Mayweather vs Pacquiao Resumes

[JazMerkin]

This thread has been done before. There's also no need to do it till Mayweather fights Mosley. If he beats him then maybe it's worth doing. But right now all it does is recycle a dead topic. Some people like Pacquiao. Others like Mayweather. You can frame their resumes either way to favour one or the other.

Fuck this shit till it's clear that they are actually gonna fight, if that ever happens.

[Youngblood]

you forgot this option....

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[toe2toe]

nice write up and the effort put in.

[DaxxKahn]

No offense but you spend a lot of that write up (Good job BTW) just trying to find ways to make Floyd look better....

EG- Pacquiaos career in 2010 started out with a bang but turned fizzle....Manny has not lost or been tested in a while so there has been nothing to fizzle out....U take personal opp and mix it in...Stick w nothing but facts when you do write ups like this

You leave out much of the state in the careers in which some opponents were in when defeated by either....You spend more time trying t5o make excuses for ANY Mayweather short comings...EG- Marquez

[Majesty]

No offense but you spend a lot of that write up (Good job BTW) just trying to find ways to make Floyd look better....

EG- Pacquiaos career in 2010 started out with a bang but turned fizzle....Manny has not lost or been tested in a while so there has been nothing to fizzle out....U take personal opp and mix it in...Stick w nothing but facts when you do write ups like this

You leave out much of the state in the careers in which some opponents were in when defeated by either....You spend more time trying t5o make excuses for ANY Mayweather short comings...EG- Marquez

What I meant was there was a lot of anticipation for the Pacquiao Mayweather fight and when it didn't happen he fought Clottey. Thats what I meant by a started with a bang(prospect of Pacquiao vs Mayweather) and fizzle (ended up with Clottey vs Pacquiao)

A lot of people weren't really anticipating Pacquiao vs Clottey, but people still anticipate Mayweather vs Mosley. Thats why i said on Pacquiao's side it fizzled because we got Clottey instead of Mayweather. But the fact Mayweather is fighting Mosley is a bigger fight. Basically.

So the fizzle had nothing to do with him not testing or him losing, it had to do with the prospect of the fights he was scheduled for this year and what has happened so far.

And I also took excuses that were made on both ends of their wins

EG: Pacquiao vs Barerra the excuse that Barerra had personal issues.
Corrales v Mayweather the weight drain excuse

I gave the excuses given in their big fights but still give them full credit for it.

And in the resume advantages it was 6 for Mayweather and 4 for Pacquiao.

if we don't count the last one(because the year is over. Its only a 5 to 4 advantage. It wasn't a one sided article for Mayweather.

And I didn't make an excuse for the Marquez performance, I touched on his criticisms and said Pacquiao had the better year and more meaningful wins in 2009 didnt I?

[Kel]

No offense but you spend a lot of that write up (Good job BTW) just trying to find ways to make Floyd look better....

EG- Pacquiaos career in 2010 started out with a bang but turned fizzle....Manny has not lost or been tested in a while so there has been nothing to fizzle out....U take personal opp and mix it in...Stick w nothing but facts when you do write ups like this

You leave out much of the state in the careers in which some opponents were in when defeated by either....You spend more time trying t5o make excuses for ANY Mayweather short comings...EG- Marquez

That's all he ever does.

[Althugz]

U take personal opp and mix it in...Stick w nothing but facts when you do write ups like this

No offence, you do this a hell of a lot too. You dislike Mayweather and that quite clearly affects your posts a lot of the time.

Skel, not quite sure what that tirade was about - At the very least, I give praise to Majesty for the effort to write this up.

When I made a post comparing the two resumes, I don't remember getting flamed to shit - In fact it turned into a pretty civil debate if I remember correctly because IT IS a very valid topic and as correctly pointed out, both of their resumes are looked at in a very skewed perspective by either their fans or their detractors.

