Jaz's Prospect Thread

[ryanman]

He definitely needs to work on his stance. His legs are way too far apart.

Definitely, I hope that his team get that sorted out quick because he's got all the raw materials.

I think I'm just going to make this my prospects thread & update it anytime I see a new guy who's worth talking about rather than constantly creating new ones. Obviously anyone else is welcome to post any they think are good. Except you CFH, you no-good Canuck racist.

Great idea for a thread.
I know its been said but I can't believe how wide his stance is. Its absolutely crazy. It must severely effect his mobility. Having said that you would think this is something that can altered without TOO much difficulty. Although I often think that when a fighter has a glaring fault but they often don't end up adjusting.

[Cressa121]

He looks to have the raw attributes to be a very good fighter, but he really needs to work on that stance, it's far too wide. Looks one to watch though

[Spicoli]

He's short.Nice hand speed but real wide,almost slappy in spots ??A little to much of trying to look spectacular off some combos.Good to see fresh faces and hope he continues to recieve exposure and love the stiff competion.Will pay dividends down the road.

[JazMerkin]

Ice, Nameless, Paddy, I agree those guys are all solid prospects (although Mitchell & surely Gamboa are well above prospect level), but I was hoping more that we could look at those prospects that don't have a lot of hype around them. Guys like Jacobs, Lemieux & Brook have always had a lot of press, but there's a lot of other guys coming up away from the spotlight who could be very special. It's good for them to get a bit of attention as they often shape up better (see Timothy Bradley).

Anyway, I'll carry this on with another Lightweight, this time from Califiornia. His name is Luis Ramos and some of the more dedicated may have seen on Fight Night Club. He's another Golden Boy guy and whilst he hasn't been matched anywhere near as tough as Broner imo, he's making a few less glaring errors although I would say Broner is more talented. I really like a few things about him. He's got a great workrate, he closes distance well and he doesn't let a few punches affect his gameplan. In recent fights he's also showed that he can take a few rounds to figure out his guy whilst also doing enough to take the rounds. I'm not sure he goes all the way, but he's a young fighter I just love watching & one I suspect might be involved in FOTY candidate or two in the next couple of years.

The guy he's fighting here is Walter Estrada, who was coming off a losing streak, but is much better than his recent history suggests. He once fought Scott Harrison for a world title, and in the past two years has fought Gamboa, Roman Martinez, Kevin Mitchell and Miguel Garcia (another quality prospect), and only Gamboa blew him away. He gave the other three more than something to think about and you could actually make an argument for him beating Garcia.

Luis Ramos vs Walter Estrada - Fight Night Club

This is a previous fight against a journeyman whose main claim to fame was KOing Johnny Tapia five years ago

Ramos Jr vs Marcos - Fight Night Club

[paddy448]

I like the look of liam walsh.he's a frank warren fighter. He'S the best of 3 brothers. Hes got good amateur pedigree, a fantastic workfare.he's only had a handfull of fights. With the right schooling I think he can develop into a top exciting fighter.

[KananKrus]

I saw on Versus TV Derrick Wilson knocking out with a singular punch another prospect and previously undefeated 12-0, Charles Huerta in less than a minute in the first round. I don't know if this can be a basis for future greatness, but surely the manner by which how he had won the fight warranted some attention. No mistake, it was impressive.

Heard the latest Freddie Roach protege, 17-year old Jesse Benavidez, has shown the same qualities that are stock essentials of the the greats.

I used to think highly of Daniel Jacobs, but recent outings have proven that he has yet to develop decisiveness in his approach towards his chosen profession.

[mad_takamura]

Damn, maybe I should have included Mayweather, Pacquiao or PED in the title just to get someone interested.

Whatever happened to when we used to discuss prospects and lesser-known fighters. I'm now going to make it my mission to bump any thread I can about prospects or lower-weight guys.

Did you say PAC?
Ooops! Wrong thread.

[JazMerkin]

I saw on Versus TV Derrick Wilson knocking out with a singular punch another prospect and previously undefeated 12-0, Charles Huerta in less than a minute in the first round. I don't know if this can be a basis for future greatness, but surely the manner by which how he had won the fight warranted some attention. No mistake, it was impressive.

Heard the latest Freddie Roach protege, 17-year old Jesse Benavidez, has shown the same qualities that are stock essentials of the the greats.

I used to think highly of Daniel Jacobs, but recent outings have proven that he has yet to develop decisiveness in his approach towards his chosen profession.

Wilson did well, however he just didn't perform in his next fight and threw away a decision that could easily have been his. He's fighting tomorrow night and hopefully he can start to make amends, but I suspect he's headed for life as gatekeeper rather than any dreams of a world title. He just looks to lack that consistency to me.

