Dominance! (There will be spoilers about Wlad-Chambers)

[Majesty]

You know it amazes me when a heavyweight is called boring when he plays safety 1st, but when a lighter fighter does the same thing he is a defensive wizard and or technician ie BHop, Floyd Mayweather and they get called atg's; Now I'm not necessarily comparing him to them but the man is cleaning out the heavyweights no matter how you look at it and if there was another division above heavyweights I'm sure Vlad would rule that too. Another heavyweight bites the dust and people still knock him. I tell you what nobody in this era is going to beat a 100% Vlad unless they put their nuts out there and go for broke like Sanders did. Lennox Lewis could be boring as hell but he is in alot of atg heavyweight list without fighting Bowe, Moorer, Byrd or a rubber match with Evander or even fighting Vlad and he had been knocked out twice himself by lesser opponents and could put people to sleep (see Mavrovic and Tua fights) with his dull style. Vlad at this point should be in the p4p top 10 and deserves all the credit he has earned. He has lost before but like a true champion he has learned from his mistakes and this has made him a complete fighter. He will be missed when he is gone and no one is there to fill the void when the time comes...Long live Vlad and his dominant reign as heavyweight king. And kudos to Manny Steward for chipping away the final pebbles to his latest masterpiece.

There is a very big difference between being a defensive master. And playing it safe when you have every physical advantage on a fighter. Wladimer jabs jabs jabs and grabs which he should be warned for.

Wladimer fights like he is scared to get knocked out again. Wladimer has size, power, speed, and accuracy on Chambers, explain to me why he has to jab for 12 rounds before finishing him.

You cannot compare him to Floyd or Whitaker or any defensive fighter.

Mayweather has speed over most anyone he faces and has the best defense in the business, yet when he has the opening he stops his opponents, and knocks them out and when he has a fighter hurt he goes for the kill when its there.

With Wladimer, it's been "there" for the last 6 rounds before he decided to do anything about it.

There's a difference between a boring fighter and a defensive artist. What Wlad does isn't being a defensive master its being scared to be knocked out again.

When you have reach, size, weight, He had a near 50 pound weight advantage. And power!!!

Tell me how someone with all these strengths waits for the 12th round to get someone out that he should get out in 4 or 5 rounds?

And don't say "its up to someone to bring it out of him and make him use it" That makes no sense, so he should wait till he gets hurt in a fight before he starts to use all the advantages he has? If anything prolonging a fight cause you're scared to go for the kill only makes another fighter braver and likens your chance to be stopped. There is no excuse to justify how Wladimer fights, so don't look for one.

[Gandalf]

You know it amazes me when a heavyweight is called boring when he plays safety 1st, but when a lighter fighter does the same thing he is a defensive wizard and or technician ie BHop, Floyd Mayweather and they get called atg's; Now I'm not necessarily comparing him to them but the man is cleaning out the heavyweights no matter how you look at it and if there was another division above heavyweights I'm sure Vlad would rule that too. Another heavyweight bites the dust and people still knock him. I tell you what nobody in this era is going to beat a 100% Vlad unless they put their nuts out there and go for broke like Sanders did. Lennox Lewis could be boring as hell but he is in alot of atg heavyweight list without fighting Bowe, Moorer, Byrd or a rubber match with Evander or even fighting Vlad and he had been knocked out twice himself by lesser opponents and could put people to sleep (see Mavrovic and Tua fights) with his dull style. Vlad at this point should be in the p4p top 10 and deserves all the credit he has earned. He has lost before but like a true champion he has learned from his mistakes and this has made him a complete fighter. He will be missed when he is gone and no one is there to fill the void when the time comes...Long live Vlad and his dominant reign as heavyweight king. And kudos to Manny Steward for chipping away the final pebbles to his latest masterpiece.

There is a very big difference between being a defensive master. And playing it safe when you have every physical advantage on a fighter. Wladimer jabs jabs jabs and grabs which he should be warned for.

