Calzaghe/Hopkins

[Pugilistic]

Hopkins fought to the best of his ability, he even had to pull a few stunts out the bag like crawling round on the floor and screaming like a 2 year old girl

Joe fought messy but as the rounds went on he got better, a rematch would have confirmed Joes superiority

Maybe....maybe not.

We will never know though, Joe didn't want none of a rematch.

[Spicoli]

Crap fight all around.Love Hopkins but had him losing by one or two...Joe out hustled him but in no way is a better 'fighter-boxer' than Hopkins.He just had more desire and fire in his gut for it...Hopkins took shit for granted...again.

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Hopkins fought to the best of his ability, he even had to pull a few stunts out the bag like crawling round on the floor and screaming like a 2 year old girl

Joe fought messy but as the rounds went on he got better, a rematch would have confirmed Joes superiority

Maybe....maybe not.

We will never know though, Joe didn't want none of a rematch.

To be fair, if you were Calzaghe, you know Hopkins was struggling because of all the tricks he tried pulling and you know a rematch would be a one way street, Hopkins just cant handle speed and workrate, he had to run away from Taylor before he got beaten a Third time

Joe also realised no one would want to watch another boring Hopkins fight consisting of Beranard trying to slow the pace, play the ref and survive, he wanted a few names on his resume before he went, its a shame Frochs craap management didnt move him a bit more, he was offered the calzaghe match but ran, at least there wouldnt be any slight lingering doubts by people who just couldnt apreciate Calazghe, not that I think Froch is all that great but its another up and comer, i cant stand the twaat but fair play to him, just saw him in that dancing shite doing the old bugsy malone "bad guys", I love that song but like "so you wanna be a boxer" more, and Johnny Nelson can move

[Pugilistic]

Hopkins fought to the best of his ability, he even had to pull a few stunts out the bag like crawling round on the floor and screaming like a 2 year old girl

Joe fought messy but as the rounds went on he got better, a rematch would have confirmed Joes superiority

Maybe....maybe not.

We will never know though, Joe didn't want none of a rematch.

To be fair, if you were Calzaghe, you know Hopkins was struggling because of all the tricks he tried pulling and you know a rematch would be a one way street, Hopkins just cant handle speed and workrate, he had to run away from Taylor before he got beaten a Third time

Joe also realised no one would want to watch another boring Hopkins fight consisting of Beranard trying to slow the pace, play the ref and survive, he wanted a few names on his resume before he went, its a shame Frochs craap management didnt move him a bit more, he was offered the calzaghe match but ran, at least there wouldnt be any slight lingering doubts by people who just couldnt apreciate Calazghe, not that I think Froch is all that great but its another up and comer, i cant stand the twaat but fair play to him, just saw him in that dancing shite doing the old bugsy malone "bad guys", I love that song but like "so you wanna be a boxer" more, and Johnny Nelson can move

So whats a better win on your resume ? A second win over Bernard Hopkins or a past it Roy Jones ? seeing how your talking about resumes and all.

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At the end of the day, he beat Hopkins and Jones

I dont rate either of them, Hopkins ran a few years ago when offered the fight and Jones would never have lived with calzaghes speed and work rate or his power when he was younger

[Pugilistic]

At the end of the day, he beat Hopkins and Jones when they were past it

I dont rate either of them, Hopkins ran a few years ago when offered the fight and Jones would never have lived with calzaghes speed and work rate or his power when he was younger

I agree

Jokes aside, How can you blame either Hopkins or Jones for not fighting Calzaghe back then...... Calzaghe at the time was all risk and no reward.

Hopkins was smarter to fight him later on in his career where Joe was far more recognized around the boxing world and actually had some good wins on his resume.

Judging by the smiley after the rest of your post, you don't like Joe's chances against a Prime Jones and i agree.

To give Calzaghe some credit though, I think he causes Roy alot more trouble than most think because of his southpaw style (Roy struggled abit with them), speed and workrate.

[Althugz]

People always seem to disregard how dirty Calzaghe actually was in that fight.

He was throwing low blows and rabbit punches throughout the whole fight. He even admitted to hitting Hopkins low in the 2nd round because he got knocked down.

Calzaghe Says Low Blow Against Hopkins Deliberate!!! on Boxing Daily

Hopkins was dirty but Calzaghe was no better.

This fight had no clear winner, Calzaghe was sloppy and inaccurate and Hopkins was over cautious. You either had Hopkins winning because he landed the cleaner harder punches or you had Calzaghe winning because he threw more and controlled the tempo.

I can agree with majority favoring Calzaghe because he controlled the tempo of the right later on, but it wasn't a clear win.

Thanks Pugilistic, it took 14 posts from the start of this thread for me to actually read something that wasn't Joe Calslappy biase. (apart from LanceUppercuts post too)

I agree with you...A difficult to score fight. I prefered Hopkins in the fight, not that it was pretty..but compared to Calzaghes sloppy punches that didn't land much I gave Hopkins the nod after watching it.

Everyone at my boxing gym had Hopkins winning too.

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Calzaghe won this fight fair and square but it was by no means a landslide. Like Jones-Hopkins in '94, Jones clearly won but it wasn't a blowout.

