AL Bernstein - Team Mayweather's....

[Themantonio]

Im also asking a serious question:

What would you really be thinking and what would you do if you were in Mannys shoes?

Its a good exercise.

If I were in Manny's shoes, to the best of whatever resources I have, I will not allow Floyd to one me up, that's all.

The Maginoo way, a Filipino trait, when threatened or affronted, will never allow a mudslinging affair to ensue especially if for petty reasons. He will instead choose to suffer in silence but stand his ground, in wait for an expected first blow. If there is then a strike, will counter attack like there is no tomorrow.

You see, for the Maginoos, there is but little use for words, action is more the language for them who consider themselves, serious people.

The Maginoos are from the olden days, only a few share those views in the present day. However, I suspect, Manny Pac sees himself as one.

I get ya first point bout standing ya ground and all that and how filipino's are very proud. I get that, and I respect that man... To an extent I agree, y let a punk like Floyd dictate what I do to get him considering I am the #1 P4P king...

BUT just to rebuttle your point, if actions speak louder than words then y doesn't Manny jus take the tests coz his "actions" right now further condemn him and as you say the poor guy "suffers in silence"...

Actions do speak louder than words and making the first statement would be to probably just take the tests for the sake of $40mil, and for a chance to get his hands on Mayweather, then with even louder actions, give Mayweather a hiding!!!

[KananKrus]

What is the proper way nowadays... Is it not through the courts, via a lawsuit? That is, if you believe in the justice system.

Allowing himself to undergo an "out of the ordinary" blood test is allowing team Mayweather an upmanship which is unwarranted in this case, for Pac views himself as not the lesser star, and certainly without the need to further prove himself for the "Floyd benefit".

Read on the Al Bernstein write up, there are more answers there on his interpretations than I can meagerly equal as a response to future questions. Remeber tho' there are two sides to this equation, let us not just railroad anything like nothing.

Let us not be upset, nor allow ourselves be infuriated by all these.

Read up Chino, Bernstein's got some good angles, Man. He is with us here every now and then with feature write-ups for our everyday struggles for answers to the mind boggling perpexity as the sport of boxing is.

Less aggression, and allow for objectivity.

Satisfaction out of bashing and ridiculing the other poster's view? That is naughty....

Sorry too lengthy now...

[Gandalf]

If I was in that situation, I would have agreed to the tests immediately. Why?

I am clean, I have nothing to hide. As the best boxer in the world, I have full confidence in my abilities to get the job done. It's a huge payday, I get the opportunity to cement my legacy. Furthermore, I have the chance to please the entire boxing community and also get the general public interested in boxing again.

To turn down a blood test because I don't want my opponent to win the mental games is really a rather pathetic and sorry excuse.

[TheBranMan]

I don't believe that he, above all other boxers, needs a special set of rules to compete. I believe all championship bouts should embrace more conclusive types of testing. This kind of thing happening for such a large-scale fight is helping the sport progress.

Whether you agree or disagree with the obviously suspicious facts concerning Pacquiao's weight and his camp, Floyd's request only highlighted a fatal flaw in the sport that we love. Lets do something about it.

[fan johnny]

I don't believe that he, above all other boxers, needs a special set of rules to compete. I believe all championship bouts should embrace more conclusive types of testing. This kind of thing happening for such a large-scale fight is helping the sport progress.

Whether you agree or disagree with the obviously suspicious facts concerning Pacquiao's weight and his camp, Floyd's request only highlighted a fatal flaw in the sport that we love. Lets do something about it.

Why? Is a fighter's safety less important in his first bout than it is when he finally reaches a championship bout? Would it be logical to suspect usage of a substance that enhances or has the potential to enhance performance when a fighter is starting out or when he's has reached his goal? Violating rules in the spirit of competition doesn't change because there is a title at stake. So why would you limit testing to championship bouts? Your suggestion doesn't meet the criteria that bans substances.

