Are you idealistic about boxing at all anymore

[TheBranMan]

Would you like a sub board for Down and depressed fans mate?

^lol

Maybe it's time to stop being idealistic and start being realistic. If fans love this sport and want to protect its clean athletes, then we should embrace more conclusive types of testing, at least for championship bouts. Ouma, you may not have been a JMM or Cotto fan, but I am a fan of both and do care that their careers have been affected by the unfair, dirty methods of other fighters (especially in the case of Cotto).

I think that saying that "fighters should do what they can, without getting caught" is a very bad way to think about the sport we love and sportsmanship in general. We as the fans, have the power to make this a serious, competitive sport but it won't happen until we make a stand.

[CFH]

I became a cynic almost as soon as I became a fan. Nothing about this sport surprises me anymore. If someone posted an article which claimed to have proof that Valuev was actually a grizzly bear than was taught to walk on its hind legs and given extensive plastic surgery the only thing that would surprise me would be his lack of power.

[OumaFan]

Would you like a sub board for Down and depressed fans mate?

^lol

Maybe it's time to stop being idealistic and start being realistic. If fans love this sport and want to protect its clean athletes, then we should embrace more conclusive types of testing, at least for championship bouts. Ouma, you may not have been a JMM or Cotto fan, but I am a fan of both and do care that their careers have been affected by the unfair, dirty methods of other fighters (especially in the case of Cotto).

I think that saying that "fighters should do what they can, without getting caught" is a very bad way to think about the sport we love and sportsmanship in general. We as the fans, have the power to make this a serious, competitive sport but it won't happen until we make a stand.

LOL, that's not at all what I was talking about but ok. I am totally fine with more conclusive testing.

[OumaFan]

My point was I don't know why anybody would have blind faith in a fighter these days. Not that I ever really did but this "oh he's a great guy he wouldn't do that shit" just isn't realistic. I am a fan of Cotto actually, not so much JMM but I like him, but would it surprise anybody to find out after being possibly cheated twice that he was on PED's the whole time? Wouldn't surprise me cause it wouldn't surprise me about anybody. Before the psychos start swarming around I don't have any reason to think he is, just making the point cause he's seen as a guy who has been cheated.

[Gandalf]

No, I am not idealistic anymore. It's like with life, you start off idealistic and gradually the realisation that corruption and greed is everywhere begins to whittle away at you. It's not like in the films where the good guy wins in the end. The crooks have it all and they are here to stay.

I've also been a huge Toney fan, but it really pissed me off when he was caught for using drugs. And then he did it again! It's cheating, plain and simple. I've never seen the appeal in cheating. I have never done it and I struggle to understand the thinking of people that do it. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that what I did was flawed and illegal. Where is the satisfaction in that? It's a hollow victory.

Yep, Mosley too. Comes across as a really likeable guy, but another one that got caught out. I was always against Manny because this is boxing and you have to support your own fighters, but I always recognised that he comes across as a fairly decent chap. However, coming across as a fairly likeable chap just doesn't cut it anymore. He is another one acting up like a crook. Maybe guilty, maybe not. But the actions are not suggestive of someone with nothing to hide.

[miron_lang]

Al berrnstein's article is such a relief.

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[OumaFan]

I really like Al and I agree with some of his points about Manny improving his technique as he went along and that just cause he's done well moving up doesn't mean he should be cast as a drug user but he ignores the gigantic elephant in the room.

Why won't he just take the blood tests?

Saying he hasn't failed a test yet is really just deflection. There are ways to get around the standard tests. Everyone knows it. Its not even worth discussing.

Saying it would disrupt his training is the only semi-viable excuse and its really not a very good one.

[Andre]

I really like Al and I agree with some of his points about Manny improving his technique as he went along and that just cause he's done well moving up doesn't mean he should be cast as a drug user but he ignores the gigantic elephant in the room.

Why won't he just take the blood tests?

Saying he hasn't failed a test yet is really just deflection. There are ways to get around the standard tests. Everyone knows it. Its not even worth discussing.

Saying it would disrupt his training is the only semi-viable excuse and its really not a very good one.

Surprising exactly what humans choose to believe in order to not have to face up to some things (mainly the truth).



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