James Toney signs multi fight deal with the UFC

[Mattyhitman]

It kills me when UFC fans state how theyre sport is superior because you can work the legs etc

The sport is essentially full of guys who failed to make it as a boxer hence the reason they do this sport.What the fuck do you think would happen to brock lesnar if he ever got in the ring with a klitschko or if couture fought calzaghe.

Every single UFC fighter of note at some point has dreamed of being a boxer because this is still the millionaire making sport. If you offered mayweather, mosley, pacquiao $70,000 dollars for a fight they`d laugh at you in the face. Ive no probs with dana white trying to compete and lets face it he does a far superior job of promoting UFC than anything boxing can possibly offer.

But this whole mixed martial arts is the superior sport thing has got to stop. Just ask couture, silva etc if theyve ever tried to become a boxer and whether they honestly believe they could go toe to toe with a second or 3rd rate fighter and not get banged out within 20seconds

Lol, your ignorance holds no boundries.

For the record, an MMA fighter is a far more dangerous proposition to face than a boxer. These guys arent boxers, they are martial artists, and now multi-dimentional. Of course they dont have the striking abilities of boxers, but they can punch, they can kick, they wrestle, they can grapple, they can submit. They can basically kick ass in every area possible.

Go and Youtube Cain Valesquez's recent KO of Nogueria at UFC 110 and tell me that 3 punch combination wasnt beautifully tight, crisp and short. And this is from a guy who excels in wrestling and smashing your face in once he gets you to the ground. It was very impressive indeed.

If you swapped the pay of both sports and mixed martial artists were earning millions of dollars dont you think the likes of floyd mayweather and bernard hopkins wouldnt just jump over to that?

And if they did they would no doubt own every single division and once agan the white frat boys who cant take getting beat f*ck out of would simply devise ANOTHER contact sport that they could get their shoe in.

Tell floyd mayweather that randy couture is a better allround athlete. floyd wouldnt give 2 shits he`d merely compare both mens bank balances and that would be the end of the story. UFC fighters arent idiots, they all know they could potentially make millions in the sport of boxing but the difference being our sport is full to the brim with world quality operators wanting those million dollar paydays while UFC is an expanding franchise full of young untapped talent that simply played the numbers game and realised theyd be better keeping to a safe little payday fighting guys with 21-4 rather than compete in a sport with hundreds of world class athletes.

Randy Couture fights guys with records of 18-4, in boxing that record wouldnt even get you on the card as a filler fight let alone a main eventer!!

Ridiculous my friend

UFC fighters start off with a base fighting style, wrestling, BJJ, Kickboxing, Sambo, Muay Thai etc, very few start off with a boxing background then make the transition to MMA. Simply because they didnt want to do boxing at the very start of their fighting careers. These guys want to be MMA artists because thats what they WANT to be, regardless of the money involved, they do it for the love of the sport.

[Hornfinger]

I do like to watch a bit of UFC but I sometimes think Dana is in an odd world.....

He signs a guy in kimbo who is a glorified youtube streetfighter, and now he is snapping up boxers who are on the brink of bxing retirement.

Would an aging UFC fighter on the brink of retirement go to boxing. I doubt it.

The UFC has grown a lot over the years and I'm interested to see where it will go from here. I don't think ageing boxers and bums that have filmed themselves punching other bums on youtube is the answer.

[TheMacMagician]

I do like to watch a bit of UFC but I sometimes think Dana is in an odd world.....

He signs a guy in kimbo who is a glorified youtube streetfighter, and now he is snapping up boxers who are on the brink of bxing retirement.

Would an aging UFC fighter on the brink of retirement go to boxing. I doubt it.

The UFC has grown a lot over the years and I'm interested to see where it will go from here. I don't think ageing boxers and bums that have filmed themselves punching other bums on youtube is the answer.

Plain and simple exposure I'd say is the goal of White. If an ageing boxer or youtube hit streetfighter brings more audience figures then it makes Dana White money. Imagine how many people are gonna tune in to see how James Toney fairs in UFC. I can't stand the "Two guys grappling on the floor" thing at all. But saying that, I will certainly tune in to find out how Toney gets on, and Mayorga too....... He trying to win boxing fans for sure, and he's gonna do it. Still won't be as good a sport as boxing but might open a few eyes with regards to the supposed quality and entertainment value of UFC if Toney gets slammed.....