Benavidez and Jacobs are both heavily hyped. Benavidez looks very good so far, but he should be against the comp he's been in with. It's hard to say he's a prospect until he's fought someone at least slightly above tomato can level.

I don't know what you're seeing in Jacobs, he's done well when stepping up against difficult guys like Walker & Ishe Smith. Those aren't easy guys to look good against, but he made sure he clearly won. It can't all be knockouts and he's showing a hell of a lot of promise.

[killersheep]

I don't know if he's been mentioned or not here but I like Edwin Rodriguez.

Edwin Rodriguez - Boxer

He was on fnf last week.

He's got a great amatuer pedigree and he looks to make the fight happen in the fight.

I agree about Derrick Wilson he looked so impressive and wild against Huerta and then he just couldn't crack the code of deLeon which Huerta in turn beat, but it wasn't easy. What may happen here is a rematch of Huerta and Wilson, which would say a lot about that first night.

[KananKrus]

It may now seem apparent that Derrick Wilson's upset of Huerta is more the case of him being lucky, and Huerta just plainly being careless. A rematch should settle this, and so shall establish if any or both are indeed promising prospects or but the lowly "gatekeeper/s" of this sport.

On the Daniel Jacobs, what impressed me most when I first saw this fighter was his tenacity. He had an above average power that in the square ring he delivered non-stop! Tremenduous volume. It is the kind that overwhelms and wins through accumulation, it is though, not the one-punch, lights out, KO variety.

One need not guess, that his style is firmly based on cardio-work, the kind of sweat effort accomplished in many, many hours in the gym. This is a dedication that brings with it much success at its glorious end when religiously pursued, but equally, with tragic consequences when abandoned.

That said, I guess as he stepped up in class with the oppostion, he no longer had the ability to outwork them. Glaringly, his lack of KO power had exposed him to difficult situations, hard battles, the stuff that gets you old in a hurry, and sometimes even before you get to that breakthrough fight. He needs his game to step up too, save himself some wear and tear. With his talent, he should not experience difficulties in the ring unless it is within the very top tier of his weight class!

IMHO. He is in dire need of that special dedication, I'm afraid, the one that he probably do not possess.

[JazMerkin]

On the Daniel Jacobs, what impressed me most when I first saw this fighter was his tenacity. He had an above average power that in the square ring he delivered non-stop! Tremenduous volume. It is the kind that overwhelms and wins through accumulation, it is though, not the one-punch, lights out, KO variety.

One need not guess, that his style is firmly based on cardio-work, the kind of sweat effort accomplished in many, many hours in the gym. This is a dedication that brings with it much success at its glorious end when religiously pursued, but equally, with tragic consequences when abandoned.

That said, I guess as he stepped up in class with the oppostion, he no longer had the ability to outwork them. Glaringly, his lack of KO power had exposed him to difficult situations, hard battles, the stuff that gets you old in a hurry, and sometimes even before you get to that breakthrough fight. He needs his game to step up too, save himself some wear and tear. With his talent, he should not experience difficulties in the ring unless it is within the very top tier of his weight class!

IMHO. He is in dire need of that special dedication, I'm afraid, the one that he probably do not possess.

I don't know what you've been seeing of Jacobs to suggest he's feather-fisted. Both Michael Walker & Ishe Smith, who were his step-ups, had never been stopped before, and Jacobs was certainly able to hurt Walker, because I was there live to see him do it. He also stopped George Walton who is a tough motherfucker. In addition, he has great dedication. Anyone who keeps themselves in the shape he does and who fights as regularly as he tries to (aside from the hand injury he incurred against Smith). I pretty much think every single statement you've made on Jacobs is just not true. He wasn't voted prospect of the year last year because of all the things you saw.

I don't know if he's been mentioned or not here but I like Edwin Rodriguez.

Edwin Rodriguez - Boxer

He was on fnf last week.

He's got a great amatuer pedigree and he looks to make the fight happen in the fight.

I agree about Derrick Wilson he looked so impressive and wild against Huerta and then he just couldn't crack the code of deLeon which Huerta in turn beat, but it wasn't easy. What may happen here is a rematch of Huerta and Wilson, which would say a lot about that first night.

Damn you Greg, he was going to be my next choice, always a step ahead

Rodriguez is indeed very good, like you say has a solid amateur background, and from what I've seen in interviews he comes across as a really likeable guy. Like a lot of these guys he has a really good (ie bad) backstory, I may be mistaken but I believe his daughter was on life-support for about a year.