Wladimer fights like he is scared to get knocked out again. Wladimer has size, power, speed, and accuracy on Chambers, explain to me why he has to jab for 12 rounds before finishing him.

You cannot compare him to Floyd or Whitaker or any defensive fighter.

Mayweather has speed over most anyone he faces and has the best defense in the business, yet when he has the opening he stops his opponents, and knocks them out and when he has a fighter hurt he goes for the kill when its there.

With Wladimer, it's been "there" for the last 6 rounds before he decided to do anything about it.

There's a difference between a boring fighter and a defensive artist. What Wlad does isn't being a defensive master its being scared to be knocked out again.

When you have reach, size, weight, He had a near 50 pound weight advantage. And power!!!

Tell me how someone with all these strengths waits for the 12th round to get someone out that he should get out in 4 or 5 rounds?

And don't say "its up to someone to bring it out of him and make him use it" That makes no sense, so he should wait till he gets hurt in a fight before he starts to use all the advantages he has? If anything prolonging a fight cause you're scared to go for the kill only makes another fighter braver and likens your chance to be stopped. There is no excuse to justify how Wladimer fights, so don't look for one.

Good post. In no other division can you hold such obvious advantages over your opponents and he plays it extremely safe in order to make the win. You have to respect him doing what he needs to do to win, but why on earth are 50, 000 people wanting to see it? It is bloody boring.

Jab, jab, jab then clinch if he can. I quite like how Chambers picked him up twice. I would like to see more of that. Chambers was simply too small and had the wrong style. What we need is either more big heavyweights who can deploy the same tools Wlad does or a strong smaller heavyweight who will move the head, slip and get inside and fire off punches before Wlad can. Someone like prime Tyson would have eaten Wlad Klitschko up for breakfast. Klitschko is really no defensive master, not at all. He just looks decent against fighters who give up trying to win and who turn all Clottey-esque on us.

[Pugilistic]

You know it amazes me when a heavyweight is called boring when he plays safety 1st, but when a lighter fighter does the same thing he is a defensive wizard and or technician ie BHop, Floyd Mayweather and they get called atg's; Now I'm not necessarily comparing him to them but the man is cleaning out the heavyweights no matter how you look at it and if there was another division above heavyweights I'm sure Vlad would rule that too. Another heavyweight bites the dust and people still knock him. I tell you what nobody in this era is going to beat a 100% Vlad unless they put their nuts out there and go for broke like Sanders did. Lennox Lewis could be boring as hell but he is in alot of atg heavyweight list without fighting Bowe, Moorer, Byrd or a rubber match with Evander or even fighting Vlad and he had been knocked out twice himself by lesser opponents and could put people to sleep (see Mavrovic and Tua fights) with his dull style. Vlad at this point should be in the p4p top 10 and deserves all the credit he has earned. He has lost before but like a true champion he has learned from his mistakes and this has made him a complete fighter. He will be missed when he is gone and no one is there to fill the void when the time comes...Long live Vlad and his dominant reign as heavyweight king. And kudos to Manny Steward for chipping away the final pebbles to his latest masterpiece.

There is a very big difference between being a defensive master. And playing it safe when you have every physical advantage on a fighter. Wladimer jabs jabs jabs and grabs which he should be warned for.

Wladimer fights like he is scared to get knocked out again. Wladimer has size, power, speed, and accuracy on Chambers, explain to me why he has to jab for 12 rounds before finishing him.

You cannot compare him to Floyd or Whitaker or any defensive fighter.

Mayweather has speed over most anyone he faces and has the best defense in the business, yet when he has the opening he stops his opponents, and knocks them out and when he has a fighter hurt he goes for the kill when its there.

With Wladimer, it's been "there" for the last 6 rounds before he decided to do anything about it.

There's a difference between a boring fighter and a defensive artist. What Wlad does isn't being a defensive master its being scared to be knocked out again.

When you have reach, size, weight, He had a near 50 pound weight advantage. And power!!!

