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Re: What does being undefeated really mean these days?
Undefeated means Undefeated. How special that record is depends soley on who has been defeated during that unbeaten run and in which manner. Also taken into the equation is how many matches have been avoided in order to keep that zero intact. I have more respect for the Cotto's of this world than I do for the Ottke's.
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Resume and quality of fights are the most important criteria. Undefeated record is only for the general public and newbie fight fans to get orgasmic about.
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If Floyd retired now he'd have one of the best undefeated records in history.
Undefeated records mainly concern prospects/novice champions. It's rare for a fighter to retire unbeaten and be considered a great.
Nobody considers Ottke a great (or unbeaten).. Floyd is a proven great whether he faces Mosley/Pac or not. Even if you try to pick holes in his resume, the man has been top 10 P4P ranked for ten years. How can a fighter be considered one of the very best in the world for such a time without being a great?
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Re: What does being undefeated really mean these days?
He was retired during that time and p4p is subjective, has he fought any dangerous welters in the time he has been there?Originally Posted by Fenster
If Floyd retired now he'd have one of the best undefeated records in history.
Undefeated records mainly concern prospects/novice champions. It's rare for a fighter to retire unbeaten and be considered a great.
Nobody considers Ottke a great (or unbeaten).. Floyd is a proven great whether he faces Mosley/Pac or not. Even if you try to pick holes in his resume, the man has been top 10 P4P ranked for ten years. How can a fighter be considered one of the very best in the world for such a time without being a great?
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Yes P4P is subjective but it's also a leading argument used by hardcore boxing fans, "experts" and fighters themselves. You can't ignore the fact that "experts" ranked him top 10 P4P before he even fought at welterweight.He was retired during that time and p4p is subjective, has he fought any dangerous welters in the time he has been there?If Floyd retired now he'd have one of the best undefeated records in history.
Undefeated records mainly concern prospects/novice champions. It's rare for a fighter to retire unbeaten and be considered a great.
Nobody considers Ottke a great (or unbeaten).. Floyd is a proven great whether he faces Mosley/Pac or not. Even if you try to pick holes in his resume, the man has been top 10 P4P ranked for ten years. How can a fighter be considered one of the very best in the world for such a time without being a great?
Since then he's beaten Zab, Baldomir (to become lineal champion), Oscar, Hatton and Marquez.
Were there a couple of other dangerous guys he could have fought? I guess Cotto, Mosley and Margarito? Problem is, they all beat eachother up and NONE were worth the money Oscar and Hatton were.
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Re: What does being undefeated really mean these days?
To me..... Nothing.
Problem is fighters do seem to lose some marketability when they get beat!!
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You know that statement was just for effect.If Floyd retired now he'd have one of the best undefeated records in history.
Undefeated records mainly concern prospects/novice champions. It's rare for a fighter to retire unbeaten and be considered a great.
Nobody considers Ottke a great (or unbeaten).. Floyd is a proven great whether he faces Mosley/Pac or not. Even if you try to pick holes in his resume, the man has been top 10 P4P ranked for ten years. How can a fighter be considered one of the very best in the world for such a time without being a great?
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Re: What does being undefeated really mean these days?
You know that statement was just for effect.If Floyd retired now he'd have one of the best undefeated records in history.
Undefeated records mainly concern prospects/novice champions. It's rare for a fighter to retire unbeaten and be considered a great.
Nobody considers Ottke a great (or unbeaten).. Floyd is a proven great whether he faces Mosley/Pac or not. Even if you try to pick holes in his resume, the man has been top 10 P4P ranked for ten years. How can a fighter be considered one of the very best in the world for such a time without being a great?
Ottke was good to highlight my point though.
Last edited by Fenster; 01-26-2010 at 08:56 PM.
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