Could prime Foreman have beaten Wladimir?

[denilson200]

I was just thinking about this today, and baring a big lucky punch I just don't see Foreman standing a chance. I think Wlad would use good movement and his jab and totally keep Foreman at bay. In his day George was so big, but in comparison he is two inches shorter and 25 pounds lighter than Wladimir, and as strong as he was I don't see with his lack of footwork how he would have the power to bull through Wlad's jab.

Are you serious ? If a prime Foreman fought Wlad. Wlad would have two chance SLIM and NONE........and SLIM just left town !!! Let's break it down here. A 45 year old Foreman won the world title. A 43 year old Foreman fought a peak Holyfield and went the distance with him. So even when Foreman was way past his best he was still able to mix it with the best of there day. So given these facts one can only shudder in awe as to how good he must have been when he was 25 and as a side note. How good must have Ali been to beat him and not only that but knockout him out (Foremans only knockout loss and knockdown) and Ali was 32 when he beat Foreman. So how good must have Ali been when was 25 ?

Anyway I digress. Getting back to the subject. I think the question should be NOT if Wlad would have beaten a peak Foreman (Because that's just silly) a more accurate question would be if Wlad would have beaten a peak Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, Tony Tucker or Frank Bruno because that's more his level.

[Zilla]

I was just thinking about this today, and baring a big lucky punch I just don't see Foreman standing a chance. I think Wlad would use good movement and his jab and totally keep Foreman at bay. In his day George was so big, but in comparison he is two inches shorter and 25 pounds lighter than Wladimir, and as strong as he was I don't see with his lack of footwork how he would have the power to bull through Wlad's jab.

Are you serious ? If a prime Foreman fought Wlad. Wlad would have two chance SLIM and NONE........and SLIM just left town !!! Let's break it down here. A 45 year old Foreman won the world title. A 43 year old Foreman fought a peak Holyfield and went the distance with him. So even when Foreman was way past his best he was still able to mix it with the best of there day. So given these facts one can only shudder in awe as to how good he must have been when he was 25 and as a side note. How good must have Ali been to beat him and not only that but knockout him out (Foremans only knockout loss and knockdown) and Ali was 32 when he beat Foreman. So how good must have Ali been when was 25 ?

Anyway I digress. Getting back to the subject. I think the question should be NOT if Wlad would have beaten a peak Foreman (Because that's just silly) a more accurate question would be if Wlad would have beaten a peak Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, Tony Tucker or Frank Bruno because that's more his level.

So your argument is because Foreman beat Moorer and went the distance with Holyfield then he would have beaten Klitschko, a fighter who is taller, bigger and stronger than either. I would say smarter than what Moorer was that night too considering he didn't listen to his corner and Wlad always listens to Steward. Foreman wasn't infallible and the elder version was completely different than the younger considering what he gained in ring smarts he lost in reflexes and mobility. Wlad would test Foreman's chin after the 2nd round or so with the straight right so Foreman definitely wouldn't just be able to walk in. The version that beat Sam Peter is a lot more polished now and if Sam were in his prime Wlad would easily dismantle him. Everybody has off nights and that was Klitschkos as he was adjusting to a new style instead of straight up brawling until the other guy dropped or he did.

[piye]

Funny thing is Wlad is not a bad fighter i find him boring but he can fight. But Foreman wins this so easily it's mad.

[El Kabong]

SEANIE, you've made a post on this thread but you've managed to #1 not add anything to the conversation and #2 make it apparent to everyone that you're a moron.

littlebif, I suppose Foreman's superior defense makes him impervious to anything Wladimir would throw or is Wlad allowed to punch back in this hypothetical match up?

Anyway I digress. Getting back to the subject. I think the question should be NOT if Wlad would have beaten a peak Foreman (Because that's just silly) a more accurate question would be if Wlad would have beaten a peak Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, Tony Tucker or Frank Bruno because that's more his level.

Yes Wladimir would beat all of them and fairly easily....maybe Mercer COULD give him trouble but the style matchups with the rest all favor Wladimir.