Tell me how someone with all these strengths waits for the 12th round to get someone out that he should get out in 4 or 5 rounds?

And don't say "its up to someone to bring it out of him and make him use it" That makes no sense, so he should wait till he gets hurt in a fight before he starts to use all the advantages he has? If anything prolonging a fight cause you're scared to go for the kill only makes another fighter braver and likens your chance to be stopped. There is no excuse to justify how Wladimer fights, so don't look for one.

Good post. In no other division can you hold such obvious advantages over your opponents and he plays it extremely safe in order to make the win. You have to respect him doing what he needs to do to win, but why on earth are 50, 000 people wanting to see it? It is bloody boring.

Jab, jab, jab then clinch if he can. I quite like how Chambers picked him up twice. I would like to see more of that. Chambers was simply too small and had the wrong style. What we need is either more big heavyweights who can deploy the same tools Wlad does or a strong smaller heavyweight who will move the head, slip and get inside and fire off punches before Wlad can. Someone like prime Tyson would have eaten Wlad Klitschko up for breakfast. Klitschko is really no defensive master, not at all. He just looks decent against fighters who give up trying to win and who turn all Clottey-esque on us.

Although i agree that a prime Tyson would cause Wlad major problems because of the speed, power, head movement and angles, You shouldn't discredit Wlad's abilities in the ring and his achivements regardless of how weak the division is. Calzaghe and Hopkins are great fighters but the division's they dominated weren't that good really but there dominance was too good to go ignored. Wlad stylistically would actually cause Tyson alot of problems because of his size, reach advantage, great jab,etc. I would favor Mike though.

Wlad is a great boxer, he is awesome at fighting at his range and at controlling the pace, his footwork is great. His jab is deadly accurate and his right hand and left hook can take you out if landed clean. His handspeed is good for a fighter his size also. The only thing his game lacks is body work and an inside game but with his reach and height advantage he doesn't really need them.

Chambers did try and win tonight, he simply couldn't get past the jab and Wlad's footwork threw him off. When ever Eddie fired punches, Wlad would take a few steps back, avoid Eddie shots and start firing the jab again. Thats really frustrating for a fighter to deal with especially a accurate guy like Chambers.

[Gandalf]

There is a very big difference between being a defensive master. And playing it safe when you have every physical advantage on a fighter. Wladimer jabs jabs jabs and grabs which he should be warned for.

Wladimer fights like he is scared to get knocked out again. Wladimer has size, power, speed, and accuracy on Chambers, explain to me why he has to jab for 12 rounds before finishing him.

You cannot compare him to Floyd or Whitaker or any defensive fighter.

Mayweather has speed over most anyone he faces and has the best defense in the business, yet when he has the opening he stops his opponents, and knocks them out and when he has a fighter hurt he goes for the kill when its there.

With Wladimer, it's been "there" for the last 6 rounds before he decided to do anything about it.

There's a difference between a boring fighter and a defensive artist. What Wlad does isn't being a defensive master its being scared to be knocked out again.

When you have reach, size, weight, He had a near 50 pound weight advantage. And power!!!

Tell me how someone with all these strengths waits for the 12th round to get someone out that he should get out in 4 or 5 rounds?

And don't say "its up to someone to bring it out of him and make him use it" That makes no sense, so he should wait till he gets hurt in a fight before he starts to use all the advantages he has? If anything prolonging a fight cause you're scared to go for the kill only makes another fighter braver and likens your chance to be stopped. There is no excuse to justify how Wladimer fights, so don't look for one.

Good post. In no other division can you hold such obvious advantages over your opponents and he plays it extremely safe in order to make the win. You have to respect him doing what he needs to do to win, but why on earth are 50, 000 people wanting to see it? It is bloody boring.

