Calzaghe/Hopkins

[CFH]

Calzaghe landed 232 from 707 punches thrown.

Those 200+ punches weren't earth shattering, but were certainly effective enough to make Hopkins disgrace himself with a despicable act of cheating.

I trust my own eyes more than I will ever trust Compubox and Calzaghe didn't land anything of consequence all fight long.

I dislike Hopkins, I like Calzaghe and I was cheering for him, but I felt that he lost the fight by one point. I've watched it twice since it aired and both times I have come up with the same conclusion. It was so close that I don't really have a problem with Calzaghe getting the decision, but in my mind Hopkins won the fight. It was ugly, dirty, and boring, but he won.

Thankfully your opinion is shared with just a small minority.

I think most people thought it was a close-ish fight with Cazlaghe a clear winner - that's what the polls seem to indicate anyway.

I tried to find the poll that was made after the fight, but it must have been lost when the board switched servers. I seem to remember it was about 2:1 in favor of Calzaghe winning.

[Galaxy]

I had it as a close fight. Calzaghe by a point... Hopkins is a dirty fighter, but he deserves credit for his craftyness!

[Althugz]

People always seem to disregard how dirty Calzaghe actually was in that fight.

He was throwing low blows and rabbit punches throughout the whole fight. He even admitted to hitting Hopkins low in the 2nd round because he got knocked down.

Calzaghe Says Low Blow Against Hopkins Deliberate!!! on Boxing Daily

Hopkins was dirty but Calzaghe was no better.

This fight had no clear winner, Calzaghe was sloppy and inaccurate and Hopkins was over cautious. You either had Hopkins winning because he landed the cleaner harder punches or you had Calzaghe winning because he threw more and controlled the tempo.

I can agree with majority favoring Calzaghe because he controlled the tempo of the right later on, but it wasn't a clear win.

Thanks Pugilistic, it took 14 posts from the start of this thread for me to actually read something that wasn't Joe Calslappy biase. (apart from LanceUppercuts post too)

I agree with you...A difficult to score fight. I prefered Hopkins in the fight, not that it was pretty..but compared to Calzaghes sloppy punches that didn't land much I gave Hopkins the nod after watching it.

Everyone at my boxing gym had Hopkins winning too.

I hope the guys at your gym can fight better than they score?

Funny that, the first thing we were taught was that scoring shots are with the front of the glove...not by slapping your opponent with the inside of the glove...

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Ooooh!

[Hornfinger]

Thanks Pugilistic, it took 14 posts from the start of this thread for me to actually read something that wasn't Joe Calslappy biase. (apart from LanceUppercuts post too)

I agree with you...A difficult to score fight. I prefered Hopkins in the fight, not that it was pretty..but compared to Calzaghes sloppy punches that didn't land much I gave Hopkins the nod after watching it.

Everyone at my boxing gym had Hopkins winning too.

I hope the guys at your gym can fight better than they score?

Funny that, the first thing we were taught was that scoring shots are with the front of the glove...not by slapping your opponent with the inside of the glove...

what about a head butt? is that a scoring shot? if not someone needs to tell old man B-Hop

[ICB]

slaIt was a rubbish fight and i don't like either boxer, the last time i watched it i had B-Hop winning by one point. Based on the knockdown and the cleaner more effective punches.

I have no idea where these supposedly 200+ landed punches, from Joe Calzaghe come from. Because i see mostly slapping shots hitting arms and gloves. And mostly grazing shots.

But then again B-Hop should of engaged more, and made more of his lead early on. So he has no one to blame but himself that he lost the decision, and its the same reason he lost both Jermain Taylor fights, because he simply didn't do enough work.

And its the same with the RJJ loss back in 93, he was far too cautious even with jabbing. And he didn't want to take any risks, at B-Hop's best like against Glen Johnson, Felix Trinidad, when he mixed aggression with great boxing skills, i believe he is better than Joe Calzaghe.

But either way i don't really care who deserved to win the fight, because i have no real time for either boxer. And it was an awful fight.

