Does Manny have the best resume at welter now?

[Kev]

I dont think so.Resumes are long term and talking just in the 'now' sort of tilts the favorites from the outset.Mosley has faced far better competition albeit with 2 losses to a top form Forrest.Hitting his initial stride at Welter,Mosley was just as impressive as Manny who himself deserves full credit for Cotto destruction even after Margarito.Blah hands never know blah.Arguably after Clottey himself let a victory slip away vs Cotto by showing the same limpness then as he did last night.If Oscar is listed as accomplishment in shell form on Mannys resume then certainly he counts x 2 when a win over him actually,well,meant something?

I'm not so sure Oscar was quite the shell he has been made to be to honest. Manny has doiminated everybody as one sidedly in the last couple years and to be honest I think Oscar at 147 at any time in his career would have had huge problems with Manny who is just a force.

I don't count Shane's wins over Oscar because they happened several years ago and arent' relavent to the division right now.

If you follow that logic then Ricky Hatton must still be at number 1 at light welter and Juan Diaz is still top dog at lightweight.

I know Mosely is still very much at the top of the welterweight scene unlike the guys above in their respective divisions but his loss to Cotto was many years more recent, and significant in terms of the current rankings than his wins over Oscar imo.

I see the Ring agree with me at least, having Manny at number 1 with the title of champion vacant.

Certainly no other fighter at 147 has such great names on their record at 147 in the last couple years as De La Hoya, Cotto and Clottey, and to think he didn't just win them all he dominated and destroyed them all. I think he lost maybe 2 rounds in those three fights combined, in fact 2 rounds in total since his last fight with Marquez!

I guess what I'm saying is that Manny can no longer be regarded as a little man in a big division, he is now top dog and can dominate potentially this entire weight class. That is an incredible feat.

Mosely looked great against Margarito and Collazo, but he would need to improve to beat Manny, certainly the Mosely that lost to Cotto and looked pretty crude at times against Mayorga wouldn't have anything more than a punchers chance of beating him.

Floyd still looks untouchable, but he hasn't had a real challenge since about 2005 and I'm not sure he will be prepared to fight in the trenches like Manny.

For the first time I'm actually thinking Manny can whup the whole darn lot of them.

Imagine if he beat Berto, Mosely and Mayweather before bowing out. In fact he's so good, people would almost expect it.

[Kev]

Oh maybe I worded the title wrongly. I don't mean resume in a 'when you look back on their careers' sense, rather I mean who has the best record right now in the current welterweight situation.

Manny has a very strong argument to be number one based on opposition faced.

In fact I can't think of a single fighter ever who has jumped so many divisions and then fought such tough competition in the weight class he jumped to back to back.

There's no Collazo, Gomez, Baldomir or Estrada on his record at 147, he's gone straight for the top dogs and is cleaning out the division.

[CFH]

He has faced the best opposition of any other welterweight since his fight with ODH.

[blegit]

Oh maybe I worded the title wrongly. I don't mean resume in a 'when you look back on their careers' sense, rather I mean who has the best record right now in the current welterweight situation.

Manny has a very strong argument to be number one based on opposition faced.

In fact I can't think of a single fighter ever who has jumped so many divisions and then fought such tough competition in the weight class he jumped to back to back.

There's no Collazo, Gomez, Baldomir or Estrada on his record at 147, he's gone straight for the top dogs and is cleaning out the division.

De la Hoya was no top dog. Wasn't ranked at all. He wasn't even a welterweight. Hadn't fought there in almost 8 years when he fought Pac. How far back are you going with this resume thing so we can get a clear understanding? Collazo isn't formidable but Clottey is, relevant De la Hoya doesn't count for Mosley but 154 irrelevant De la Hoya does count for Pac at welterweight, Margarito doesn't count for Mosley because he was cheater but Cotto wasn't ruined by said cheater, disregard the Cotto catchweight tactic, etc. It seems like you are restricting it so that Pac "has" to be the choice without a doubt. I guess considering all these conditions then there is no argument. Its unanimous, in only 2 fights Pac has the best resume at welterweight without question. I already thought Pac was the legitimate #1 p4p fighter. Now that is the real question and I think Pac has answered enough to warrant the masses to agree in majority that Pac is truly the #1 fighter in boxing right now. Whats even better is that I think welterweight has the top 3 p4p fighters. Another good question forms

[Fenster]

Without doubt on current form. All the formlines point to Pac being the man.

Pac whacks Cotto and Clottey on the bridle. Mosley lost against Cotto. Clottey gives Cotto a 50/50 job.

Floyd's not even in the race on any 147 form.

[Majesty]

Without doubt on current form. All the formlines point to Pac being the man.

Pac whacks Cotto and Clottey on the bridle. Mosley lost against Cotto. Clottey gives Cotto a 50/50 job.

Floyd's not even in the race on any 147 form.

Will that opinion be the same once Floyd beats Mosley?

Everyone calls Mosley the best at 147 right now so if Floyd beats Mosley does that trump what Pacquiao has done?

He beat Cotto but you could make an argument that Cotto was done after the Margarito fight and showed great weakness against Clottey. Actually the only welterweights he beat that were relevant at the time are Clottey and Cotto.

So I don't know how his welterweight resume is better then Shane's. You can say that Shane lost to Cotto. But then I can say Cotto lost to Margarito and Shane decimated Margarito. So it goes both ways.

However if you look at it. Shane took on Margarito when he was the most feared at 147 after what he did to Cintron and to Cotto. before the whole handwraps controversy, and Shane fought him and beat him.