Jab, jab, jab then clinch if he can. I quite like how Chambers picked him up twice. I would like to see more of that. Chambers was simply too small and had the wrong style. What we need is either more big heavyweights who can deploy the same tools Wlad does or a strong smaller heavyweight who will move the head, slip and get inside and fire off punches before Wlad can. Someone like prime Tyson would have eaten Wlad Klitschko up for breakfast. Klitschko is really no defensive master, not at all. He just looks decent against fighters who give up trying to win and who turn all Clottey-esque on us.

Although i agree that a prime Tyson would cause Wlad major problems because of the speed, power, head movement and angles, You shouldn't discredit Wlad's abilities in the ring and his achivements regardless of how weak the division is. Calzaghe and Hopkins are great fighters but the division's they dominated weren't that good really but there dominance was too good to go ignored.

Wlad is a great boxer, he is awesome at fighting at his range and at controlling the pace, his footwork is great. His jab is deadly accurate and his right hand and left hook can take you out if landed clean. His handspeed is good for a fighter his size also. The only thing his game lacks is body work and an inside game but with his reach and height advantage he doesn't really need them.

Chambers did try and win tonight, he simply couldn't get past the jab and Wlad's footwork threw him off. When ever Eddie fired punches, Wlad would take a few steps back, avoid Eddie shots and start firing the jab again. Thats really frustrating for a fighter to deal with especially a accurate guy like Chambers.

Hopkins and Calzaghe were fighting men who weighed the same and had similar physical tools. There were no 40 pound weight differentials to be dealing with. If the guy was taller, then at least you knew you weighed the same. The other weight classes exist for good reason. Only at heavyweight can you get such size disparities.

Don't get me wrong Wlad does what he needs to do and it isn't his fault that there is noone to challenge him, but Chambers could quite easily make cruiserweight. Wlad is a superheavyweight really. I think the size can be overcome with skills, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing much on the horizon. A Tyson type figure would put the fear of god into Wlad. Tyson would be his achilles heel. I just don't see how Wladimir would be able to keep him off and stay calm enough to not allow his stamina to suffer badly. Chambers is quite quick, but not offensive minded in the slightest. He has no real power and was too willing to just let the seconds tick by while Wlad kept pawing at the guard.

I've always much preferred Vitali to Wlad, at least the man engages and throws punches.

[Majesty]

Good post. In no other division can you hold such obvious advantages over your opponents and he plays it extremely safe in order to make the win. You have to respect him doing what he needs to do to win, but why on earth are 50, 000 people wanting to see it? It is bloody boring.

Jab, jab, jab then clinch if he can. I quite like how Chambers picked him up twice. I would like to see more of that. Chambers was simply too small and had the wrong style. What we need is either more big heavyweights who can deploy the same tools Wlad does or a strong smaller heavyweight who will move the head, slip and get inside and fire off punches before Wlad can. Someone like prime Tyson would have eaten Wlad Klitschko up for breakfast. Klitschko is really no defensive master, not at all. He just looks decent against fighters who give up trying to win and who turn all Clottey-esque on us.

Although i agree that a prime Tyson would cause Wlad major problems because of the speed, power, head movement and angles, You shouldn't discredit Wlad's abilities in the ring and his achivements regardless of how weak the division is. Calzaghe and Hopkins are great fighters but the division's they dominated weren't that good really but there dominance was too good to go ignored.

Wlad is a great boxer, he is awesome at fighting at his range and at controlling the pace, his footwork is great. His jab is deadly accurate and his right hand and left hook can take you out if landed clean. His handspeed is good for a fighter his size also. The only thing his game lacks is body work and an inside game but with his reach and height advantage he doesn't really need them.

Chambers did try and win tonight, he simply couldn't get past the jab and Wlad's footwork threw him off. When ever Eddie fired punches, Wlad would take a few steps back, avoid Eddie shots and start firing the jab again. Thats really frustrating for a fighter to deal with especially a accurate guy like Chambers.

Hopkins and Calzaghe were fighting men who weighed the same and had similar physical tools. There were no 40 pound weight differentials to be dealing with. If the guy was taller, then at least you knew you weighed the same. The other weight classes exist for good reason. Only at heavyweight can you get such size disparities.

