Does Manny have the best resume at welter now?

[Kev]

Oh maybe I worded the title wrongly. I don't mean resume in a 'when you look back on their careers' sense, rather I mean who has the best record right now in the current welterweight situation.

Manny has a very strong argument to be number one based on opposition faced.

In fact I can't think of a single fighter ever who has jumped so many divisions and then fought such tough competition in the weight class he jumped to back to back.

There's no Collazo, Gomez, Baldomir or Estrada on his record at 147, he's gone straight for the top dogs and is cleaning out the division.

[CFH]

He has faced the best opposition of any other welterweight since his fight with ODH.

[blegit]

Oh maybe I worded the title wrongly. I don't mean resume in a 'when you look back on their careers' sense, rather I mean who has the best record right now in the current welterweight situation.

Manny has a very strong argument to be number one based on opposition faced.

In fact I can't think of a single fighter ever who has jumped so many divisions and then fought such tough competition in the weight class he jumped to back to back.

There's no Collazo, Gomez, Baldomir or Estrada on his record at 147, he's gone straight for the top dogs and is cleaning out the division.

De la Hoya was no top dog. Wasn't ranked at all. He wasn't even a welterweight. Hadn't fought there in almost 8 years when he fought Pac. How far back are you going with this resume thing so we can get a clear understanding? Collazo isn't formidable but Clottey is, relevant De la Hoya doesn't count for Mosley but 154 irrelevant De la Hoya does count for Pac at welterweight, Margarito doesn't count for Mosley because he was cheater but Cotto wasn't ruined by said cheater, disregard the Cotto catchweight tactic, etc. It seems like you are restricting it so that Pac "has" to be the choice without a doubt. I guess considering all these conditions then there is no argument. Its unanimous, in only 2 fights Pac has the best resume at welterweight without question. I already thought Pac was the legitimate #1 p4p fighter. Now that is the real question and I think Pac has answered enough to warrant the masses to agree in majority that Pac is truly the #1 fighter in boxing right now. Whats even better is that I think welterweight has the top 3 p4p fighters. Another good question forms

[Fenster]

Without doubt on current form. All the formlines point to Pac being the man.

Pac whacks Cotto and Clottey on the bridle. Mosley lost against Cotto. Clottey gives Cotto a 50/50 job.

Floyd's not even in the race on any 147 form.

[Majesty]

Without doubt on current form. All the formlines point to Pac being the man.

Pac whacks Cotto and Clottey on the bridle. Mosley lost against Cotto. Clottey gives Cotto a 50/50 job.

Floyd's not even in the race on any 147 form.

Will that opinion be the same once Floyd beats Mosley?

Everyone calls Mosley the best at 147 right now so if Floyd beats Mosley does that trump what Pacquiao has done?

He beat Cotto but you could make an argument that Cotto was done after the Margarito fight and showed great weakness against Clottey. Actually the only welterweights he beat that were relevant at the time are Clottey and Cotto.

So I don't know how his welterweight resume is better then Shane's. You can say that Shane lost to Cotto. But then I can say Cotto lost to Margarito and Shane decimated Margarito. So it goes both ways.

However if you look at it. Shane took on Margarito when he was the most feared at 147 after what he did to Cintron and to Cotto. before the whole handwraps controversy, and Shane fought him and beat him.

Pacquiao fought a dead DLH, a Cotto that a lot of people felt was done especially after the Clottey performance, and he fought a Clottey in an uninteresting fight.

To me Shane has the better resume and is the top of 147, because of the relevance of the people he fought when he fought them. And I do think if Mayweather beats Shane that he has a better resume then Pacquiao at welterweight. Considering Pacquiao has only fought two relevant welters, Cotto and Clottey, I don't know how people could say he has a better resume then Shane.

[Kev]

Without doubt on current form. All the formlines point to Pac being the man.

Pac whacks Cotto and Clottey on the bridle. Mosley lost against Cotto. Clottey gives Cotto a 50/50 job.

Floyd's not even in the race on any 147 form.

Will that opinion be the same once Floyd beats Mosley?

Everyone calls Mosley the best at 147 right now so if Floyd beats Mosley does that trump what Pacquiao has done?

He beat Cotto but you could make an argument that Cotto was done after the Margarito fight and showed great weakness against Clottey. Actually the only welterweights he beat that were relevant at the time are Clottey and Cotto.

So I don't know how his welterweight resume is better then Shane's. You can say that Shane lost to Cotto. But then I can say Cotto lost to Margarito and Shane decimated Margarito. So it goes both ways.

