Wladimir Klitschko: Who would he beat?

[Hulk]

Lyle you obviously don't know anything about Tyson because he's the worst possible match-up for Wlad. He'd beat up Wlad so badly it would be nasty to watch. Tyson had more technical skill in his left pinky than Wlad has in his entire arsenal.

I know Mike Tyson got rocked by Bruno, Bonecrusher Smith, Buster Douglas, and Holyfield...all of which we can assume that don't hit as hard as Wladimir.

I know Tyson had trouble with Tony Tucker, Buster Douglas, and Lennox Lewis all of whom were tall lanky boxer/punchers

I mean I get where you are coming from it could be like Tyson-Golota but it could just as easily be like Tyson-Douglas.

Yes Mike had great head movement he cut off the run really well but in hindsight he didn't work all that great on the inside, he allowed for fighters to tie him up, he could get stymied by the jab alone, and the longer you lasted with him the less likely Tyson was to win.

I know no one Wlad has fought has had Tyson-esque head movement but a lot of guys have just stopped looking for a win and started looking for a way out after a few rounds of eating that jab.

It's not a sure thing either way is all I am saying I'd say 60-40 out of 100 fights Tyson-Wlad. That's not unreasonable is it? I mean it may be unreasonable to the people who think Tyson could beat anyone ever in the history of but hey I'm just trying to be reasonable here

hahaha Its admirable how you defend your fighter Lyle. Its just too bad you couldn't have chosen a better fighter to defend.

[Nameless]

Lyle you obviously don't know anything about Tyson because he's the worst possible match-up for Wlad. He'd beat up Wlad so badly it would be nasty to watch. Tyson had more technical skill in his left pinky than Wlad has in his entire arsenal.

I know Mike Tyson got rocked by Bruno, Bonecrusher Smith, Buster Douglas, and Holyfield...all of which we can assume that don't hit as hard as Wladimir.

I know Tyson had trouble with Tony Tucker, Buster Douglas, and Lennox Lewis all of whom were tall lanky boxer/punchers

I mean I get where you are coming from it could be like Tyson-Golota but it could just as easily be like Tyson-Douglas.

Yes Mike had great head movement he cut off the run really well but in hindsight he didn't work all that great on the inside, he allowed for fighters to tie him up, he could get stymied by the jab alone, and the longer you lasted with him the less likely Tyson was to win.

I know no one Wlad has fought has had Tyson-esque head movement but a lot of guys have just stopped looking for a win and started looking for a way out after a few rounds of eating that jab.

It's not a sure thing either way is all I am saying I'd say 60-40 out of 100 fights Tyson-Wlad. That's not unreasonable is it? I mean it may be unreasonable to the people who think Tyson could beat anyone ever in the history of but hey I'm just trying to be reasonable here

hahaha Its admirable how you defend your fighter Lyle. Its just too bad you couldn't have chosen a better fighter to defend.

Actually, his arguments make a lot of sense. NOt saying Wlad would have automatically beaten them all but in all honesty, I think he would have had all his chances. Sometimes the halo of peoples from the past shine to hard that we tend to see them a lot more than what they used to be. Tyson was very good but lacked discipline and struggled against slick guys, especially if they could make it to the fifth rounds where Tyson was then starting to fade dramatically. Maybe it would have been different is D'Amato would have lived longer. Maybe not, we'll never know, but fact, Tyson got beaten badly by Holyfield and LEwis because they were slick and rolling around him and he just couldn't deal with it. As for Ali and the others, I think Wlad would have had his chance, too. Most definitely.

[El Kabong]

hahaha Its admirable how you defend your fighter Lyle. Its just too bad you couldn't have chosen a better fighter to defend.

...yeah if only I could have hopped on the Mayorga bandwagon

[sumkalambay]

people actually think Wlad beats Frazier & Tyson :Lol: Wlad has a better chance against Ali

He might just beat Joe Louis. I'll give you that. Wlad is big and athletic and would pose problems to the slow-footed Joe Louis.

[El Kabong]

people actually think Wlad beats Frazier & Tyson :Lol: Wlad has a better chance against Ali

He might just beat Joe Louis. I'll give you that. Wlad is big and athletic and would pose problems to the slow-footed Joe Louis.

Louis would wipe the floor with the majority of great heavyweights because JOE LOUIS is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

[rjj tszyu]

people actually think Wlad beats Frazier & Tyson :Lol: Wlad has a better chance against Ali

He might just beat Joe Louis. I'll give you that. Wlad is big and athletic and would pose problems to the slow-footed Joe Louis.

Louis would wipe the floor with the majority of great heavyweights because JOE LOUIS is the 2nd greatest heavyweight of all time.