Don't get me wrong Wlad does what he needs to do and it isn't his fault that there is noone to challenge him, but Chambers could quite easily make cruiserweight. Wlad is a superheavyweight really. I think the size can be overcome with skills, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing much on the horizon. A Tyson type figure would put the fear of god into Wlad. Tyson would be his achilles heel. I just don't see how Wladimir would be able to keep him off and stay calm enough to not allow his stamina to suffer badly. Chambers is quite quick, but not offensive minded in the slightest. He has no real power and was too willing to just let the seconds tick by while Wlad kept pawing at the guard.

I've always much preferred Vitali to Wlad, at least the man engages and throws punches.

yes and someone with the advantages of Wladimer, fights like he has none at all.

As I said he has size, reach, speed, accuracy and POWER over any other Heavyweight out there. A height and reach advantage as well.

Now, why would someone with all these advantages have to take 12 rounds to stop any opponent? Simply put he is afraid of getting knocked out again. If he used all the skill he has he would be blowing people out in a round or two. You can talk trash about Lennox Lewis all you want but when he had someone he took them out of there so he wouldnt get caught with anything crazy. Wladimer just prolongs and prolongs and prolongs.

When Lennox had someone hurt he got them out.

Fact is Wladimer would take 12 rounds to beat Andrew Golata now, and Lewis knocked him out in the first round.

People can try to say Lennox was boring but he never "prolong"ed anything.

Tua he never really hurt and boxed safely and it was a boring fight. But Wladimer has no tua's in front of him, no one thats gonna blow him out. he had freaking eddie chambers in front of him, 50 pound weight advantage, 6 inch height advantage probably a long reach advantage too and yet it takes him 12 rounds to beat this guy? Why anyone tries to excuse Wlads boringness is beyond me

[DaxxKahn]

Although i agree that a prime Tyson would cause Wlad major problems because of the speed, power, head movement and angles, You shouldn't discredit Wlad's abilities in the ring and his achivements regardless of how weak the division is. Calzaghe and Hopkins are great fighters but the division's they dominated weren't that good really but there dominance was too good to go ignored.

Wlad is a great boxer, he is awesome at fighting at his range and at controlling the pace, his footwork is great. His jab is deadly accurate and his right hand and left hook can take you out if landed clean. His handspeed is good for a fighter his size also. The only thing his game lacks is body work and an inside game but with his reach and height advantage he doesn't really need them.

Chambers did try and win tonight, he simply couldn't get past the jab and Wlad's footwork threw him off. When ever Eddie fired punches, Wlad would take a few steps back, avoid Eddie shots and start firing the jab again. Thats really frustrating for a fighter to deal with especially a accurate guy like Chambers.

Hopkins and Calzaghe were fighting men who weighed the same and had similar physical tools. There were no 40 pound weight differentials to be dealing with. If the guy was taller, then at least you knew you weighed the same. The other weight classes exist for good reason. Only at heavyweight can you get such size disparities.

Don't get me wrong Wlad does what he needs to do and it isn't his fault that there is noone to challenge him, but Chambers could quite easily make cruiserweight. Wlad is a superheavyweight really. I think the size can be overcome with skills, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing much on the horizon. A Tyson type figure would put the fear of god into Wlad. Tyson would be his achilles heel. I just don't see how Wladimir would be able to keep him off and stay calm enough to not allow his stamina to suffer badly. Chambers is quite quick, but not offensive minded in the slightest. He has no real power and was too willing to just let the seconds tick by while Wlad kept pawing at the guard.

I've always much preferred Vitali to Wlad, at least the man engages and throws punches.

yes and someone with the advantages of Wladimer, fights like he has none at all.

As I said he has size, reach, speed, accuracy and POWER over any other Heavyweight out there. A height and reach advantage as well.