Bilbo and Caine, you've got reps for your level headed posts (Caine, the Mayweather having the best resume is debatable though)

[JazMerkin]

U take personal opp and mix it in...Stick w nothing but facts when you do write ups like this

No offence, you do this a hell of a lot too. You dislike Mayweather and that quite clearly affects your posts a lot of the time.

Skel, not quite sure what that tirade was about - At the very least, I give praise to Majesty for the effort to write this up.

When I made a post comparing the two resumes, I don't remember getting flamed to shit - In fact it turned into a pretty civil debate if I remember correctly because IT IS a very valid topic and as correctly pointed out, both of their resumes are looked at in a very skewed perspective by either their fans or their detractors.

Bilbo and Caine, you've got reps for your level headed posts (Caine, the Mayweather having the best resume is debatable though)

I agree with your post. I'm more sick of endless threads about just 2 fighters rather than with Majesty, I'll admit his post is very well written up & thought out.

I know Pacquiao just fought but we don't need another thread on this & I'm not the only one frustrated with it. Most people dislike or like one fighter more than the other & make their decision on that.

The simple fact is that both these guys have the best resumes in the sport there are only a handful of active guys who's resumes are even comparable (JMM, Mosley, Cotto, Jermain Taylor, Hopkins), although I feel all but JMM & Cotto's probably fall short. Anyone who says one fighter has a much better resume is an idiot. Either way it's narrow. I'm just going to copy the post I made in your thread.


Their resumes are basically equivalent, although I'd give Manny a slight edge as of right now, although should both win their next fights, I think the Mosley win would push Mayweather's just ahead. The easiest way to look at is the number of hall of famers they have both faced.

Pacquiao: (Certain HoFers) Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya (Probable) Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, Chatchai Sasakul (Possible but unlikely) Oscar Larios

Mayweather: (Certain HoFers) Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya (Probable) Jose Luis Castillo, Arturo Gatti, Ricky Hatton (Possible but unlikely) Zab Judah, Jesus Chavez

So that's pretty close to even, but with Pacquiao having a slight edge. Part of the whole 'ducking' issue also comes down to where people watch fights. Anything below Lightweight doesn't get much attention, even among many fans. You can make an argument that Mayweather should have fought Margarito or Cotto, however you can equally make the same argument for Pacquiao with the likes of Joan Guzman, Nate Campbell or Humberto Soto at the lower weights. In the end, both have taken more than enough dangerous fights and have probably the best resumes in the sport and once their careers are over, the fights they 'ducked' will be forgotten in favour of realizing just how many dangerous opponents they fought.

[DaxxKahn]

U take personal opp and mix it in...Stick w nothing but facts when you do write ups like this

No offence, you do this a hell of a lot too. You dislike Mayweather and that quite clearly affects your posts a lot of the time.

Skel, not quite sure what that tirade was about - At the very least, I give praise to Majesty for the effort to write this up.

When I made a post comparing the two resumes, I don't remember getting flamed to shit - In fact it turned into a pretty civil debate if I remember correctly because IT IS a very valid topic and as correctly pointed out, both of their resumes are looked at in a very skewed perspective by either their fans or their detractors.

Bilbo and Caine, you've got reps for your level headed posts (Caine, the Mayweather having the best resume is debatable though)

I agree with your post. I'm more sick of endless threads about just 2 fighters rather than with Majesty, I'll admit his post is very well written up & thought out.

Not sick of anything Majesty has to say at all,,,He puts time into his post and can't say I know him to go on endless rants....Like you though I am sick of the topic and these 2 fighters being the single focus of the sport even on threads they are not the topic of

[DaxxKahn]

U take personal opp and mix it in...Stick w nothing but facts when you do write ups like this

No offence, you do this a hell of a lot too. You dislike Mayweather and that quite clearly affects your posts a lot of the time.

Skel, not quite sure what that tirade was about - At the very least, I give praise to Majesty for the effort to write this up.