[Fenster]

I trust my own eyes more than I will ever trust Compubox and Calzaghe didn't land anything of consequence all fight long.

I dislike Hopkins, I like Calzaghe and I was cheering for him, but I felt that he lost the fight by one point. I've watched it twice since it aired and both times I have come up with the same conclusion. It was so close that I don't really have a problem with Calzaghe getting the decision, but in my mind Hopkins won the fight. It was ugly, dirty, and boring, but he won.

Thankfully your opinion is shared with just a small minority.

I think most people thought it was a close-ish fight with Cazlaghe a clear winner - that's what the polls seem to indicate anyway.

I tried to find the poll that was made after the fight, but it must have been lost when the board switched servers. I seem to remember it was about 2:1 in favor of Calzaghe winning.

Here's a poll (i'm certain there were much more voters than this in the original one).

Calzaghe - 37 votes 69.81%
Hopkins - 16 votes 30.19%

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...won-fight.html

The big sites (eastside, BS, and the boxing news sites) had hundreds of voters in their polls with similar percentages - Calzaghe 70% Hopkins 30%.

[BIG H]

I think it's a really easy fight to score:

B-Hop won the first 4 rounds, with a 10-8 in the first, JC won rounds 5 -12

115- 113 Calzaghe

Simples

[Lefty]

Calzaghe won the fight, it was horrible to watch but Calzaghe edged it. You cant win a fight by not going forward, Hopkins was too defensive for my liking. If Calzaghe wouldnt have forced the action there wouldnt have been a fight. He landed the more punches and set the pace of the fight.

[Taeth]

They both fought dirty that fight, and HOpkins should have won it by a point. I can't believe how many punches compubox "Amassed" for Joe because he was hardly landing anything cleanly. Hopkins won because he landed the cleaner harder shots, and I agree it was disgraceful what he did with the low blow, but after that he controlled the fight once again showing that Calzaghe only won any of the rounds because of Hopkins' age more than anything. Hopkins was clearly the better fighter.

[ninjaspy3]

Calzaghe won the fight, it was horrible to watch but Calzaghe edged it. You cant win a fight by not going forward, Hopkins was too defensive for my liking. If Calzaghe wouldnt have forced the action there wouldnt have been a fight. He landed the more punches and set the pace of the fight.

Can someone please confirm if this is a true statement?

"You cant win a fight by not going forward"

I wouldn't think that it's true but someone tell me if I'm wrong.

[Lefty]

Calzaghe won the fight, it was horrible to watch but Calzaghe edged it. You cant win a fight by not going forward, Hopkins was too defensive for my liking. If Calzaghe wouldnt have forced the action there wouldnt have been a fight. He landed the more punches and set the pace of the fight.

Can someone please confirm if this is a true statement?

"You cant win a fight by not going forward"

I wouldn't think that it's true but someone tell me if I'm wrong.

In my eyes you wont win a fight by not going forward and hanging back for 12 rounds, period. There aint a right or wrong answer, its your own opinion.

[BIG H]

Plenty of people have won fights without taking a forward step, but they actually threw punches whilst moving backwards, in this fight Hopkins didn't

[Lefty]

Plenty of people have won fights without taking a forward step, but they actually threw punches whilst moving backwards, in this fight Hopkins didn't

Cant argue with that. But if I was a judge I'ld be scoring rounds for fighters going forward, attempting to force the action thus scoring as well. I just dont know how a fighter as negative as Hopkins was here could win.

[JazMerkin]

I've watched & scored it 3 times & every time for Hopkins. 1st time it was 114-113 in his favour, 2nd 115-112 & the last was 114-113 again. But I was glad he lost because Hopkins was a complete prick before the fight. I have to say on the subject of who people thought won it, with almost everyone I talked to at my gym, I'd say about 80-90% of those said they thought Hopkins won it.

But ignoring that anyone who says 'Hopkins was robbed' or 'Calzaghe won it clearly' is living in lala-land. It was a close fight that could have gone either way... as the scorecards did.