Pacquiao fought a dead DLH, a Cotto that a lot of people felt was done especially after the Clottey performance, and he fought a Clottey in an uninteresting fight.

To me Shane has the better resume and is the top of 147, because of the relevance of the people he fought when he fought them. And I do think if Mayweather beats Shane that he has a better resume then Pacquiao at welterweight. Considering Pacquiao has only fought two relevant welters, Cotto and Clottey, I don't know how people could say he has a better resume then Shane.

[Kev]

Without doubt on current form. All the formlines point to Pac being the man.

Pac whacks Cotto and Clottey on the bridle. Mosley lost against Cotto. Clottey gives Cotto a 50/50 job.

Floyd's not even in the race on any 147 form.

Will that opinion be the same once Floyd beats Mosley?

Everyone calls Mosley the best at 147 right now so if Floyd beats Mosley does that trump what Pacquiao has done?

He beat Cotto but you could make an argument that Cotto was done after the Margarito fight and showed great weakness against Clottey. Actually the only welterweights he beat that were relevant at the time are Clottey and Cotto.

So I don't know how his welterweight resume is better then Shane's. You can say that Shane lost to Cotto. But then I can say Cotto lost to Margarito and Shane decimated Margarito. So it goes both ways.

However if you look at it. Shane took on Margarito when he was the most feared at 147 after what he did to Cintron and to Cotto. before the whole handwraps controversy, and Shane fought him and beat him.

Pacquiao fought a dead DLH, a Cotto that a lot of people felt was done especially after the Clottey performance, and he fought a Clottey in an uninteresting fight.

To me Shane has the better resume and is the top of 147, because of the relevance of the people he fought when he fought them. And I do think if Mayweather beats Shane that he has a better resume then Pacquiao at welterweight. Considering Pacquiao has only fought two relevant welters, Cotto and Clottey, I don't know how people could say he has a better resume then Shane.

Well Shane fought Margarito minus the handwraps. And he he lost to Cotto, and he hasn't fought anyone else of significance at welter for several years.

Luis Collazo? B- maybe.

So he's got a 66% win percentage against Cotto, Margarito and Collazo.

Manny is 100% against Oscar, Cotto and Clottey and arguably didn't even lose a round against any of them.

He's dominated guys that have given all kinds of trouble to other opponents and to be honest the only evidence people have that his opponents were past their best or done is the total beatdowns he put on them.

Many people on here were saying Shane was done after his fight with Mayorga, which was only two fights ago, before that he lost to Cotto.

He beat Margarito, but he had had his handwraps taken away before the fight. One really great performance versus' Manny's three.

[Majesty]

Without doubt on current form. All the formlines point to Pac being the man.

Pac whacks Cotto and Clottey on the bridle. Mosley lost against Cotto. Clottey gives Cotto a 50/50 job.

Floyd's not even in the race on any 147 form.

Will that opinion be the same once Floyd beats Mosley?

Everyone calls Mosley the best at 147 right now so if Floyd beats Mosley does that trump what Pacquiao has done?

He beat Cotto but you could make an argument that Cotto was done after the Margarito fight and showed great weakness against Clottey. Actually the only welterweights he beat that were relevant at the time are Clottey and Cotto.

So I don't know how his welterweight resume is better then Shane's. You can say that Shane lost to Cotto. But then I can say Cotto lost to Margarito and Shane decimated Margarito. So it goes both ways.

However if you look at it. Shane took on Margarito when he was the most feared at 147 after what he did to Cintron and to Cotto. before the whole handwraps controversy, and Shane fought him and beat him.

Pacquiao fought a dead DLH, a Cotto that a lot of people felt was done especially after the Clottey performance, and he fought a Clottey in an uninteresting fight.

To me Shane has the better resume and is the top of 147, because of the relevance of the people he fought when he fought them. And I do think if Mayweather beats Shane that he has a better resume then Pacquiao at welterweight. Considering Pacquiao has only fought two relevant welters, Cotto and Clottey, I don't know how people could say he has a better resume then Shane.

Well Shane fought Margarito minus the handwraps. And he he lost to Cotto, and he hasn't fought anyone else of significance at welter for several years.

Luis Collazo? B- maybe.

So he's got a 66% win percentage against Cotto, Margarito and Collazo.

Manny is 100% against Oscar, Cotto and Clottey and arguably didn't even lose a round against any of them.

He's dominated guys that have given all kinds of trouble to other opponents and to be honest the only evidence people have that his opponents were past their best or done is the total beatdowns he put on them.

Many people on here were saying Shane was done after his fight with Mayorga, which was only two fights ago, before that he lost to Cotto.

He beat Margarito, but he had had his handwraps taken away before the fight. One really great performance versus' Manny's three.

Of course, I don't think he'll beat Floyd considering his performance against Mayorga, but we're talking about "resumes" not performances.

And the Oscar that Pacquiao beat was a shell of the Oscar that Shane had already beaten. Whether or not it was years apart in his welterweight resume, Shane has done more then Pacquiao.

I'd put Collazo at about the same place Clottey is at.

So lets say Collazo and Clottey are the same.

Pacquiao beat Oscar, dead and done
Shane beat Oscar in his prime.
Pacquiao beat Clottey
Shane beat Collazo
Pacquiao beat Cotto
Shane beat Margarito, who made Cotto damaged goods.
I think Shane has the better resume and better wins at Welterweight. But to each its own, its all a matter of perspective and opinion, we both make good points either way.