in Mannys shoes?

Its a good exercise.

If I were in Manny's shoes, to the best of whatever resources I have, I will not allow Floyd to one me up, that's all.

The Maginoo way, a Filipino trait, when threatened or affronted, will never allow a mudslinging affair to ensue especially if for petty reasons. He will instead choose to suffer in silence but stand his ground, in wait for an expected first blow. If there is then a strike, will counter attack like there is no tomorrow.

You see, for the Maginoos, there is but little use for words, action is more the language for them who consider themselves, serious people.

The Maginoos are from the olden days, only a few share those views in the present day. However, I suspect, Manny Pac sees himself as one.

I get ya first point bout standing ya ground and all that and how filipino's are very proud. I get that, and I respect that man... To an extent I agree, y let a punk like Floyd dictate what I do to get him considering I am the #1 P4P king...

BUT just to rebuttle your point, if actions speak louder than words then y doesn't Manny jus take the tests coz his "actions" right now further condemn him and as you say the poor guy "suffers in silence"...

Actions do speak louder than words and making the first statement would be to probably just take the tests for the sake of $40mil, and for a chance to get his hands on Mayweather, then with even louder actions, give Mayweather a hiding!!!

[KananKrus]

What is the proper way nowadays... Is it not through the courts, via a lawsuit? That is, if you believe in the justice system.

Allowing himself to undergo an "out of the ordinary" blood test is allowing team Mayweather an upmanship which is unwarranted in this case, for Pac views himself as not the lesser star, and certainly without the need to further prove himself for the "Floyd benefit".

Read on the Al Bernstein write up, there are more answers there on his interpretations than I can meagerly equal as a response to future questions. Remeber tho' there are two sides to this equation, let us not just railroad anything like nothing.

Let us not be upset, nor allow ourselves be infuriated by all these.

Read up Chino, Bernstein's got some good angles, Man. He is with us here every now and then with feature write-ups for our everyday struggles for answers to the mind boggling perpexity as the sport of boxing is.

Less aggression, and allow for objectivity.

Satisfaction out of bashing and ridiculing the other poster's view? That is naughty....

Sorry too lengthy now...

[Gandalf]

If I was in that situation, I would have agreed to the tests immediately. Why?

I am clean, I have nothing to hide. As the best boxer in the world, I have full confidence in my abilities to get the job done. It's a huge payday, I get the opportunity to cement my legacy. Furthermore, I have the chance to please the entire boxing community and also get the general public interested in boxing again.

To turn down a blood test because I don't want my opponent to win the mental games is really a rather pathetic and sorry excuse.

[TheBranMan]

I don't believe that he, above all other boxers, needs a special set of rules to compete. I believe all championship bouts should embrace more conclusive types of testing. This kind of thing happening for such a large-scale fight is helping the sport progress.

Whether you agree or disagree with the obviously suspicious facts concerning Pacquiao's weight and his camp, Floyd's request only highlighted a fatal flaw in the sport that we love. Lets do something about it.

[fan johnny]

I don't believe that he, above all other boxers, needs a special set of rules to compete. I believe all championship bouts should embrace more conclusive types of testing. This kind of thing happening for such a large-scale fight is helping the sport progress.

Whether you agree or disagree with the obviously suspicious facts concerning Pacquiao's weight and his camp, Floyd's request only highlighted a fatal flaw in the sport that we love. Lets do something about it.

Why? Is a fighter's safety less important in his first bout than it is when he finally reaches a championship bout? Would it be logical to suspect usage of a substance that enhances or has the potential to enhance performance when a fighter is starting out or when he's has reached his goal? Violating rules in the spirit of competition doesn't change because there is a title at stake. So why would you limit testing to championship bouts? Your suggestion doesn't meet the criteria that bans substances.

Too many people have knee jerk reactions to this whole subject and don't give it enough thought or weigh the evidence before coming to conclusions. In general we make rules for people that follow the rules. People that break the rules don't care because they are not bound by them. Rush judgments to fix problems usually cause more problems than they solve.

Al Bernstein is spot on about primary subject. Floyd's team screwed up bigtime otherwise we'd be discussing whose going to win and why.

