Could prime Foreman have beaten Wladimir?

[boxer dude]

I think a young or old Big George would have beat Wlad, his chin is way too suspect if you ask me. A young George would have eventually nailed him with one of those wild shots and an older smarter George would have eventually set him up for a nice right cross like he did Moore. Either way I like Big George.

[rjj tszyu]

Foreman would destroy Wlad IMO. He had a great jab (maybe even better than Wlads) that set up the hardest punches in history, and when them punches land on Wlad i'm sorry but it's lights out.

George really had good fundamentals it's just he hit so damned hard people forget how good at just boxing he actually was!

[boxer dude]

If anything Vitali who has never really gotten beat, had a better shot at beating George. Lets not forget the eras in which these two fighters come from. Wladimir and his brother have ruled a rather weak heavy weight division, big George is an all time great, and he fought and beat some all time greats, Wladimir not so much. I think Frazier would have probably Ko'd Wlademir and we all know what Foreman did to him.

[ICB]

You guys must be kidding, Wladimir Klitschko is deadly cautious against fighters like Sultan Ibragimov. And you think he beats a prime George Foreman ? no way no how.

Wladimir Klitschko has a weak chin, he has suspect stamina. And the only reason he is improved. Is because he fights so cautiously, which i got nothing against.

But then again he's only allowed to get away with that, because there's not real Heavyweight's around to test him.

A prime George Foreman in the early 70's, had underrated speed. And was quite loose suprisingly, if you watch his fight vs George Chuvalo you'll see what i mean. It certainly shocked me when i see it.

And if anyone says George Foreman can't KO Wladimir Klitschko, late on because he had suspect stamina in the 70's and was too wild. Then i suggest you look at his win over a good boxer Gregorio Peralta, he stopped him in the 10th round, and Gregorio Peralta was a good boxer.

And eventually George Foreman would catch up to Wladimir Klitschko, there's no way Wladimir Klitschko would be able to fight the entire fight. Not getting hit with one of George Foreman's bombs, and it would only take one flush punch from George Foreman.

You're saying Foreman would beat Klitschko on the strength of Sultan Ibragimov? Do the two fight ANYTHING alike? Klitschko was cautious because he didn't know how good Sultan's chin was and he was good defensively. Sultan was waiting to load up with a hayemaker to try to take him out. Any fighter willing to stand and trade with Klitschko is in for a rude awakening. Klitschko is much better defensively than any incarnation of Foreman and he's also much lighter on his feet than any incarnation of Foreman. People who just stand in front of either fighter are going to lose badly and Klitschko prepares for every fighter. He would have been quick enough to give movement to George so he wouldn't have a standing target.

And let's not underrate Klitschko's power. Michael Moorer, as he put it, was crushing George before the KO came. Wlad would hit him even harder and actually pay attention to his defense. Sure, Foreman could have knocked him out had he landed a couple 1-2s, but Klitschko would have reduced the likelihood of that happening. In the meantime, any version of Foreman was hittable and I don't see Foreman lasting after 2 dozen or so of those straight rights landing flush.

No im basing it on every single Wladimir Klitschko fight since the Chris Byrd fight, and even then he was only more aggressive because Chris Byrd is a very small Heavyweight.

[Pugilistic]

Prime Foreman would KO prime Wlad.

It would likely be a come from behind KO with Wlad outboxing him for most of the fight.

[El Kabong]

Depends on what night they catch each other on...if Wlad got the Foreman that lost to Jimmy Young then hell yes Wlad would win because Wlad is a hell of a lot better fighter than Jimmy Young ever thought about being. But I rate George really high, he was a devistating puncher, awkward, strong, yet fast and pretty light on his feet for a big slugger (see how he moved vs Frazier) and if Wlad even got the Foreman that got knocked down by Ron Lyle he'd have his hands full. Wlad let's shots to the body land too often, if he let that hammering right hook land it would stand him up straight, drop his guard and George would chop him down.