[generalbulldog]

people actually think Wlad beats Frazier & Tyson :Lol: Wlad has a better chance against Ali

He might just beat Joe Louis. I'll give you that. Wlad is big and athletic and would pose problems to the slow-footed Joe Louis.

Louis would wipe the floor with the majority of great heavyweights because JOE LOUIS is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

Joe Louis is probably the greatest HW ever. I know for a fact he never lost to someone 3 times. I mean the so called self proclaimed greatest lost to Ken Norton 3 times and got 2 gift decisions.

I think you would like this article Lyle, it details how Joe Louis would beat the so called greatest.

How Joe Louis Would have Beaten Muhammad Ali

[rjj tszyu]

people actually think Wlad beats Frazier & Tyson :Lol: Wlad has a better chance against Ali

He might just beat Joe Louis. I'll give you that. Wlad is big and athletic and would pose problems to the slow-footed Joe Louis.

Louis would wipe the floor with the majority of great heavyweights because JOE LOUIS is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

Joe Louis is probably the greatest HW ever. I know for a fact he never lost to someone 3 times. I mean the so called self proclaimed greatest lost to Ken Norton 3 times and got 2 gift decisions.

I think you would like this article Lyle, it details how Joe Louis would beat the so called greatest.

How Joe Louis Would have Beaten Muhammad Ali

I beg to differ. I think Ali would beat him. A thousand outcomes can be written but no-one will ever know for sure. Ali certainly fought the better opponents IMO and we can only speculate how good he would have been in his years away from the sport.

[ICB]

people actually think Wlad beats Frazier & Tyson :Lol: Wlad has a better chance against Ali

He might just beat Joe Louis. I'll give you that. Wlad is big and athletic and would pose problems to the slow-footed Joe Louis.

Louis would wipe the floor with the majority of great heavyweights because JOE LOUIS is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

Joe Louis is probably the greatest HW ever. I know for a fact he never lost to someone 3 times. I mean the so called self proclaimed greatest lost to Ken Norton 3 times and got 2 gift decisions.

I think you would like this article Lyle, it details how Joe Louis would beat the so called greatest.

How Joe Louis Would have Beaten Muhammad Ali

Actually Muhammad Ali had 6 gift decisions.

Ken Norton x3
Doug Jones
Earnie Shavers
Jimmy Young

I think he lost 4 of the decisions i listed there, with one draw to Doug Jones.

I also heard his fight with Alfredo Evangelista was close aswell, although i've only seen bits and pieces of it.

[JazMerkin]

Actually Muhammad Ali had 6 gift decisions.

Ken Norton x3
Doug Jones
Earnie Shavers
Jimmy Young

I think he lost 4 of the decisions i listed there, with one draw to Doug Jones.

I also heard his fight with Alfredo Evangelista was close aswell, although i've only seen bits and pieces of it.

Ali most definitely did not get 3 gifts against Norton, seeing as Norton WON the first fight. Need to work on your maths Ice.

I do think Norton won 2 out of 3 (although I also thought he edged Larry Holmes), but I think Ali beat Jones, Shavers & Young. He's not a complete shoe-in for greatest HW of all time, although he does just edge Louis for me.

And I think Wlad hits harder than Foreman and was more athletic. Lamon Brewster was a high quality 'little' man and there was no reason for him to win their first fight. He had to go through a hell most fighters couldn't have.

No way does Wlad hit harder than Foreman. He hits hard, a lot harder than many give him credit for, but not harder than Foreman. Lamon Brewster was not a high quality 'little' man for me, but even if he was Joe Frazier was an ATG 'little' man. The last sentence is just stupid if you've ever seen Frazier's fights, particularly the Thrilla In Manilla, where he fought blind. Frazier defined heart, if Brewster could do it, Smokin' Joe would have done it as a doddle.

Wladimir is probably the most technically skilled fighter out there right now not named Mayweather.

No, he's not Lyle. He's very good, certainly much, much better than some of the haters on here give him credit for, but aside from Mayweather, there's Bernard Hopkins, Juan Manuel Marquez, Chad Dawson, Ivan Calderon, Hozumi Hasegawa & Tim Bradley, all of whom you could make strong arguments for being more technically skilled & there's at least a couple who are dead certs on that.

[Zilla]

people actually think Wlad beats Frazier & Tyson :Lol: Wlad has a better chance against Ali

He might just beat Joe Louis. I'll give you that. Wlad is big and athletic and would pose problems to the slow-footed Joe Louis.

I do think Wlad beats Frazier. Frazier would have tried to walk through whatever Wlad threw at him to hit him with the left hook. Wlad likes to tie up little men when they get on the inside, but before that he'd continuously pop Jjoe with his jab. Joe's left hook would be a non-factor because Wlad would wrap him up when he got close enough to use it and begin throwing that mean straight right after the first couple rounds. It would be a repeat of what Foreman did to him.

