British women is raped in Dubai but is locked up herself..

[Andre]

Just to be provocative ( and any rape is a bad thing that should be investigated and punished) ...... this woman was in a Muslim country, pissed out of her head so much she was semi-conscious in the toilet, and was also breaking the strict decency laws of that country.

No matter whether we agree or not, sex outside marriage is illegal in Dubai.

If a woman reported a crime in the UK (or America), and then was also discovered to have broken other laws herself, she would be charged for those offences. I don;t think that being a victim of a crime gives you a 'get out of jail free' card for any bad things you may have done yourself?

I dont get it X, whats funny about that?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

X

That ain't funny.

It's an Islamic country so why are they serving alcohol?
Why let unmarried couple in the country?

Oh yeah. Money.

I've known plenty of 'good' muslims drink.

And Cairo is considered fairly liberal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGFZNd2jfR8

[X]

It wasn't meant to be funny, Missy ..... I was playing devil's advocate bit ......... but my point that being a victim of a crime does not give you immunity for your own crimes was meant seriously.

The fact that we may not agree that those things should be classified as crimes is not relevant (there are many laws here that I dont think should be classified as a crime, but nevertheless they are.)

The fact that she was being served alcohol is also not relevant (it is an offence for muslims to drink alcohol, but not non-muslims ..... I would think it's a trifle naive to then drink so much that you are slumped semi conscious in a toliet - thats not the way to get much sympathy from an islamic judge) Incidentally, it is Whahhabi muslims who explicitly forbid alcohol, many other forms of Islam do not (you're right about Egypt, but there is also Indonesia and lots of other places - the Koran is a bit unclear on this, its a bit like trying to get definitive predictions from Nostrodamus.)

I'm not condoning or defending any rape that took place.

[Andre]

It wasn't meant to be funny, Missy ..... I was playing devil's advocate bit ......... but my point that being a victim of a crime does not give you immunity for your own crimes was meant seriously.

The fact that we may not agree that those things should be classified as crimes is not relevant (there are many laws here that I dont think should be classified as a crime, but nevertheless they are.)

The fact that she was being served alcohol is also not relevant (it is an offence for muslims to drink alcohol, but not non-muslims ..... I would think it's a trifle naive to then drink so much that you are slumped semi conscious in a toliet - thats not the way to get much sympathy from an islamic judge) Incidentally, it is Whahhabi muslims who explicitly forbid alcohol, many other forms of Islam do not (you're right about Egypt, but there is also Indonesia and lots of other places - the Koran is a bit unclear on this, its a bit like trying to get definitive predictions from Nostrodamus.)

I'm not condoning or defending any rape that took place.

Well, I give up, I still dont get it.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

It wasn't meant to be funny, Missy ..... I was playing devil's advocate bit ......... but my point that being a victim of a crime does not give you immunity for your own crimes was meant seriously.

The fact that we may not agree that those things should be classified as crimes is not relevant (there are many laws here that I dont think should be classified as a crime, but nevertheless they are.)

The fact that she was being served alcohol is also not relevant (it is an offence for muslims to drink alcohol, but not non-muslims ..... I would think it's a trifle naive to then drink so much that you are slumped semi conscious in a toliet - thats not the way to get much sympathy from an islamic judge) Incidentally, it is Whahhabi muslims who explicitly forbid alcohol, many other forms of Islam do not (you're right about Egypt, but there is also Indonesia and lots of other places - the Koran is a bit unclear on this, its a bit like trying to get definitive predictions from Nostrodamus.)

I'm not condoning or defending any rape that took place.

How dare a woman go out, she's clearly a whore, let's rape her.

[Gandalf]

It wasn't meant to be funny, Missy ..... I was playing devil's advocate bit ......... but my point that being a victim of a crime does not give you immunity for your own crimes was meant seriously.

The fact that we may not agree that those things should be classified as crimes is not relevant (there are many laws here that I dont think should be classified as a crime, but nevertheless they are.)

The fact that she was being served alcohol is also not relevant (it is an offence for muslims to drink alcohol, but not non-muslims ..... I would think it's a trifle naive to then drink so much that you are slumped semi conscious in a toliet - thats not the way to get much sympathy from an islamic judge) Incidentally, it is Whahhabi muslims who explicitly forbid alcohol, many other forms of Islam do not (you're right about Egypt, but there is also Indonesia and lots of other places - the Koran is a bit unclear on this, its a bit like trying to get definitive predictions from Nostrodamus.)

I'm not condoning or defending any rape that took place.

How dare a woman go out, she's clearly a whore, let's rape her.

I don't think it's as simple as that. Any person, male or female, should be very careful when stepping into an environment that they just don't know. Behaviour that is the norm in the UK is dangerous in places like Dubai. That doesn't excuse her being raped, but it does mean that others shouldn't follow suit. Hopefully the media attention wakes a few people up. People should stay away from shitholes like Dubai....and Las Vegas too. I don't care what people say, these are the last places on earth I would want to visit.

[X]

It wasn't meant to be funny, Missy ..... I was playing devil's advocate bit ......... but my point that being a victim of a crime does not give you immunity for your own crimes was meant seriously.

The fact that we may not agree that those things should be classified as crimes is not relevant (there are many laws here that I dont think should be classified as a crime, but nevertheless they are.)

The fact that she was being served alcohol is also not relevant (it is an offence for muslims to drink alcohol, but not non-muslims ..... I would think it's a trifle naive to then drink so much that you are slumped semi conscious in a toliet - thats not the way to get much sympathy from an islamic judge) Incidentally, it is Whahhabi muslims who explicitly forbid alcohol, many other forms of Islam do not (you're right about Egypt, but there is also Indonesia and lots of other places - the Koran is a bit unclear on this, its a bit like trying to get definitive predictions from Nostrodamus.)

I'm not condoning or defending any rape that took place.

How dare a woman go out, she's clearly a whore, let's rape her.

Yes, exactly ....... I'm glad you've seen the righteousness of my view now.

[X]

Incidentally, before we scream blue murder at Islam for this .... let's read the Christian Bible (the Word of God, in exactly the same way as the Koran, according to some)

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

[Andre]

Incidentally, before we scream blue murder at Islam for this .... let's read the Christian Bible (the Word of God, in exactly the same way as the Koran, according to some)

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

To be fair; that is not the Christian bible. The old testament is the record of the Jews and of the way of their law as it was.

You are right it was (is for some) still in line with the antiquated Muslim laws.

In the (Christian New testament ) it is stated the way of the law leads to death, the way of the spirit leads you out of death into life.


A road out of the animal kingdom mentality had to be paved first of course via law and word,then a road out of the group mentality of "them and us" was then paved by giving the individual back their own power of choice through the power of compassion over thoughts.

Its attempting to teach some how to separate real mind from brain activity which leads to recognition of the difference between simple awareness and full consciousness.

Evolution of the Human individualized spirit has been a very slow reoccurring process. Too slow, because some choose to feel safe by refusing to move and some others by going back into fear instead of forward into love.

The group mentality of both is what makes them feel safe and right in it.
Its just basic fears and judgments aimed outwards onto others so that they feel they dont have to deal with their own sh!t.

They all have a bit of a shock coming.

[El Kabong]

X

That ain't funny.

It's an Islamic country so why are they serving alcohol?
Why let unmarried couple in the country?

Oh yeah. Money.

I've known plenty of 'good' muslims drink.

And Cairo is considered fairly liberal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGFZNd2jfR8

...at least nobody was shot