Wlad would hold his own though, "china chin" or no, Wlad is a hell of a boxer and I can't tell you how tired I am of people dissing him or not giving him the respect he deserves. Saying shit like "Well all you have to do to Wlad is catch him" that's bullshit for the vast majority of fighters out there right now if it's Lennox Lewis or Earnie Shavers or Mike Tyson or Ron Lyle or whoever maybe you're right but for the guys out there right now...I think the Sam Peter fight showed that even a psychologically weak Wladimir is still a very difficult fighter to beat, saying "all you have to do is catch him" is like saying "all you have to do to beat Joe Frazier is outbox him"....it's a lot easier said than done.

I would say based purely on styles it's a toss up fight I see it probably out of 100 60-40 for Foreman just based on his power, relentlessness, and mindset. Mind you I see Wlad doing a hell of a lot better vs Foreman than I see Tyson doing vs Foreman just because of the style match up and how Tyson's style can be compared to Frazier's just in where they liked to fight (inside), their footwork (not used to getting out of the danger zone), and mental make up.

[KananKrus]

The Hardest puncher in the history of boxing vs a fighter with a notoriously fragile chin. Great thread.

This just about summed it up!


In addition, as big as Klitschko is, George Foreman probably won't be able to lift him with those viscious signature uppercuts, but knock Wladimir out, with any power shot, wouldn't be a hard task for Big George.

[Hulk]

You guys must be kidding, Wladimir Klitschko is deadly cautious against fighters like Sultan Ibragimov. And you think he beats a prime George Foreman ? no way no how.

Wladimir Klitschko has a weak chin, he has suspect stamina. And the only reason he is improved. Is because he fights so cautiously, which i got nothing against.

But then again he's only allowed to get away with that, because there's not real Heavyweight's around to test him.

A prime George Foreman in the early 70's, had underrated speed. And was quite loose suprisingly, if you watch his fight vs George Chuvalo you'll see what i mean. It certainly shocked me when i see it.

And if anyone says George Foreman can't KO Wladimir Klitschko, late on because he had suspect stamina in the 70's and was too wild. Then i suggest you look at his win over a good boxer Gregorio Peralta, he stopped him in the 10th round, and Gregorio Peralta was a good boxer.

And eventually George Foreman would catch up to Wladimir Klitschko, there's no way Wladimir Klitschko would be able to fight the entire fight. Not getting hit with one of George Foreman's bombs, and it would only take one flush punch from George Foreman.

lol

Thank you. At least we agree on this.

This whole thread and question is a fucking joke and an insult to any true boxing fan.

Foreman would KO Wladimir every day of the week and twice on Sundays. And he'd be able to do it quite easily.

Jesus Christ we've had crap heavyweights for so long people have forgotten what REAL heavyweights really were.

[El Kabong]

[Foreman would KO Wladimir every day of the week and twice on Sundays. And he'd be able to do it quite easily.

Jesus Christ we've had crap heavyweights for so long people have forgotten what REAL heavyweights really were.

#1 No he wouldn't because it's not easy to KO the guy, just because Corrie Sanders swinging like a fucking maniac was able to catch him and Purrity and Brewster were able to withstand beat downs doesn't mean it's "easy to do" because if it was so fucking simple someone else would have already done it again. I'm sick to fucking death of hearing about the 3 God damned losses...."Wlad has no chin, he can't take a punch, he never let's his hands go" waaaaaah waaaaah waaah...will you bastards ever shut the fuck up with that bullshit? Does anyone remember the last time Wlad got hurt with a punch? VS Sam Peter probably back in 2005 or maybe does anyone remember the last time Wlad ran out of gas in a fight? Maybe vs Lamon Brewster in 2004....those problems may still exist to some extent or another but since 2005 Wladimir hasn't gotten hurt, he hasn't gassed out, he hasn't looked out of place in the ring...I'm not so sure he's lost over 4 rounds in the 8 fights he's had since 2005. But oooooh no we have to keep beating the drum about what a bad chin he has and how bad his stamina is.

#2 The problem with the heavyweight division more than any other division is that stupid mother fuckers like you(all due respect) always look back at what we had instead of looking at what we have. And the point of that is as boxing fans looking at the heavyweight division we're hypercritical....people see Wladimir Klitschko and nobody wants to talk about the 53 wins and 47 KO's everyone ONLY focuses on 3 losses and them being 3 stoppages and looking at a fighter that way isn't fair, it doesn't do his record any justice and no one gives him any true credit they give him the backhanded compliments like "He's the best of a bad division" and anyone that says that can fuck off because I'm sick of fucking reading it.