Now, why would someone with all these advantages have to take 12 rounds to stop any opponent? Simply put he is afraid of getting knocked out again. If he used all the skill he has he would be blowing people out in a round or two. You can talk trash about Lennox Lewis all you want but when he had someone he took them out of there so he wouldnt get caught with anything crazy. Wladimer just prolongs and prolongs and prolongs.

When Lennox had someone hurt he got them out.

Fact is Wladimer would take 12 rounds to beat Andrew Golata now, and Lewis knocked him out in the first round.

People can try to say Lennox was boring but he never "prolong"ed anything.

Tua he never really hurt and boxed safely and it was a boring fight. But Wladimer has no tua's in front of him, no one thats gonna blow him out. he had freaking eddie chambers in front of him, 50 pound weight advantage, 6 inch height advantage probably a long reach advantage too and yet it takes him 12 rounds to beat this guy? Why anyone tries to excuse Wlads boringness is beyond me

What the Tua/Lewis fight lacked in constant action made up for it ion the shots they took....Both fighters ate some big big punches in that bout

[Hunter]

Keep in mind, before the Sanders fight Wlad was much more aggressive, he got caught, his confidence was hurt and became much more careful. I think as time goes on he will become more aggressive but it is not like he is doing it for no reason......He did get caught and lost. The problem is Wlad is too smart and he wont make the mistake he made in Sanders fight again......

Also, Wlad was way ahead on the cards going into the 12 round vs chambers and pressed the KO, so give the guy some credit for that......

[ICB]

Hopkins and Calzaghe were fighting men who weighed the same and had similar physical tools. There were no 40 pound weight differentials to be dealing with. If the guy was taller, then at least you knew you weighed the same. The other weight classes exist for good reason. Only at heavyweight can you get such size disparities.

Don't get me wrong Wlad does what he needs to do and it isn't his fault that there is noone to challenge him, but Chambers could quite easily make cruiserweight. Wlad is a superheavyweight really. I think the size can be overcome with skills, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing much on the horizon. A Tyson type figure would put the fear of god into Wlad. Tyson would be his achilles heel. I just don't see how Wladimir would be able to keep him off and stay calm enough to not allow his stamina to suffer badly. Chambers is quite quick, but not offensive minded in the slightest. He has no real power and was too willing to just let the seconds tick by while Wlad kept pawing at the guard.

I've always much preferred Vitali to Wlad, at least the man engages and throws punches.

yes and someone with the advantages of Wladimer, fights like he has none at all.

As I said he has size, reach, speed, accuracy and POWER over any other Heavyweight out there. A height and reach advantage as well.

Now, why would someone with all these advantages have to take 12 rounds to stop any opponent? Simply put he is afraid of getting knocked out again. If he used all the skill he has he would be blowing people out in a round or two. You can talk trash about Lennox Lewis all you want but when he had someone he took them out of there so he wouldnt get caught with anything crazy. Wladimer just prolongs and prolongs and prolongs.

When Lennox had someone hurt he got them out.

Fact is Wladimer would take 12 rounds to beat Andrew Golata now, and Lewis knocked him out in the first round.

People can try to say Lennox was boring but he never "prolong"ed anything.

Tua he never really hurt and boxed safely and it was a boring fight. But Wladimer has no tua's in front of him, no one thats gonna blow him out. he had freaking eddie chambers in front of him, 50 pound weight advantage, 6 inch height advantage probably a long reach advantage too and yet it takes him 12 rounds to beat this guy? Why anyone tries to excuse Wlads boringness is beyond me

What the Tua/Lewis fight lacked in constant action made up for it ion the shots they took....Both fighters ate some big big punches in that bout

Not really David Tua landed about 4 solid punches in the bout, and im not sure if any of them were that flush. Considering Lennox Lewis was always moving backwards from the punch, taking the sting out of it.

Not a fight i would ever want to rewatch, David Tua was suprisingly very defensive. And never really tried to win, and Lennox Lewis was very boring to watch in that fight for me, a real stinker of a fight considering the two fighters.