[rjj tszyu]

people actually think Wlad beats Frazier & Tyson :Lol: Wlad has a better chance against Ali

He might just beat Joe Louis. I'll give you that. Wlad is big and athletic and would pose problems to the slow-footed Joe Louis.

I do think Wlad beats Frazier. Frazier would have tried to walk through whatever Wlad threw at him to hit him with the left hook. Wlad likes to tie up little men when they get on the inside, but before that he'd continuously pop Jjoe with his jab. Joe's left hook would be a non-factor because Wlad would wrap him up when he got close enough to use it and begin throwing that mean straight right after the first couple rounds. It would be a repeat of what Foreman did to him.

You are forgetting Joe Frazier is a much better quality "little" man than anyone Wlad has fought and grabbing and holding someone of Fraziers quality would be much harder than you are making it out to be! Frazier fought in the Golden era of HW's and only lost to 2 men and 1 was the G.O.A.T. the other was the most devastating puncher in the history of the sport.

[Zilla]

people actually think Wlad beats Frazier & Tyson :Lol: Wlad has a better chance against Ali

He might just beat Joe Louis. I'll give you that. Wlad is big and athletic and would pose problems to the slow-footed Joe Louis.

I do think Wlad beats Frazier. Frazier would have tried to walk through whatever Wlad threw at him to hit him with the left hook. Wlad likes to tie up little men when they get on the inside, but before that he'd continuously pop Jjoe with his jab. Joe's left hook would be a non-factor because Wlad would wrap him up when he got close enough to use it and begin throwing that mean straight right after the first couple rounds. It would be a repeat of what Foreman did to him.

You are forgetting Joe Frazier is a much better quality "little" man than anyone Wlad has fought and grabbing and holding someone of Fraziers quality would be much harder than you are making it out to be! Frazier fought in the Golden era of HW's and only lost to 2 men and 1 was the G.O.A.T. the other was the most devastating puncher in the history of the sport.

And I think Wlad hits harder than Foreman and was more athletic. Lamon Brewster was a high quality 'little' man and there was no reason for him to win their first fight. He had to go through a hell most fighters couldn't have.

[rjj tszyu]

I do think Wlad beats Frazier. Frazier would have tried to walk through whatever Wlad threw at him to hit him with the left hook. Wlad likes to tie up little men when they get on the inside, but before that he'd continuously pop Jjoe with his jab. Joe's left hook would be a non-factor because Wlad would wrap him up when he got close enough to use it and begin throwing that mean straight right after the first couple rounds. It would be a repeat of what Foreman did to him.

You are forgetting Joe Frazier is a much better quality "little" man than anyone Wlad has fought and grabbing and holding someone of Fraziers quality would be much harder than you are making it out to be! Frazier fought in the Golden era of HW's and only lost to 2 men and 1 was the G.O.A.T. the other was the most devastating puncher in the history of the sport.

And I think Wlad hits harder than Foreman and was more athletic. Lamon Brewster was a high quality 'little' man and there was no reason for him to win their first fight. He had to go through a hell most fighters couldn't have.

You honestly think Wlad hits harder than Foreman?? Well i'll respect your opinion and thats where i'll leave that topic!

One thing though, if your trying to say Lamon Brewster is of the same quality as Joe Frazier then you are totally insane!

[ICB]

I do think Wlad beats Frazier. Frazier would have tried to walk through whatever Wlad threw at him to hit him with the left hook. Wlad likes to tie up little men when they get on the inside, but before that he'd continuously pop Jjoe with his jab. Joe's left hook would be a non-factor because Wlad would wrap him up when he got close enough to use it and begin throwing that mean straight right after the first couple rounds. It would be a repeat of what Foreman did to him.

You are forgetting Joe Frazier is a much better quality "little" man than anyone Wlad has fought and grabbing and holding someone of Fraziers quality would be much harder than you are making it out to be! Frazier fought in the Golden era of HW's and only lost to 2 men and 1 was the G.O.A.T. the other was the most devastating puncher in the history of the sport.

And I think Wlad hits harder than Foreman and was more athletic. Lamon Brewster was a high quality 'little' man and there was no reason for him to win their first fight. He had to go through a hell most fighters couldn't have.

George Foreman hits much harder than Wladimir Klitschko. And since when has Lamon Brewster been a high quality little man ?

I like Lamon Brewster and defended him in the last thread, but he was not elite. He got beat convincingly in his prime to Clifford Eitenne, Charles Shufford.

Yes he held a title and made a few defences, but even so i don't think anyone would ever label Lamon Brewster an elite fighter. Infact he's an overachiever that he actually managed to win a belt, and defend it a few times.

And that the fact he beat Wladimir Klitschko, speaks volumes IMO. And when the rematch happened Lamon Brewster was a shell of his former self.