You guys do LOVE make this an impossible to win argument by first attacking Wlad's weaknesses as a fighter and then attacking his competition, but PRIME George Foreman got schooled by Jimmy Young. You guys bring up Frazier...Joe Frazier was MADE TO ORDER for Foreman, he stands in front of you bobs up and down right into hooks and uppercuts, and at that point in time only fought with one arm....great fighter yes but the style was all wrong to fight Foreman. If you are going to fight Foreman you want to keep him at distance, move, and pick your shots and if he ever gets in range you tie him up....what better fighter not in the Top 10 All-Time Great Heavyweights could you pick to run that gameplan?

....but I guess you bastards will continue to go around and give no credit to Wlad and his accomplishments and call yourselves "boxing fans" and be total assholes, keep up the good work you give us all a great name being intolerant whiney little punks who long for the days of Riddick Bowe, Evander Holyfield, and Lennox Lewis where the same little group of assholes was saying the same shit then as they are right now "Remember when Larry Holmes was fighting....man he was a great heavyweight, Evander Holyfield is a nobody, he's too small, he's boring, he can't knock anyone out".......



I'm not at odds with anyone saying Foreman would win, or win alot but people that just brush this off like it's similar to Foreman fighting Peter McNeely or Kevin McBride ...that's a fucking outrage and that's why I ranted.



let it be known, I fucking hate you bastards


Have a nice day

[boxer dude]

You guys must be kidding, Wladimir Klitschko is deadly cautious against fighters like Sultan Ibragimov. And you think he beats a prime George Foreman ? no way no how.

Wladimir Klitschko has a weak chin, he has suspect stamina. And the only reason he is improved. Is because he fights so cautiously, which i got nothing against.

But then again he's only allowed to get away with that, because there's not real Heavyweight's around to test him.

A prime George Foreman in the early 70's, had underrated speed. And was quite loose suprisingly, if you watch his fight vs George Chuvalo you'll see what i mean. It certainly shocked me when i see it.

And if anyone says George Foreman can't KO Wladimir Klitschko, late on because he had suspect stamina in the 70's and was too wild. Then i suggest you look at his win over a good boxer Gregorio Peralta, he stopped him in the 10th round, and Gregorio Peralta was a good boxer.

And eventually George Foreman would catch up to Wladimir Klitschko, there's no way Wladimir Klitschko would be able to fight the entire fight. Not getting hit with one of George Foreman's bombs, and it would only take one flush punch from George Foreman.

lol

Thank you. At least we agree on this.

This whole thread and question is a fucking joke and an insult to any true boxing fan.

Foreman would KO Wladimir every day of the week and twice on Sundays. And he'd be able to do it quite easily.

Jesus Christ we've had crap heavyweights for so long people have forgotten what REAL heavyweights really were.

could not agree more Hulk

[El Kabong]

could not agree more Hulk

....oh please do go on, I wish to hear the tales of the olden days where heavyweight Champions never lost, never got hurt, never got knocked down, never ran out of gas, and never got outboxed but they fought the hands down greatest fighters of all time and beat them but in beating them they never took away the glory of their fallen foes.


Explain to me this logic please....do you think guys like Miguel Angel Paez and Terry Sorrell and Scott LeDoux and Jose Roman could hang with Wladimir Klitschko? Do you think Chuvalo could? Do you think Frazier could?

....I'm not trying to say Wladimir is a top 10 all time heavyweight, I'm not trying to say anything like that but for you guys to continue this bullshit acting like he's not even a challenge to anyone from the past eras.....you're just being fucking foolish. Who was 6'7, 243 pounds, with KO power AND world class boxing skill back then? NO-FREAKING-BODY that's who!

We may as well say "John L Sullivan was much better than Foreman, I mean look how he fought, look at his record, AND he fought bare knuckled, AND they drank whiskey between rounds instead of water AND blah blah blah blah".....the FACT is Wladimir has lost 3 times 1 early in his career, and two more times nearly back to back which he eventually rebounded from and he's been dominant ever since. But I'm sure you guys will just go back and focus on those losses, forgetting all about Jimmy Young and him beating George Foreman or Foreman being dropped by Ron Lyle who more than likely didn't punch as hard as Wlad.....but that's cool you guys just go about your merry ignorant ways

[Hulk]

could not agree more Hulk

....oh please do go on, I wish to hear the tales of the olden days where heavyweight Champions never lost, never got hurt, never got knocked down, never ran out of gas, and never got outboxed but they fought the hands down greatest fighters of all time and beat them but in beating them they never took away the glory of their fallen foes.