[Hornfinger]

I do like to watch a bit of UFC but I sometimes think Dana is in an odd world.....

He signs a guy in kimbo who is a glorified youtube streetfighter, and now he is snapping up boxers who are on the brink of bxing retirement.

Would an aging UFC fighter on the brink of retirement go to boxing. I doubt it.

The UFC has grown a lot over the years and I'm interested to see where it will go from here. I don't think ageing boxers and bums that have filmed themselves punching other bums on youtube is the answer.

Plain and simple exposure I'd say is the goal of White. If an ageing boxer or youtube hit streetfighter brings more audience figures then it makes Dana White money. Imagine how many people are gonna tune in to see how James Toney fairs in UFC. I can't stand the "Two guys grappling on the floor" thing at all. But saying that, I will certainly tune in to find out how Toney gets on, and Mayorga too....... He trying to win boxing fans for sure, and he's gonna do it. Still won't be as good a sport as boxing but might open a few eyes with regards to the supposed quality and entertainment value of UFC if Toney gets slammed.....

Absolutely agree 100%, but what i'm saying is if white isn't careful he's going to wind up looking like part retirement home for colourful boxers and part freak show for anyone with a 'hard' reputation.

[HattonTheHammer]

Lol, your ignorance holds no boundries.

For the record, an MMA fighter is a far more dangerous proposition to face than a boxer. These guys arent boxers, they are martial artists, and now multi-dimentional. Of course they dont have the striking abilities of boxers, but they can punch, they can kick, they wrestle, they can grapple, they can submit. They can basically kick ass in every area possible.

Go and Youtube Cain Valesquez's recent KO of Nogueria at UFC 110 and tell me that 3 punch combination wasnt beautifully tight, crisp and short. And this is from a guy who excels in wrestling and smashing your face in once he gets you to the ground. It was very impressive indeed.

If you swapped the pay of both sports and mixed martial artists were earning millions of dollars dont you think the likes of floyd mayweather and bernard hopkins wouldnt just jump over to that?

And if they did they would no doubt own every single division and once agan the white frat boys who cant take getting beat f*ck out of would simply devise ANOTHER contact sport that they could get their shoe in.

Tell floyd mayweather that randy couture is a better allround athlete. floyd wouldnt give 2 shits he`d merely compare both mens bank balances and that would be the end of the story. UFC fighters arent idiots, they all know they could potentially make millions in the sport of boxing but the difference being our sport is full to the brim with world quality operators wanting those million dollar paydays while UFC is an expanding franchise full of young untapped talent that simply played the numbers game and realised theyd be better keeping to a safe little payday fighting guys with 21-4 rather than compete in a sport with hundreds of world class athletes.

Randy Couture fights guys with records of 18-4, in boxing that record wouldnt even get you on the card as a filler fight let alone a main eventer!!

Ridiculous my friend

UFC fighters start off with a base fighting style, wrestling, BJJ, Kickboxing, Sambo, Muay Thai etc, very few start off with a boxing background then make the transition to MMA. Simply because they didnt want to do boxing at the very start of their fighting careers. These guys want to be MMA artists because thats what they WANT to be, regardless of the money involved, they do it for the love of the sport.

you seriously hand on heart believe that

You honestly think that none of the current UFC world champions have considered going into boxing and making millions just because they love MMA??

bollocks mate, they dont make the transition because they know the level of talent is just far too dense in boxing.

I`ll reiterate my point again, would mayweather, pacquiao, mosley heck even the likes of froch, kessler, hatton entertain the idea of main eventing against someone who has a 20% defeat record??

[Jimmy G-Force]

If you swapped the pay of both sports and mixed martial artists were earning millions of dollars dont you think the likes of floyd mayweather and bernard hopkins wouldnt just jump over to that?

And if they did they would no doubt own every single division and once agan the white frat boys who cant take getting beat f*ck out of would simply devise ANOTHER contact sport that they could get their shoe in.