[Andre]

I don't believe that he, above all other boxers, needs a special set of rules to compete. I believe all championship bouts should embrace more conclusive types of testing. This kind of thing happening for such a large-scale fight is helping the sport progress.

Whether you agree or disagree with the obviously suspicious facts concerning Pacquiao's weight and his camp, Floyd's request only highlighted a fatal flaw in the sport that we love. Lets do something about it.

Great point.

Its another reason why (If PAC believes it is weakening or bad time out from training )

That he should of said fine, you and me both we get them done together.

That way if they are at all weakening then they are weakened together.

Back to an even field with no problems.

[Zilla]

What is the proper way nowadays... Is it not through the courts, via a lawsuit? That is, if you believe in the justice system.

Allowing himself to undergo an "out of the ordinary" blood test is allowing team Mayweather an upmanship which is unwarranted in this case, for Pac views himself as not the lesser star, and certainly without the need to further prove himself for the "Floyd benefit".

Read on the Al Bernstein write up, there are more answers there on his interpretations than I can meagerly equal as a response to future questions. Remeber tho' there are two sides to this equation, let us not just railroad anything like nothing.

Let us not be upset, nor allow ourselves be infuriated by all these.

Read up Chino, Bernstein's got some good angles, Man. He is with us here every now and then with feature write-ups for our everyday struggles for answers to the mind boggling perpexity as the sport of boxing is.

Less aggression, and allow for objectivity.

Satisfaction out of bashing and ridiculing the other poster's view? That is naughty....

Sorry too lengthy now...

You should read up, Kanankrus. It's called the negotiating table. Just like Pac wanted a $10 mil fine for each pound Mayweather would have been over the WW limit, Mayweather wanted random testing. If Pac isn't on anything, why is testing such an issue. It's not one-upmanship, it's something you either say yes or no to. Many fights haven't been made because one fighter made what the other thought of as an unreasonable request. Thing is, why is random blood testing both fighters would be subjected to unreasonable? Shane didn't fight Oscar a 3rd time because Oscar wanted 70% of the purse even though Shane won both the other fights. That's reasonable. Roy didn't fight Bernard a 2nd time back in the 90s because Roy was the LHW champ and had beaten Bernard the first time around. He felt 'Nard should come up to his weight class if he wanted another fight. That was reasonable. How is it unreasonable to refuse a test you'd both be taking if you're innocent? I would have understood if Mayweather wanted him to use gloves he didn't want, a ring he didn't want, hell, even a venue he didn't want. But Pac got everything else he wanted. The real question is why not this?

[Kirkland Laing]

What is the proper way nowadays... Is it not through the courts, via a lawsuit? That is, if you believe in the justice system.

Allowing himself to undergo an "out of the ordinary" blood test is allowing team Mayweather an upmanship which is unwarranted in this case, for Pac views himself as not the lesser star, and certainly without the need to further prove himself for the "Floyd benefit".

Read on the Al Bernstein write up, there are more answers there on his interpretations than I can meagerly equal as a response to future questions. Remeber tho' there are two sides to this equation, let us not just railroad anything like nothing.

Let us not be upset, nor allow ourselves be infuriated by all these.

Read up Chino, Bernstein's got some good angles, Man. He is with us here every now and then with feature write-ups for our everyday struggles for answers to the mind boggling perpexity as the sport of boxing is.

Less aggression, and allow for objectivity.

Satisfaction out of bashing and ridiculing the other poster's view? That is naughty....

Sorry too lengthy now...

Before the negotiations he'd already been publicly accused by several boxing people of taking roids. If he'd accepted the random testing outright without any bargaining over it it would have been a massive psychological victory for Manny, not Mayweather. Manny would have been saying I've been clean all the time and you're going to get beaten like Cotto and your allegations rammed down your throat. Instead he gave mayweather the victory by running away from the test. Bernstein's article is just like a million articles by baseball writers when McGwire, Bonds etc. were breaking records. No evidence of cheating, all down to hard work in the gym etc. etc. Nobody in the national boxing media wants to believe Manny took setroids, he's their biggest story. OK, there'll be an exception that proves the rule but in general we've had radio silence from major national boxing people, HBO, Showtime, the sanctioning bodies etc.