Explain to me this logic please....do you think guys like Miguel Angel Paez and Terry Sorrell and Scott LeDoux and Jose Roman could hang with Wladimir Klitschko? Do you think Chuvalo could? Do you think Frazier could?

....I'm not trying to say Wladimir is a top 10 all time heavyweight, I'm not trying to say anything like that but for you guys to continue this bullshit acting like he's not even a challenge to anyone from the past eras.....you're just being fucking foolish. Who was 6'7, 243 pounds, with KO power AND world class boxing skill back then? NO-FREAKING-BODY that's who!

We may as well say "John L Sullivan was much better than Foreman, I mean look how he fought, look at his record, AND he fought bare knuckled, AND they drank whiskey between rounds instead of water AND blah blah blah blah".....the FACT is Wladimir has lost 3 times 1 early in his career, and two more times nearly back to back which he eventually rebounded from and he's been dominant ever since. But I'm sure you guys will just go back and focus on those losses, forgetting all about Jimmy Young and him beating George Foreman or Foreman being dropped by Ron Lyle who more than likely didn't punch as hard as Wlad.....but that's cool you guys just go about your merry ignorant ways

Jesus H. Christ ! You'd think I called your mother a whore or something...

SHUT UP.

Wlad sucks compared to George Foreman who is a legend and IMO one of the top 5 greatest heavyweights ever. Easily top 10.

Get in the real world.

Foreman is not Sam Peter. Foremon would CRUSH Wladimir with over hand rights to the temple.

The Klitschko brothers are like the cutest ugly girls at the bar.

Their the best of the worst.

A prime George Foreman was the BEST OF THE BEST.

[boxer dude]

could not agree more Hulk

....oh please do go on, I wish to hear the tales of the olden days where heavyweight Champions never lost, never got hurt, never got knocked down, never ran out of gas, and never got outboxed but they fought the hands down greatest fighters of all time and beat them but in beating them they never took away the glory of their fallen foes.


Explain to me this logic please....do you think guys like Miguel Angel Paez and Terry Sorrell and Scott LeDoux and Jose Roman could hang with Wladimir Klitschko? Do you think Chuvalo could? Do you think Frazier could?

....I'm not trying to say Wladimir is a top 10 all time heavyweight, I'm not trying to say anything like that but for you guys to continue this bullshit acting like he's not even a challenge to anyone from the past eras.....you're just being fucking foolish. Who was 6'7, 243 pounds, with KO power AND world class boxing skill back then? NO-FREAKING-BODY that's who!

We may as well say "John L Sullivan was much better than Foreman, I mean look how he fought, look at his record, AND he fought bare knuckled, AND they drank whiskey between rounds instead of water AND blah blah blah blah".....the FACT is Wladimir has lost 3 times 1 early in his career, and two more times nearly back to back which he eventually rebounded from and he's been dominant ever since. But I'm sure you guys will just go back and focus on those losses, forgetting all about Jimmy Young and him beating George Foreman or Foreman being dropped by Ron Lyle who more than likely didn't punch as hard as Wlad.....but that's cool you guys just go about your merry ignorant ways

Smoking Joe would have done much more than just hang with Wlad, he would have probably knocked him out, and yeah when your as big as Wlad u have a chance to hang with anyone. The way the question was asked "could george have beaten wlad" was all wrong if anything it should have been the other way around. And screw going all the way back to "the old days" just go back a few years to the late 80's and even mid 90's to the days of Bowe, Holyfield, Holmes, Tyson, and Lewis and Wlad would have been nothing more than a contender. But the division has indeed sucked for so long that we have indeed forgoten what a true heavyweight warrior looks like.

[El Kabong]

Jesus H. Christ ! You'd think I called your mother a whore or something...

SHUT UP.