Tell floyd mayweather that randy couture is a better allround athlete. floyd wouldnt give 2 shits he`d merely compare both mens bank balances and that would be the end of the story. UFC fighters arent idiots, they all know they could potentially make millions in the sport of boxing but the difference being our sport is full to the brim with world quality operators wanting those million dollar paydays while UFC is an expanding franchise full of young untapped talent that simply played the numbers game and realised theyd be better keeping to a safe little payday fighting guys with 21-4 rather than compete in a sport with hundreds of world class athletes.

Randy Couture fights guys with records of 18-4, in boxing that record wouldnt even get you on the card as a filler fight let alone a main eventer!!

Ridiculous my friend

UFC fighters start off with a base fighting style, wrestling, BJJ, Kickboxing, Sambo, Muay Thai etc, very few start off with a boxing background then make the transition to MMA. Simply because they didnt want to do boxing at the very start of their fighting careers. These guys want to be MMA artists because thats what they WANT to be, regardless of the money involved, they do it for the love of the sport.

you seriously hand on heart believe that

You honestly think that none of the current UFC world champions have considered going into boxing and making millions just because they love MMA??

bollocks mate, they dont make the transition because they know the level of talent is just far too dense in boxing.

I`ll reiterate my point again, would mayweather, pacquiao, mosley heck even the likes of froch, kessler, hatton entertain the idea of main eventing against someone who has a 20% defeat record??

Give your head a shake.

These MMA fighters come from backgrounds that are anything but boxing, bar a couple. These guys are Jui Jitsu, Kickboxers, Wresters, Jukokans, Muay Thai fighters first and foremost. They have been doing their preferred martial art since they were kids. When MMA or more so the UFC came along it was originally devised by the Gracie family to prove that Brazilian JiuJitsu was the best and most effective fighting disicipline. That was proven by Royce Gracie years ago.

These MMA fighters have never been wannabe boxers, they are fighters in their own discipline that have evolved to be all-round technicians. The most successful MMA fighters to date have always generally had a very strong wrestling background. The percentage of wannabe boxers turned MMA fighters is probably less than 1%.

As for Randy Couture having a 20% loss record, it's because 85% of his fights have been for a world title. And MMA doesnt have the bullshit politics that boxing has. Therefore there is no hiding. There is no such thing as a padded record in MMA. The best fight the best, even if that means at open weight classes on occasions.

[Mattyhitman]

If you swapped the pay of both sports and mixed martial artists were earning millions of dollars dont you think the likes of floyd mayweather and bernard hopkins wouldnt just jump over to that?

And if they did they would no doubt own every single division and once agan the white frat boys who cant take getting beat f*ck out of would simply devise ANOTHER contact sport that they could get their shoe in.

Tell floyd mayweather that randy couture is a better allround athlete. floyd wouldnt give 2 shits he`d merely compare both mens bank balances and that would be the end of the story. UFC fighters arent idiots, they all know they could potentially make millions in the sport of boxing but the difference being our sport is full to the brim with world quality operators wanting those million dollar paydays while UFC is an expanding franchise full of young untapped talent that simply played the numbers game and realised theyd be better keeping to a safe little payday fighting guys with 21-4 rather than compete in a sport with hundreds of world class athletes.

Randy Couture fights guys with records of 18-4, in boxing that record wouldnt even get you on the card as a filler fight let alone a main eventer!!

Ridiculous my friend

UFC fighters start off with a base fighting style, wrestling, BJJ, Kickboxing, Sambo, Muay Thai etc, very few start off with a boxing background then make the transition to MMA. Simply because they didnt want to do boxing at the very start of their fighting careers. These guys want to be MMA artists because thats what they WANT to be, regardless of the money involved, they do it for the love of the sport.

you seriously hand on heart believe that

You honestly think that none of the current UFC world champions have considered going into boxing and making millions just because they love MMA??

bollocks mate, they dont make the transition because they know the level of talent is just far too dense in boxing.

I`ll reiterate my point again, would mayweather, pacquiao, mosley heck even the likes of froch, kessler, hatton entertain the idea of main eventing against someone who has a 20% defeat record??

LMAO, you make me laugh with your ignorance

With the argument ya trying to make, lets say this then, why doesnt Usain Bolt become a footballer, he could earn way more money as a pro footballer, reason he doesnt is because his heart is in Athletics. Same with MMA, they hearts are in MMA not boxing.