The fighter I think beats Wlad more often than not is a Prime Evander Holyfield, solid defense, good boxing pedigree, good handspeed, a granite chin, a high workrate, and he had good enough power to hurt anyone...it wasn't 1 punch KO power but he'd rough a fighter up. That constant pressure round after round and perhaps Wlad wouldn't be able to either land clean or really hurt Evander would really wear on Wlad.

[piye]

wlad is not and never will be an atg i do not think it's fair to compare him to one. every atg beats him.

[El Kabong]

wlad is not and never will be an atg i do not think it's fair to compare him to one. every atg beats him.

While I agree that it's kind of tough to compare him to the All-Time greats, I don't think we should slam the door shut on the chance he may be able to sneak in there 53(47 KO)-3 at 33 years old isn't a horrible record in any era, and it's not like he has ducked anyone and you can't blame him for a weak era.

I think there are a fair number of Good maybe Great Heavyweights Wlad would hold his own with and some he would definently beat.

[jon09]

Foreman is a master chess player in the ring who later on had patients and 1 helluva punch to knockout anyone. Vlad has very good skills that have developed more and more under Manny's expertise. I think the 1988 to 1997 Foreman would have walked down Vlad eaten alot of jabs and a few right hands but would have eventually caught Vlad and taken him out. Now the younger version before Ali's devastating loss would have showed no fear and probably would have mowed him down like Corrie Sanders did. I'm going with both versions of George Foreman's by ko.

[El Kabong]

I don't think #1 Old Foreman had the defense to handle Wladimir and #2 Wlad ain't stupid, he wouldn't gas out or stand right infront of Big George....you people mention how cautious he is now, you don't think he'd be able to stick and move for 12 vs Old Foreman?

While I agree Young Foreman more than likely would have KO'd Wlad you can't compare Foreman to Corrie Sanders they are two totally different fighters and Wlad is a different fighter now.

Just who the hell do you guys think Wlad could beat? Jerry Quarry maybe? Primo Carnera? Archie Moore? Bob Foster?....I mean you guys call the hypothetical matchup between Wlad and Foreman "ridiculous" but you still see Old Foreman not just beating but KO-ing Wlad?!?! If Shannon Briggs can survive (not saying he won the fight because he got a gift) but if he can last the distance without an "asthma attack" then so could Wlad....if Tommy Morrison could outbox Old Foreman then so could Wlad.

[generalbulldog]

Yes to the question. It's as if the OP is making it out that prime Foreman has no chance.

Might as well start a thread that asks, "Can a Prime Ali beat Wlad?"

[El Kabong]

Yes to the question. It's as if the OP is making it out that prime Foreman has no chance.

Might as well start a thread that asks, "Can a Prime Ali beat Wlad?"

Ali had his fair share of troubles vs not so great fighters so once again it's not implausable (albeit very unlikely) for Wlad to have beaten Ali.

[rjj tszyu]

I don't think #1 Old Foreman had the defense to handle Wladimir and #2 Wlad ain't stupid, he wouldn't gas out or stand right infront of Big George....you people mention how cautious he is now, you don't think he'd be able to stick and move for 12 vs Old Foreman?

While I agree Young Foreman more than likely would have KO'd Wlad you can't compare Foreman to Corrie Sanders they are two totally different fighters and Wlad is a different fighter now.

Just who the hell do you guys think Wlad could beat? Jerry Quarry maybe? Primo Carnera? Archie Moore? Bob Foster?....I mean you guys call the hypothetical matchup between Wlad and Foreman "ridiculous" but you still see Old Foreman not just beating but KO-ing Wlad?!?! If Shannon Briggs can survive (not saying he won the fight because he got a gift) but if he can last the distance without an "asthma attack" then so could Wlad....if Tommy Morrison could outbox Old Foreman then so could Wlad.

I agree, if Wlad could stay 100% strict with himself for the full 12 rounds he would decision Old Foreman. Moorer was outboxing him until he tried to get slightly macho. Holyfield let himself get dragged into a war that he should not have done and Morrison who I always found to be a great watch due to his brawling type style although he lacked in certain other skills, knew if he stayed away from Foremans power and he could win a decision.