When I made a post comparing the two resumes, I don't remember getting flamed to shit - In fact it turned into a pretty civil debate if I remember correctly because IT IS a very valid topic and as correctly pointed out, both of their resumes are looked at in a very skewed perspective by either their fans or their detractors.

Bilbo and Caine, you've got reps for your level headed posts (Caine, the Mayweather having the best resume is debatable though)

I personally don't dislike Mayweather...I dislike his attitude in thinking he is bigger then boxing but I have been like that with Many fighters....

EG- The blood test issue...While I always stated it was something I agreed with but on the other hand I also said it is something that has to be implemented by the commission as a whole....IMO today and always is that while these are contracts negotiated between 2 fighters on their own NO fighter can be allowed to overstep his bounds....Is it overstepping? Yes

Leave out the whole clean fighter issue, the whole it is not a fair playing field issue etc fact is if one fighter is allowed to take the further step then the next fighter will do the same....I also said the same about the 10 mil rule for every pound over...Why should Floyd be penalized anything more then what the sport dictates..EG- 100,000 fine, stripped of the title if one was at stake etc....

If they are allowed to start making these demands then you know what in the future and it would be the near future every fighter would start with shit demands...while one fighter may have had a smart idea it would end up with shit like

I can only fight from 2 til 5 on saturdays or I want it in my contract that my Dad is the ring announcer...Y just because they see demands can be made and have to be met if promoters fighters ect want to fight...You can strip every champion of his belt but all you end up with is a sport full nothing more then backyard brawls.....

Floyd while I support his reasoning picked an awful funny time to decide this and with no reason to show suspicion other then personal one....If he is THAT SERIOUS ABOUT THE CAUSE AND SAFETY OF EVERY FIGHTER AND KEEPING THE SPORT PURE WHY DOES HE NOT RALLY THE OTHER FIGHTERS TO MAKE IT MANDATORY?......Don't bother answering because it is a question with no answers.....

As for the copmment on his Opp and time he choose to fight them that one speaks for itself and is not something only I say..

At 140 he chose Gatti as the champion to chase...YET Gatti who we all loved was at the tail end AND tailor made for Floyd....Can you fault Floyd for it? NO but Floyd got out of Dodge real Quick and headed to 147 to fight another soft champion in Baldomir...Then decided to fight Judah who was on the path to self destruction before deciding not to defend his WBC title...Fights DLH at 154 and drop to fight Hatton...The DLH fight was tougher then he expected and he only fought Hatton (not to say he would ever lose to hatton EVER) because Ricky called him out and he had no choice or lose face....

But what about the rest of 147 at the time?...Half the division was ranked in the top 20 P4P....There were 2 undefeated champions, one champion seemed to have a cast iron jaw and the contenders below the champions were better then the champs in most divisions...Yet Floyd decided there is no one left to fight?...But after Margarito was exposed, Williams moved to 154-160. Cotto beaten to a pulp Floyd decides to comeback against a guy who is 2 divisions smaller and had only been in the division that was 2 under him for 2 fights one he was fighting for hi9s life almost literally

am I wrong or am I thinking of another Floyd Mayweather Jr?

But I have said the same about RJJ when he was at LHW, Calzaghe until he finally insisted Warren give him real fighters in their primes, Tyson in the 80's when he was fighting guys like Thomas and Tillis I said don't judge him by the way he opens tomato cans.....etc.....

I go by what is done in the ring...My opp when I dislike a fighter I always state why...I have fighters I am big fans of that have done similar things and call them out on it as well....

I am the biggest LL fan here but I called LL out on things from his career like being cocky, lazy w training etc so please don't say I use personal opp abt fighters to debate things that go on in the ring...

Majesty did a great job with his post and thread...It is just how he see's it....I see it different....

I will say regardless of how we view it he said what he had to and when someone disagreed he did not get all bothered and go off on people...Makes the debate worth having if you know what I mean

[Kel]

nice write up and the effort put in.

Wonder if Majesty made this account?