Too many people have knee jerk reactions to this whole subject and don't give it enough thought or weigh the evidence before coming to conclusions. In general we make rules for people that follow the rules. People that break the rules don't care because they are not bound by them. Rush judgments to fix problems usually cause more problems than they solve.

Al Bernstein is spot on about primary subject. Floyd's team screwed up bigtime otherwise we'd be discussing whose going to win and why.

[killersheep]

I don't believe that he, above all other boxers, needs a special set of rules to compete. I believe all championship bouts should embrace more conclusive types of testing. This kind of thing happening for such a large-scale fight is helping the sport progress.

Whether you agree or disagree with the obviously suspicious facts concerning Pacquiao's weight and his camp, Floyd's request only highlighted a fatal flaw in the sport that we love. Lets do something about it.

Why? Is a fighter's safety less important in his first bout than it is when he finally reaches a championship bout? Would it be logical to suspect usage of a substance that enhances or has the potential to enhance performance when a fighter is starting out or when he's has reached his goal? Violating rules in the spirit of competition doesn't change because there is a title at stake. So why would you limit testing to championship bouts? Your suggestion doesn't meet the criteria that bans substances.

Too many people have knee jerk reactions to this whole subject and don't give it enough thought or weigh the evidence before coming to conclusions. In general we make rules for people that follow the rules. People that break the rules don't care because they are not bound by them. Rush judgments to fix problems usually cause more problems than they solve.

Al Bernstein is spot on about primary subject. Floyd's team screwed up bigtime otherwise we'd be discussing whose going to win and why.

The reason it can't be done at all levels is simple............money.

Having the testing at the championship level is a good starting place, and it's the place that most boxers strive for, so they know once they get to that level they must be clean, therefore, it has an effect of creating incentive to train clean rather than train dirty.

[fan johnny]

I don't believe that he, above all other boxers, needs a special set of rules to compete. I believe all championship bouts should embrace more conclusive types of testing. This kind of thing happening for such a large-scale fight is helping the sport progress.

Whether you agree or disagree with the obviously suspicious facts concerning Pacquiao's weight and his camp, Floyd's request only highlighted a fatal flaw in the sport that we love. Lets do something about it.

Why? Is a fighter's safety less important in his first bout than it is when he finally reaches a championship bout? Would it be logical to suspect usage of a substance that enhances or has the potential to enhance performance when a fighter is starting out or when he's has reached his goal? Violating rules in the spirit of competition doesn't change because there is a title at stake. So why would you limit testing to championship bouts? Your suggestion doesn't meet the criteria that bans substances.

Too many people have knee jerk reactions to this whole subject and don't give it enough thought or weigh the evidence before coming to conclusions. In general we make rules for people that follow the rules. People that break the rules don't care because they are not bound by them. Rush judgments to fix problems usually cause more problems than they solve.

Al Bernstein is spot on about primary subject. Floyd's team screwed up bigtime otherwise we'd be discussing whose going to win and why.

The reason it can't be done at all levels is simple............money.

Having the testing at the championship level is a good starting place, and it's the place that most boxers strive for, so they know once they get to that level they must be clean, therefore, it has an effect of creating incentive to train clean rather than train dirty.

I agree that money is always a prohibitive factor when making rules, which is why great care must be taken when making them. I don't agree that it can't be done. It is being done. The problem in this discussion is the smear campaign has people thinking that the current methods are not good enough although methods can always be improved.

I'm not being facetious, help me out here... I really don't understand that statement.

[Taeth]

What would I do in Manny's shoes? I would take the test and make 40million dollars.

How could Mayweather not make demands on blood testing with all the speculations that have come out since it was brought up?

I think its a failure in effective testing on Nevada's part to not test blood for peds... I mean urine isn't as indicative a manner of testing for most of the high quality "steroids", excuse my generality of the term, that are out there.

IMO this casts a shadow on all of boxing because it means all boxers have a pretty easy path to taking steroids and not getting caught if they do it correctly. Which basically means anyone with enough money can do it with virtually no repercussions.

[Dench]

Just want to post my take on this.