[HattonTheHammer]

Ridiculous my friend

UFC fighters start off with a base fighting style, wrestling, BJJ, Kickboxing, Sambo, Muay Thai etc, very few start off with a boxing background then make the transition to MMA. Simply because they didnt want to do boxing at the very start of their fighting careers. These guys want to be MMA artists because thats what they WANT to be, regardless of the money involved, they do it for the love of the sport.

you seriously hand on heart believe that

You honestly think that none of the current UFC world champions have considered going into boxing and making millions just because they love MMA??

bollocks mate, they dont make the transition because they know the level of talent is just far too dense in boxing.

I`ll reiterate my point again, would mayweather, pacquiao, mosley heck even the likes of froch, kessler, hatton entertain the idea of main eventing against someone who has a 20% defeat record??

LMAO, you make me laugh with your ignorance

With the argument ya trying to make, lets say this then, why doesnt Usain Bolt become a footballer, he could earn way more money as a pro footballer, reason he doesnt is because his heart is in Athletics. Same with MMA, they hearts are in MMA not boxing.

usain bolt is a millionaire times and times over thats why

You think if he was only worth a few bob and man utd came in with a 150k a week contract he`d still run just for the love of it

[Mattyhitman]

you seriously hand on heart believe that

You honestly think that none of the current UFC world champions have considered going into boxing and making millions just because they love MMA??

bollocks mate, they dont make the transition because they know the level of talent is just far too dense in boxing.

I`ll reiterate my point again, would mayweather, pacquiao, mosley heck even the likes of froch, kessler, hatton entertain the idea of main eventing against someone who has a 20% defeat record??

LMAO, you make me laugh with your ignorance

With the argument ya trying to make, lets say this then, why doesnt Usain Bolt become a footballer, he could earn way more money as a pro footballer, reason he doesnt is because his heart is in Athletics. Same with MMA, they hearts are in MMA not boxing.

usain bolt is a millionaire times and times over thats why

You think if he was only worth a few bob and man utd came in with a 150k a week contract he`d still run just for the love of it

I give up with you, of course he would cos thats what he loves, it's NOT about the money with these guys !

[HattonTheHammer]

LMAO, you make me laugh with your ignorance

With the argument ya trying to make, lets say this then, why doesnt Usain Bolt become a footballer, he could earn way more money as a pro footballer, reason he doesnt is because his heart is in Athletics. Same with MMA, they hearts are in MMA not boxing.

usain bolt is a millionaire times and times over thats why

You think if he was only worth a few bob and man utd came in with a 150k a week contract he`d still run just for the love of it

I give up with you, of course he would cos thats what he loves, it's NOT about the money with these guys !

OMG you officially win stupid post of the day award

I love sitting at home, watching porn and playing poker, doesnt pay well at all mind so i have to go to work to earn a living

theoretically your suggest a broke Usain Bolt would turn down a multi million pound a year contract just to do what he enjoys doing. That sir is pure idiotic especially in this day and age

[Jimmy G-Force]

usain bolt is a millionaire times and times over thats why

You think if he was only worth a few bob and man utd came in with a 150k a week contract he`d still run just for the love of it

I give up with you, of course he would cos thats what he loves, it's NOT about the money with these guys !

OMG you officially win stupid post of the day award

I love sitting at home, watching porn and playing poker, doesnt pay well at all mind so i have to go to work to earn a living

theoretically your suggest a broke Usain Bolt would turn down a multi million pound a year contract just to do what he enjoys doing. That sir is pure idiotic especially in this day and age

I neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed to be getting myself some of the shit your on dude

Thats some seriously fucked up shit right there.

[Kev]

Ridiculous my friend

UFC fighters start off with a base fighting style, wrestling, BJJ, Kickboxing, Sambo, Muay Thai etc, very few start off with a boxing background then make the transition to MMA. Simply because they didnt want to do boxing at the very start of their fighting careers. These guys want to be MMA artists because thats what they WANT to be, regardless of the money involved, they do it for the love of the sport.

you seriously hand on heart believe that

You honestly think that none of the current UFC world champions have considered going into boxing and making millions just because they love MMA??

bollocks mate, they dont make the transition because they know the level of talent is just far too dense in boxing.