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You can tell how much Beranrd was struggling and just trying to stay in the fight by all the bullshiit, cry baby, biitch girl shiit he did, rolling round on the floor, he didnt want a fight, he skirted, grabbed and side stepped his way to a loss

Even Jones couldnt push Hopkins that far and before you say "Hopkins was old" so was Joe, if it had happened 10 years before, the same thing would have happened, Hopkins wouldnt have had a clue, he thinks his crappy tactics will make people stutter and hesitate, he didnt bank on someone who can throw non stop punches for 12 rounds, a younger Calzaghe would have had the same workrate but more power.

[BIG H]

Calzaghe beat Hopkins imo and strangely I think Calzaghe was more past his best than Hopkins was (vis a vis Hopkins fight vs Pavlik) having said that I definitely favour prime Hopkins to beat prime Calzaghe and I would heavily favour prime Jones to beat prime Calzaghe

[Fenster]

The neutrals would remember Calzaghe's epic windmill combos over Hopkins clean hard punches.

You mean Hopkins one clean hard punch (well maybe 3)

The polls showed a landslide victory for Calzaghe. No neutrals thought Hopkins won that fight (well maybe two or three)

That's 1 - 3 more clean punches than Calzaghe landed.

Calzaghe landed 232 from 707 punches thrown.

Those 200+ punches weren't earth shattering, but were certainly effective enough to make Hopkins disgrace himself with a despicable act of cheating.

[Fenster]

People always seem to disregard how dirty Calzaghe actually was in that fight.

He was throwing low blows and rabbit punches throughout the whole fight. He even admitted to hitting Hopkins low in the 2nd round because he got knocked down.

Calzaghe Says Low Blow Against Hopkins Deliberate!!! on Boxing Daily

Hopkins was dirty but Calzaghe was no better.

This fight had no clear winner, Calzaghe was sloppy and inaccurate and Hopkins was over cautious. You either had Hopkins winning because he landed the cleaner harder punches or you had Calzaghe winning because he threw more and controlled the tempo.

I can agree with majority favoring Calzaghe because he controlled the tempo of the right later on, but it wasn't a clear win.

Thanks Pugilistic, it took 14 posts from the start of this thread for me to actually read something that wasn't Joe Calslappy biase. (apart from LanceUppercuts post too)

I agree with you...A difficult to score fight. I prefered Hopkins in the fight, not that it was pretty..but compared to Calzaghes sloppy punches that didn't land much I gave Hopkins the nod after watching it.

Everyone at my boxing gym had Hopkins winning too.

I hope the guys at your gym can fight better than they score?

[CFH]

You mean Hopkins one clean hard punch (well maybe 3)

The polls showed a landslide victory for Calzaghe. No neutrals thought Hopkins won that fight (well maybe two or three)

That's 1 - 3 more clean punches than Calzaghe landed.

Calzaghe landed 232 from 707 punches thrown.

Those 200+ punches weren't earth shattering, but were certainly effective enough to make Hopkins disgrace himself with a despicable act of cheating.

I trust my own eyes more than I will ever trust Compubox and Calzaghe didn't land anything of consequence all fight long.

I dislike Hopkins, I like Calzaghe and I was cheering for him, but I felt that he lost the fight by one point. I've watched it twice since it aired and both times I have come up with the same conclusion. It was so close that I don't really have a problem with Calzaghe getting the decision, but in my mind Hopkins won the fight. It was ugly, dirty, and boring, but he won.

[Fenster]

That's 1 - 3 more clean punches than Calzaghe landed.

Calzaghe landed 232 from 707 punches thrown.

Those 200+ punches weren't earth shattering, but were certainly effective enough to make Hopkins disgrace himself with a despicable act of cheating.

I trust my own eyes more than I will ever trust Compubox and Calzaghe didn't land anything of consequence all fight long.

I dislike Hopkins, I like Calzaghe and I was cheering for him, but I felt that he lost the fight by one point. I've watched it twice since it aired and both times I have come up with the same conclusion. It was so close that I don't really have a problem with Calzaghe getting the decision, but in my mind Hopkins won the fight. It was ugly, dirty, and boring, but he won.

Thankfully your opinion is shared with just a small minority.

I think most people thought it was a close-ish fight with Cazlaghe a clear winner - that's what the polls seem to indicate anyway.

[Spicoli]

Calzaghe landed 232 from 707 punches thrown.

Those 200+ punches weren't earth shattering, but were certainly effective enough to make Hopkins disgrace himself with a despicable act of cheating.

I trust my own eyes more than I will ever trust Compubox and Calzaghe didn't land anything of consequence all fight long.

I dislike Hopkins, I like Calzaghe and I was cheering for him, but I felt that he lost the fight by one point. I've watched it twice since it aired and both times I have come up with the same conclusion. It was so close that I don't really have a problem with Calzaghe getting the decision, but in my mind Hopkins won the fight. It was ugly, dirty, and boring, but he won.

Thankfully your opinion is shared with just a small minority.

I think most people thought it was a close-ish fight with Cazlaghe a clear winner - that's what the polls seem to indicate anyway.

Shite...I'm just glad they did not have that rematch.Sort of ironic how Calzaghe spoiled a talked about fight for both by beating the other,well for awhile.Jones win was a drubbing...Hopkins win was very close,but a win none the less.I do think Joe did his fair share of disrespecting the ring acting a fool and pseudo boffing Jones in the keister though.