Abraham - Dirrell fight thread

[Truth]

I agree with your points about confusion. I just cant EVER think of a situation where an athlete had energy like Dirrell did after a serious head injury.

[Truth]

I agree with you 100% CFH about people responding differently to head injuries. However it is my opinion that it was not a coincidence that Dirrell's beaviour was out of the norm. I believe the reason his behaviour was out of the norm was that he simply didn't wan any more of AA.

[Truth]

I also believe it'd be hard for this KO to be deemed more serious than the Taylor one as Jermain was posturing (hands held up/ legs straight after he'd been KO'd shows a disconnect between the body and the brain) as a result of the trauma

[CFH]

I agree with your points about confusion. I just cant EVER think of a situation where an athlete had energy like Dirrell did after a serious head injury.

I agree with you 100% CFH about people responding differently to head injuries. However it is my opinion that it was not a coincidence that Dirrell's beaviour was out of the norm. I believe the reason his behaviour was out of the norm was that he simply didn't wan any more of AA.

I disagree. He was beating Abraham handily and while Abraham was picking it up, Dirrell had already shown that he could take his best shots and keep coming.

As an anecdotal story about head injuries and energy etc., when I was about 10-12 I was playing baseball with some friends and slid head first into the cinderblock we were using for home plate because I misjudged the distance (ghetto, I know). I got up and felt fine aside from a mild headache and was full of energy for the rest of the game. As I was walking home about 10-15 minutes later, I basically collapsed from sudden nauseating head pain and dizziness and had to crawl home, which luckily was not far away. I called my mom and she rushed home and took me to a clinic where i was diagnosed with an amnesia-concussion (or something like that) because I could not remember anything after I hit my head until I collapsed on the way home. So the reactions to such injuries are not uniform and can be quite unpredictable in my experience at least.

[No Contest]

You can have energy after a knockout..you dont have to be lethargic....stupid asses. Abraham is a sore loser....calling Dirrell an actor, he knows he got outboxed. He would have gotten away with that shit in Germany probably.

[Majesty]

All I'm saying is I have never seen the yelling and bouncing around that Dirrell was doing when he's going "let me breathe let me breathe". I've never seen this from any athlete who's suffered a head injury before. Logically if you had just been KO'd you would be subdued and a bit lost you wouldn't have energy to be doing stuff like that.

People react to head injuries differently.

It was a hard uppercut that spun his head around and he was disoriented after the fight.

The fact some people are trying to state that Dirrell faked all of that simply to get out of going another round with Abraham or that he wanted no more of him need to really step back and see what they are doing. They are trying to give Abraham some sort of credit even though he lost.

There are certain lines you just should never cross because a fighter you like lost. Calling Dirrell an actor saying he was faking his disorientness and the whole scene after the fight where he was asking if the "speaker man" was there when it was Jim Gray, to say all that is faked just cause he didn't wanna fight Abraham is not only stupid, its incredibly biased. I can understand if you're an Abraham fan but there comes a point where you stop trying to give someone credit or an excuse and just admit they win. Dirrell could be seriously injured, now is not the time to be trying to give ups to your fighter who disgraced himself, and the sport with his post fight antics.

[Mad_Dog]

now that stupid, take it from someone who has blacked out after being kicked in the head. I got up lighting quick but I saw other peoples faces where they did not belong. He was not acting, he did not fear AA. AA acted like a punk afterwards.

[Majesty]

now that stupid, take it from someone who has blacked out after being kicked in the head. I got up lighting quick but I saw other peoples faces where they did not belong. He was not acting, he did not fear AA. AA acted like a punk afterwards.

This. it was a disgrace.

Boxing is back in the media eye and on a night a UFC PPV happened, and the night before Wrestlemania, and those not tuning in are watching this fight and tournament.and what does he do? Not only does he get disqualified.. but he shows no remorse after, he calls Dirrell a actor not a boxer.

Yeah he acted his way upside your head for 10 rounds. People are trying to say Dirrell had to cheat to win and pretend? News Flash! Whether you believe he acted or not(I do not think he did) Abraham was the one who wailed back and hit him while he was down, so to call Dirrell a cheater and ignore Abraham cause people try to big him up is just idiotic.

[gest12645]

It kinda looked like an acting game at the part of Dirrell at first, but looking at the replays and how he thought he actually lost the fight, I dont think he was acting all that much. Anyways Dirrell was dominating most of the time but then there was I couple of time he looked shaky. A rematch would be great but obviously won't happen. I'd still give AA a good shot at winning this if he was on top of his game.

btw, I just came back from the fight from JoeLA, wow, it was a good time, I met Tarver and my buddy took a picture of me and him. Well, he thought he took a picture but the drunk a** was shooting a video clip. Lol Anyways, it was a fun night out.