If Im Pacman, I will not take the test if its being pushed by someone like the Mayweathers -- who happen to be the first few people who brought up this PDE's thing with Pacman.

Pacman never tested positive under the NSAC tests, why would he submit himself for additional test if its being asked by acussers? If NSAC will require it then I will submit myself on it right away no questions asked. If its on the rules then I will abide the rules. I just dont get the point on me having to follow the rules of the people who keeps on accusing me doping.

Mayweather turned himself into a law maker here just to duck the fight. He knew Manny's not gonna play by his rules and he will make sure of that anyway. He can get off the fight, and leave Pacman looking like an a$$.

[jahmez]

It will be interesting if the fact that urine testing can now detect EPO and HGH was presented to Team Mayweather. Some posters have helped me out by sending me some links to articles where even the head of the USADA backed these statements. That, backed with the fact that blood testing has never detected a HGH user would make it hard to understand why Team Mayweather would still insist on blood testing.

[Andre]

I don't believe that he, above all other boxers, needs a special set of rules to compete. I believe all championship bouts should embrace more conclusive types of testing. This kind of thing happening for such a large-scale fight is helping the sport progress.

Whether you agree or disagree with the obviously suspicious facts concerning Pacquiao's weight and his camp, Floyd's request only highlighted a fatal flaw in the sport that we love. Lets do something about it.

Great point.

Its another reason why (If PAC believes it is weakening or bad time out from training )

That he should of said fine, you and me both we get them done together.

That way if they are at all weakening then they are weakened together.

Back to an even field with no problems.

[Youngblood]

I pretty much agree with everything Al Bernstein says on the matter. He hasnt convinced me, have from the start of this thing going sideways in negotiations.

Im pissed this fighting isnt happening, with both fighters, but I also can see thru the charade of bs the Mayweathers have been playing and surprised so few others have on this site. I dont know the law well and Im not some internet wannabe lawyer who has it all figured out, but if the fight cant happen I hope the Mayweathers get their asses sued off.

Id much rather the suit go away in the name of a fight tho. Until such time, disgusted in this whole deal.

[KananKrus]

You got it Youngblood, I agree.

The suits and the huge egos (includes all, down to the cooks and utilities, LOL) of everyone involved, are ramming heads right now... maybe sometime later this year, sans the silliness, this may still happen.

Doubletake, the silliness should go away first and foremost, then without it maybe over-inflated egos deflates to just about to normal sizes... then logic (MONEY) can prevail on this, to finally have a go.

The business on the drug testing can be handled without the circus-type atmosphere, then maybe... we may have the mother-of-all fights within our fingertips... we can only hope.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I don't believe that he, above all other boxers, needs a special set of rules to compete. I believe all championship bouts should embrace more conclusive types of testing. This kind of thing happening for such a large-scale fight is helping the sport progress.

Whether you agree or disagree with the obviously suspicious facts concerning Pacquiao's weight and his camp, Floyd's request only highlighted a fatal flaw in the sport that we love. Lets do something about it.

Great point.

Its another reason why (If PAC believes it is weakening or bad time out from training )

That he should of said fine, you and me both we get them done together.

That way if they are at all weakening then they are weakened together.

Back to an even field with no problems.

Both take the tests. Both suffer fines if over the limit. What's the problem?

[Andre]

I don't believe that he, above all other boxers, needs a special set of rules to compete. I believe all championship bouts should embrace more conclusive types of testing. This kind of thing happening for such a large-scale fight is helping the sport progress.

Whether you agree or disagree with the obviously suspicious facts concerning Pacquiao's weight and his camp, Floyd's request only highlighted a fatal flaw in the sport that we love. Lets do something about it.

Great point.

Its another reason why (If PAC believes it is weakening or bad time out from training )

That he should of said fine, you and me both we get them done together.

That way if they are at all weakening then they are weakened together.

Back to an even field with no problems.

Both take the tests. Both suffer fines if over the limit. What's the problem?

Tish there is no limit, there is zero tolerance with hgh.



You mean Over weight... I see your point.





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