[Pugilistic]

Good post. In no other division can you hold such obvious advantages over your opponents and he plays it extremely safe in order to make the win. You have to respect him doing what he needs to do to win, but why on earth are 50, 000 people wanting to see it? It is bloody boring.

Jab, jab, jab then clinch if he can. I quite like how Chambers picked him up twice. I would like to see more of that. Chambers was simply too small and had the wrong style. What we need is either more big heavyweights who can deploy the same tools Wlad does or a strong smaller heavyweight who will move the head, slip and get inside and fire off punches before Wlad can. Someone like prime Tyson would have eaten Wlad Klitschko up for breakfast. Klitschko is really no defensive master, not at all. He just looks decent against fighters who give up trying to win and who turn all Clottey-esque on us.

Although i agree that a prime Tyson would cause Wlad major problems because of the speed, power, head movement and angles, You shouldn't discredit Wlad's abilities in the ring and his achivements regardless of how weak the division is. Calzaghe and Hopkins are great fighters but the division's they dominated weren't that good really but there dominance was too good to go ignored.

Wlad is a great boxer, he is awesome at fighting at his range and at controlling the pace, his footwork is great. His jab is deadly accurate and his right hand and left hook can take you out if landed clean. His handspeed is good for a fighter his size also. The only thing his game lacks is body work and an inside game but with his reach and height advantage he doesn't really need them.

Chambers did try and win tonight, he simply couldn't get past the jab and Wlad's footwork threw him off. When ever Eddie fired punches, Wlad would take a few steps back, avoid Eddie shots and start firing the jab again. Thats really frustrating for a fighter to deal with especially a accurate guy like Chambers.

Hopkins and Calzaghe were fighting men who weighed the same and had similar physical tools. There were no 40 pound weight differentials to be dealing with. If the guy was taller, then at least you knew you weighed the same. The other weight classes exist for good reason. Only at heavyweight can you get such size disparities.

Don't get me wrong Wlad does what he needs to do and it isn't his fault that there is noone to challenge him, but Chambers could quite easily make cruiserweight. Wlad is a superheavyweight really. I think the size can be overcome with skills, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing much on the horizon. A Tyson type figure would put the fear of god into Wlad. Tyson would be his achilles heel. I just don't see how Wladimir would be able to keep him off and stay calm enough to not allow his stamina to suffer badly. Chambers is quite quick, but not offensive minded in the slightest. He has no real power and was too willing to just let the seconds tick by while Wlad kept pawing at the guard.

I've always much preferred Vitali to Wlad, at least the man engages and throws punches.

It's not Wlad's fault that he has a size advantage over most of his opponents. Wlad's size is an advantage but not that much of a advantage that he can dominate all the fighters he faces. he has a great skillset to go along with his size. The heavyweight division states that anything over 200 pounds is a heavyweight so it's not like he's cheating lol.

Size wasn't a factor for Eddie when he clearly outboxed 6ft7 254 pounds Alexander Dimitrenko for 12 rounds. Dimitrenko actually has a longer reach than Wlad by 2 inches and Eddie was even able to hurt him a few times.

It was all different against Wlad though because he has alot of boxing ability to go along with the size and reach.

[sumkalambay]

Although i agree that a prime Tyson would cause Wlad major problems because of the speed, power, head movement and angles, You shouldn't discredit Wlad's abilities in the ring and his achivements regardless of how weak the division is. Calzaghe and Hopkins are great fighters but the division's they dominated weren't that good really but there dominance was too good to go ignored.

Wlad is a great boxer, he is awesome at fighting at his range and at controlling the pace, his footwork is great. His jab is deadly accurate and his right hand and left hook can take you out if landed clean. His handspeed is good for a fighter his size also. The only thing his game lacks is body work and an inside game but with his reach and height advantage he doesn't really need them.

Chambers did try and win tonight, he simply couldn't get past the jab and Wlad's footwork threw him off. When ever Eddie fired punches, Wlad would take a few steps back, avoid Eddie shots and start firing the jab again. Thats really frustrating for a fighter to deal with especially a accurate guy like Chambers.