I was really impressed by his work against Darnell Boone (who is always a potential banana skin) and his KO of Armenta was especially impressive when you think of how tough a test it was expected to be. He's hopefully back on FNF on 30th April I believe.

I couldn't find the Armenta fight, but I got this for his fight with Marcus Upshaw.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...56016374671821

Here's an interview with him prior to the Armenta fight, just so people can see that he is indeed a very likeable dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l21IGzf8At8

I have to say that the Middleweight division is going to be majorly hot in the next 1-2 years with Rodriguez, Jacobs, Fernando Guerrero, Peter Quillin and Matt Korobov all potentially coming through.

[killersheep]

It may now seem apparent that Derrick Wilson's upset of Huerta is more the case of him being lucky, and Huerta just plainly being careless.

You should watch his fight from last night against Ochoa, there are some really deceiving things on Wilson's record already.

1. Guadalupe deLeon is much better than his record shows, he has been losing because he has been fighting some of the highest touted American and Mexican prospects as the challenger, he is getting no favors on the cards.

2. His Ochoa fight was a draw. That was absolute BS he was having his was with Ochoa in fact the only round that you could even make an argument for Ochoa winning was the final round.

Wilson is very wild, but he showed more focus and restraint and his reward for showing more discipline? A shady draw decision.

I wouldn't close the door on him yet, he still has a ton of potential, he has reasonable power in both hands and his reaction times are great. A few years of solid training and he could be doing some real damage.

[JazMerkin]

It may now seem apparent that Derrick Wilson's upset of Huerta is more the case of him being lucky, and Huerta just plainly being careless.

You should watch his fight from last night against Ochoa, there are some really deceiving things on Wilson's record already.

1. Guadalupe deLeon is much better than his record shows, he has been losing because he has been fighting some of the highest touted American and Mexican prospects as the challenger, he is getting no favors on the cards.

2. His Ochoa fight was a draw. That was absolute BS he was having his was with Ochoa in fact the only round that you could even make an argument for Ochoa winning was the final round.

Wilson is very wild, but he showed more focus and restraint and his reward for showing more discipline? A shady draw decision.

I wouldn't close the door on him yet, he still has a ton of potential, he has reasonable power in both hands and his reaction times are great. A few years of solid training and he could be doing some real damage.

Agreed on all of that. I think Wilson does end up as a gatekeeper, largely because he's not a big enough prospect to get the breaks you need on the way up, but no way did Ochoa draw that fight. I watched the replay this morning & I couldn't believe it. I agree on DeLeon, I think in fact they should be pushing Wilson into 6 rounders, because I think he would have won or at worst drawn that one had it been 6.

[killersheep]

It may now seem apparent that Derrick Wilson's upset of Huerta is more the case of him being lucky, and Huerta just plainly being careless.

You should watch his fight from last night against Ochoa, there are some really deceiving things on Wilson's record already.

1. Guadalupe deLeon is much better than his record shows, he has been losing because he has been fighting some of the highest touted American and Mexican prospects as the challenger, he is getting no favors on the cards.

2. His Ochoa fight was a draw. That was absolute BS he was having his was with Ochoa in fact the only round that you could even make an argument for Ochoa winning was the final round.

Wilson is very wild, but he showed more focus and restraint and his reward for showing more discipline? A shady draw decision.

I wouldn't close the door on him yet, he still has a ton of potential, he has reasonable power in both hands and his reaction times are great. A few years of solid training and he could be doing some real damage.

Agreed on all of that. I think Wilson does end up as a gatekeeper, largely because he's not a big enough prospect to get the breaks you need on the way up, but no way did Ochoa draw that fight. I watched the replay this morning & I couldn't believe it. I agree on DeLeon, I think in fact they should be pushing Wilson into 6 rounders, because I think he would have won or at worst drawn that one had it been 6.

He could end up being the next generation of Emmanuel Augustus, not in style, but in his role in the boxing world.

[JazMerkin]

I thought I'd bump my old thread to talk about a guy who I've not seen discussed, but who I genuinely feel is a future multi-weight world champ. He's called Thomas Dulorme and he really reminds me of something between a young Tommy Hearns and LW Sugar Shane. He's very tall for a 140lber at 5'10 and has good speed & great power. I think he's Puerto Rican, but he's really something & I can see him taking over this division soon.

I'm more excited about him than I've been in absolutely years. I was hyped on Broner off his technical abilities, but this guy has got all the intangibles. He's apparently facing DeMarcus Corley next in only his 12th fight. Anyway here's some vids & I'd appreciate any more info on this guy from those in PR or who've seen more of him in the US.