However if you look at it. Shane took on Margarito when he was the most feared at 147 after what he did to Cintron and to Cotto. before the whole handwraps controversy, and Shane fought him and beat him.

Pacquiao fought a dead DLH, a Cotto that a lot of people felt was done especially after the Clottey performance, and he fought a Clottey in an uninteresting fight.

To me Shane has the better resume and is the top of 147, because of the relevance of the people he fought when he fought them. And I do think if Mayweather beats Shane that he has a better resume then Pacquiao at welterweight. Considering Pacquiao has only fought two relevant welters, Cotto and Clottey, I don't know how people could say he has a better resume then Shane.

Well Shane fought Margarito minus the handwraps. And he he lost to Cotto, and he hasn't fought anyone else of significance at welter for several years.

Luis Collazo? B- maybe.

So he's got a 66% win percentage against Cotto, Margarito and Collazo.

Manny is 100% against Oscar, Cotto and Clottey and arguably didn't even lose a round against any of them.

He's dominated guys that have given all kinds of trouble to other opponents and to be honest the only evidence people have that his opponents were past their best or done is the total beatdowns he put on them.

Many people on here were saying Shane was done after his fight with Mayorga, which was only two fights ago, before that he lost to Cotto.

He beat Margarito, but he had had his handwraps taken away before the fight. One really great performance versus' Manny's three.

[Majesty]

Without doubt on current form. All the formlines point to Pac being the man.

Pac whacks Cotto and Clottey on the bridle. Mosley lost against Cotto. Clottey gives Cotto a 50/50 job.

Floyd's not even in the race on any 147 form.

Will that opinion be the same once Floyd beats Mosley?

Everyone calls Mosley the best at 147 right now so if Floyd beats Mosley does that trump what Pacquiao has done?

He beat Cotto but you could make an argument that Cotto was done after the Margarito fight and showed great weakness against Clottey. Actually the only welterweights he beat that were relevant at the time are Clottey and Cotto.

So I don't know how his welterweight resume is better then Shane's. You can say that Shane lost to Cotto. But then I can say Cotto lost to Margarito and Shane decimated Margarito. So it goes both ways.

However if you look at it. Shane took on Margarito when he was the most feared at 147 after what he did to Cintron and to Cotto. before the whole handwraps controversy, and Shane fought him and beat him.

Pacquiao fought a dead DLH, a Cotto that a lot of people felt was done especially after the Clottey performance, and he fought a Clottey in an uninteresting fight.

To me Shane has the better resume and is the top of 147, because of the relevance of the people he fought when he fought them. And I do think if Mayweather beats Shane that he has a better resume then Pacquiao at welterweight. Considering Pacquiao has only fought two relevant welters, Cotto and Clottey, I don't know how people could say he has a better resume then Shane.

Well Shane fought Margarito minus the handwraps. And he he lost to Cotto, and he hasn't fought anyone else of significance at welter for several years.

Luis Collazo? B- maybe.

So he's got a 66% win percentage against Cotto, Margarito and Collazo.

Manny is 100% against Oscar, Cotto and Clottey and arguably didn't even lose a round against any of them.

He's dominated guys that have given all kinds of trouble to other opponents and to be honest the only evidence people have that his opponents were past their best or done is the total beatdowns he put on them.

Many people on here were saying Shane was done after his fight with Mayorga, which was only two fights ago, before that he lost to Cotto.

He beat Margarito, but he had had his handwraps taken away before the fight. One really great performance versus' Manny's three.

Of course, I don't think he'll beat Floyd considering his performance against Mayorga, but we're talking about "resumes" not performances.

And the Oscar that Pacquiao beat was a shell of the Oscar that Shane had already beaten. Whether or not it was years apart in his welterweight resume, Shane has done more then Pacquiao.

I'd put Collazo at about the same place Clottey is at.

So lets say Collazo and Clottey are the same.

Pacquiao beat Oscar, dead and done
Shane beat Oscar in his prime.
Pacquiao beat Clottey
Shane beat Collazo
Pacquiao beat Cotto
Shane beat Margarito, who made Cotto damaged goods.
I think Shane has the better resume and better wins at Welterweight. But to each its own, its all a matter of perspective and opinion, we both make good points either way.

[Fenster]

Mosley has beaten an elite Oscar at 147, but that was 10 years ago.

Apart from that his next best win is Margarito. Collazo rates just above Stone, Diaz, and Taylor.

Even if Floyd beats Mosley he is only doing something Cotto did recently. And Pac whooped Cotto.

Pac is quite simply the man on all current formlines. The winner of Floyd-Shane needs to beat him.