Hopkins and Calzaghe were fighting men who weighed the same and had similar physical tools. There were no 40 pound weight differentials to be dealing with. If the guy was taller, then at least you knew you weighed the same. The other weight classes exist for good reason. Only at heavyweight can you get such size disparities.

Don't get me wrong Wlad does what he needs to do and it isn't his fault that there is noone to challenge him, but Chambers could quite easily make cruiserweight. Wlad is a superheavyweight really. I think the size can be overcome with skills, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing much on the horizon. A Tyson type figure would put the fear of god into Wlad. Tyson would be his achilles heel. I just don't see how Wladimir would be able to keep him off and stay calm enough to not allow his stamina to suffer badly. Chambers is quite quick, but not offensive minded in the slightest. He has no real power and was too willing to just let the seconds tick by while Wlad kept pawing at the guard.

I've always much preferred Vitali to Wlad, at least the man engages and throws punches.

It's not Wlad's fault that he has a size advantage over most of his opponents. Wlad's size is an advantage but not that much of a advantage that he can dominate all the fighters he faces. he has a great skillset to go along with his size. The heavyweight division states that anything over 200 pounds is a heavyweight so it's not like he's cheating lol.

Size wasn't a factor for Eddie when he clearly outboxed 6ft7 254 pounds Alexander Dimitrenko for 12 rounds. Dimitrenko actually has a longer reach than Wlad by 2 inches and Eddie was even able to hurt him a few times.

It was all different against Wlad though because he has alot of boxing ability to go along with the size and reach.

it's not a lot of boxing ability. it's his strength and power. if he had a lot of boxing ability, he wouldn't have went in there head hunting and made to look like an absolute monkey at times by chambers.

there isn't much gap if at all between wlad and chambers in boxing skills.

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Hopkins and Calzaghe were fighting men who weighed the same and had similar physical tools. There were no 40 pound weight differentials to be dealing with. If the guy was taller, then at least you knew you weighed the same. The other weight classes exist for good reason. Only at heavyweight can you get such size disparities.

Don't get me wrong Wlad does what he needs to do and it isn't his fault that there is noone to challenge him, but Chambers could quite easily make cruiserweight. Wlad is a superheavyweight really. I think the size can be overcome with skills, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing much on the horizon. A Tyson type figure would put the fear of god into Wlad. Tyson would be his achilles heel. I just don't see how Wladimir would be able to keep him off and stay calm enough to not allow his stamina to suffer badly. Chambers is quite quick, but not offensive minded in the slightest. He has no real power and was too willing to just let the seconds tick by while Wlad kept pawing at the guard.

I've always much preferred Vitali to Wlad, at least the man engages and throws punches.

It's not Wlad's fault that he has a size advantage over most of his opponents. Wlad's size is an advantage but not that much of a advantage that he can dominate all the fighters he faces. he has a great skillset to go along with his size. The heavyweight division states that anything over 200 pounds is a heavyweight so it's not like he's cheating lol.

Size wasn't a factor for Eddie when he clearly outboxed 6ft7 254 pounds Alexander Dimitrenko for 12 rounds. Dimitrenko actually has a longer reach than Wlad by 2 inches and Eddie was even able to hurt him a few times.

It was all different against Wlad though because he has alot of boxing ability to go along with the size and reach.

it's not a lot of boxing ability. it's his strength and power. if he had a lot of boxing ability, he wouldn't have went in there head hunting and made to look like an absolute monkey at times by chambers.

there isn't much gap if at all between wlad and chambers in boxing skills.

Wlad doesn't win fights on power, he outboxes his opponent then knocks them out.

Eddie barely landed on Wlad except for the odd right hand over the top and a few bodyshots all the while getting jabbed constantly through his guard.

Wlad clearly outboxed Chambers, his jab alone forced Eddie to go into a shell. Wlad is clearly the better boxer and it showed last night.