[DC Amateur Boxing]

Ok, so I heard about this and then saw the foul and my immediate reaction was that Dirrell was faking and took advantage of the foul, but then I heard the audio and watched this and he was NOT faking. He slipped on a damn logo on the apron and took a dirty shot which was a hard shot. Abraham was trying to do damage. I think the problem I had with it is that immediately after the shot, he has a look of disgust on his face, but I think that was because he was trying to shake it off for a split second - then the effects caught up. Doesn't take the brain long to go from on to off. But if he was faking, he was taking a hell of a risk because he had to calculate that although he was doing well up to that point, the ref would call it a foul and he would win by DQ --- all in a millisecond before he layed down. Not only is he a great actor if he was faking but his whole camp is too. They were pissed and they were fooled by him too if that's the case. He first complained about his asthma, then asks if he was knocked out, then says that he'll finish the fight and a bunch of other statements that make no sense. No one is that good at acting like they are completely out of it. All of you guys saying he's faking need to get on your knees and let Arther Abraham punch you in the side of the head and then see how coherent you are. Add in the lack of oxygen if he was having asthma issues and see if what comes out of your mouth makes sense.

I don't even care if he is faking. AA deserve to lose for that bonehead move. That's what he gets.

YouTube - Super Six, Andre Dirrell & Arthur Abraham - DAS BÖSE ENDE 28.03.2010

[Gandalf]

I've had time to digest everything, and yeah, Abraham screwed up big time by hitting a man on the floor. You just don't do that. He was desperate and lost control and thus paid the penalty. I like to mock Dirrell, but he obviously got hit in a nasty place and wasn't all there. I hope he recovers well.

I think in a rematch Abraham starts a little quicker and gets to Dirrell sooner, but that is neither here nor there. Dirrell has the win and the tournament tightens up some more. You have to give credit to Dirrell for sticking with the gameplan for 8 rounds, but I really sensed him wilting down the stretch. It's just frustrating to have a fight end in such a way. Not good.

[ono]

Dirrell is a shithouse.

He did hit him on the floor. It was a solid-ish shot, no different from what Dirrell had absorbed throughout the fight.

He looked at Abraham to say 'wtf' then dramatically fell to the floor. How anyone can defend what he's done is beyond me.

I'm not buying all the 'he was delusional after the fight' shite aswell. 100% play acting.

[GAME]

Yeah Im relieved this morning that I havent woken up to the news that Direll has suffered overnight and his condition got worse. I still think he was acting though because everyone kept telling him he won but he didnt listen. It was as if he was overacting and thought he had to stick with it. Silly moves like Abs but he probably though Direll would get on with it like other fighters do when they are hit when they are down.

Jones - Griffin is the only other example I can think of where the winner saw an opportunity to end another guys unbeaten run with a DQ win. We know what happend in that return.

[ninjaspy3]

Yeah Im relieved this morning that I havent woken up to the news that Direll has suffered overnight and his condition got worse. I still think he was acting though because everyone kept telling him he won but he didnt listen. It was as if he was overacting and thought he had to stick with it. Silly moves like Abs but he probably though Direll would get on with it like other fighters do when they are hit when they are down.

Jones - Griffin is the only other example I can think of where the winner saw an opportunity to end another guys unbeaten run with a DQ win. We know what happend in that return.

Every case is unique. And again, it is not Dirrell's fault Abraham got DQ'd. That is Abraham's fault. The DQ was justified. If you want to argue about how hard Dirrell was actually hit and if he was faking or not, you should try taking that shot from Abaham after almost 11 rounds of boxing, and see how much better you would do.

I think you just just hate Dirrell and would be making negative posts about him even if Dirrell had ended up winning on points (which as we all saw was a very likely outcome). Then you would say "Oh, he ran too much. He should have stood his ground more so Abraham could KO him."

[GAME]

Yeah Im relieved this morning that I havent woken up to the news that Direll has suffered overnight and his condition got worse. I still think he was acting though because everyone kept telling him he won but he didnt listen. It was as if he was overacting and thought he had to stick with it. Silly moves like Abs but he probably though Direll would get on with it like other fighters do when they are hit when they are down.

Jones - Griffin is the only other example I can think of where the winner saw an opportunity to end another guys unbeaten run with a DQ win. We know what happend in that return.

Every case is unique. And again, it is not Dirrell's fault Abraham got DQ'd. That is Abraham's fault. The DQ was justified. If you want to argue about how hard Dirrell was actually hit and if he was faking or not, you should try taking that shot from Abaham after almost 11 rounds of boxing, and see how much better you would do.

I think you just just hate Dirrell and would be making negative posts about him even if Dirrell had ended up winning on points (which as we all saw was a very likely outcome). Then you would say "Oh, he ran too much. He should have stood his ground more so Abraham could KO him."

Easy for you to label anyone who disagrees with you as a hater but my opinion was that he was acting. He didnt want the doc to look into his eyes and he said he didnt take the cowards way out and thats what started him crying. Someone must have called him a coward ringside so he got upset and stuck with it.