I`ll reiterate my point again, would mayweather, pacquiao, mosley heck even the likes of froch, kessler, hatton entertain the idea of main eventing against someone who has a 20% defeat record??

LMAO, you make me laugh with your ignorance

With the argument ya trying to make, lets say this then, why doesnt Usain Bolt become a footballer, he could earn way more money as a pro footballer, reason he doesnt is because his heart is in Athletics. Same with MMA, they hearts are in MMA not boxing.

Got credit Hammer for his black and white approach to things.

I agree with you though entirely. It's self evidently absurd to suggest that anybody who is interested in combat sports would automatically most want to be a boxer and only pursue others through lack of talent.

Everbody in life finds their own hobbies and interests specific to them. Nobody takes up a sport or activity initially with a view of what will make the most millions at elite level, people just do what they love.

I guess Floyd would really rather be playing golf seeing as Tiger Woods is the richest athlete ever, but even more than that he probably wishes he was a software engineer who broke into the field in the late 70's and early 80's.

[DaxxKahn]

Lol, your ignorance holds no boundries.

For the record, an MMA fighter is a far more dangerous proposition to face than a boxer. These guys arent boxers, they are martial artists, and now multi-dimentional. Of course they dont have the striking abilities of boxers, but they can punch, they can kick, they wrestle, they can grapple, they can submit. They can basically kick ass in every area possible.

Go and Youtube Cain Valesquez's recent KO of Nogueria at UFC 110 and tell me that 3 punch combination wasnt beautifully tight, crisp and short. And this is from a guy who excels in wrestling and smashing your face in once he gets you to the ground. It was very impressive indeed.

If you swapped the pay of both sports and mixed martial artists were earning millions of dollars dont you think the likes of floyd mayweather and bernard hopkins wouldnt just jump over to that?

And if they did they would no doubt own every single division and once agan the white frat boys who cant take getting beat f*ck out of would simply devise ANOTHER contact sport that they could get their shoe in.

Tell floyd mayweather that randy couture is a better allround athlete. floyd wouldnt give 2 shits he`d merely compare both mens bank balances and that would be the end of the story. UFC fighters arent idiots, they all know they could potentially make millions in the sport of boxing but the difference being our sport is full to the brim with world quality operators wanting those million dollar paydays while UFC is an expanding franchise full of young untapped talent that simply played the numbers game and realised theyd be better keeping to a safe little payday fighting guys with 21-4 rather than compete in a sport with hundreds of world class athletes.

Randy Couture fights guys with records of 18-4, in boxing that record wouldnt even get you on the card as a filler fight let alone a main eventer!!

Ridiculous my friend

UFC fighters start off with a base fighting style, wrestling, BJJ, Kickboxing, Sambo, Muay Thai etc, very few start off with a boxing background then make the transition to MMA. Simply because they didnt want to do boxing at the very start of their fighting careers. These guys want to be MMA artists because thats what they WANT to be, regardless of the money involved, they do it for the love of the sport.

That is a yes and no reply mate.....Yes they do it for the love of the sport just like Boxers box for the love of the sport....MMA fighters start off young learning as you said wrestling, BJJ, Muai Thai etc....Usually as a hobby when a kid or teen...Same for most boxers they take it up as a kid...fighting amateurs....Then eventually if successful or any good as a amateur they try their hands at the pros...

They seek out their choices for love of the sport be it boxing or MMA but NEVER and I mean NEVER think that any of these guys go into the big time or seek the big time just for love of the sport...They want the money, the fame etc....they just seek it in a sport they love.............

Many MMA fighters have to hold full time jobs to make ends meet and once the realization of not making it to the championship level (That does not mean one shot at a title) or elite level they give up competing except on an occasional basis because it is too hare to hold a job and train correctly...

Many of the fighters go for broke..EG Forrest Griffin gave up a career as a cop to try his hand at mma full time...Through self admission knowing he was risking it all because his chances were slim at making enough money to live off of in MMA..............

NO fighter fights o0n a full time basis on just love of the game

MMA fighters make most of their living off of sponsors even the highest ones....There are no 5 million dollar fights in MMA