Wlad sucks compared to George Foreman who is a legend and IMO one of the top 5 greatest heavyweights ever. Easily top 10.

Get in the real world.

Foreman is not Sam Peter. Foremon would CRUSH Wladimir with over hand rights to the temple.

The Klitschko brothers are like the cutest ugly girls at the bar.

Their the best of the worst.

A prime George Foreman was the BEST OF THE BEST.

Did I say George Foreman sucked? Did I compare George Foreman to Sam Peter? No, I am a huge George Foreman fan but that being said you're posting unreasonable bullshit like "The Klitschko's are the cutest ugly girls at the bar"......oh I guess they don't go out like some mindless street punks and swing for the fucking fences at the start of a fight they don't fight like the guys at the Toughman competitions at your National Guard Armory and in your eyes that makes them somehow less compotent as fighters and apparently you don't appreciate someone who actually boxes and if you consider yourself a true boxing fan I find those ideas hard to put together.

I am not trying to undermine what anyone thinks of George Foreman, you know God damn well Foreman is one of my favorite fighters of all time, but I'm just sick of the bullshit posted about the Klitschko's. They have been in the division for a long time, they've paid their dues, and they deserve respect. So they don't have anyone to fight did that make Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, or Mike Tyson worse fighters? Those guys had "weak eras" hell part of Lennox Lewis' era was weak but eventually people started to respect his game because of the simple fact that "it takes talent to be the heavyweight champion" it doesn't matter who you fight it doesn't matter what era you are in it doesn't matter if you've got some previous losses as a matter of fact being able to rebound from losses is quite impressive in it's own right. I'm just saying the outright hating on the Klitschko's serves no purpose and as a boxing fan it's irresponsible and ridiculous to hate on them.

You can say George wins every time and I'm fine with that but when people just write off the Klitschko's as "the best of a bad era" that's wrong and it pisses me off that anyone considering themself to be some kind of true boxing fan would post that.

[Hulk]

Jesus H. Christ ! You'd think I called your mother a whore or something...

SHUT UP.

Wlad sucks compared to George Foreman who is a legend and IMO one of the top 5 greatest heavyweights ever. Easily top 10.

Get in the real world.

Foreman is not Sam Peter. Foremon would CRUSH Wladimir with over hand rights to the temple.

The Klitschko brothers are like the cutest ugly girls at the bar.

Their the best of the worst.

A prime George Foreman was the BEST OF THE BEST.

Did I say George Foreman sucked? Did I compare George Foreman to Sam Peter? No, I am a huge George Foreman fan but that being said you're posting unreasonable bullshit like "The Klitschko's are the cutest ugly girls at the bar"......oh I guess they don't go out like some mindless street punks and swing for the fucking fences at the start of a fight they don't fight like the guys at the Toughman competitions at your National Guard Armory and in your eyes that makes them somehow less compotent as fighters and apparently you don't appreciate someone who actually boxes and if you consider yourself a true boxing fan I find those ideas hard to put together.

I am not trying to undermine what anyone thinks of George Foreman, you know God damn well Foreman is one of my favorite fighters of all time, but I'm just sick of the bullshit posted about the Klitschko's. They have been in the division for a long time, they've paid their dues, and they deserve respect. So they don't have anyone to fight did that make Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, or Mike Tyson worse fighters? Those guys had "weak eras" hell part of Lennox Lewis' era was weak but eventually people started to respect his game because of the simple fact that "it takes talent to be the heavyweight champion" it doesn't matter who you fight it doesn't matter what era you are in it doesn't matter if you've got some previous losses as a matter of fact being able to rebound from losses is quite impressive in it's own right. I'm just saying the outright hating on the Klitschko's serves no purpose and as a boxing fan it's irresponsible and ridiculous to hate on them.

You can say George wins every time and I'm fine with that but when people just write off the Klitschko's as "the best of a bad era" that's wrong and it pisses me off that anyone considering themself to be some kind of true boxing fan would post that.

Well I think I speak for a lot people when I say I'm tired of every time someone says something bad about the damn Klitschko brothers, you jump down their throat and attack them and have a damn hissy fit Lyle.

You seem to be a Klitschko fan first and a boxing fan second.

I have not once seen you concede that either brother would lose to an all time great like Foreman or Holmes or whomever it may be at the time.