How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

[KingRome]

How are the Klitschkos perhaps the 2 most athletic heavyweights? Around what, boxing you mean? I'm talking about agility, speed, movement, flexibility, etc. MMA has guys who are NCAA All American wrestlers. Successful heavyweight wrestlers have to be truly athletic. A lot of these guys can do a backflip from their feet, do a gramby roll from their feet, throw a guy in a suplex, etc. I am a very big wrestling fan, real wrestling, and I see real athleticism like lightweights coming from heavyweights.

Sorry but in the actual HW, I challenge you to find me one guy who,s much more athletics than the K brothers; they are tall, strong and there is no fat on these frames for sure. Now are they good to throw peoples on the mat and to work them on the floor, we don't know as we've not seen them but one thing for sure, as for athletics, they friggin are. I know Vitali used to be kick boxing champion so I guess he has good flexibility and can land nice and powerful kicks if needed so he must not only have a good physics but must be a bit more than a slow one so to speak. as or Wlad, I am certain that he has not only a good physics but coul learn how to use his size to control somebody on the mat, not saying he would the best ever but if Toney, Mercer or botha can do something off the MMA, i am 100% positive that there is no reasons why the Klitschkos couldn't do something decent too.

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.


as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

[Kev]

Sorry but in the actual HW, I challenge you to find me one guy who,s much more athletics than the K brothers; they are tall, strong and there is no fat on these frames for sure. Now are they good to throw peoples on the mat and to work them on the floor, we don't know as we've not seen them but one thing for sure, as for athletics, they friggin are. I know Vitali used to be kick boxing champion so I guess he has good flexibility and can land nice and powerful kicks if needed so he must not only have a good physics but must be a bit more than a slow one so to speak. as or Wlad, I am certain that he has not only a good physics but coul learn how to use his size to control somebody on the mat, not saying he would the best ever but if Toney, Mercer or botha can do something off the MMA, i am 100% positive that there is no reasons why the Klitschkos couldn't do something decent too.

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.


as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

Clearly you didn't see MMA evolve from the beginning. To start with it was pure boxers, pure wrestlers, pure ju jitszu guys, the boxers consistently did worse than all other disciplines. Admittedly there were no elite boxing guys fighting but it is abundantly clear that as a skill set appropriate for real fighting boxing is not as effective as most others.

It was the Ju Jitsu guys that dominated, Royce Gracie who dominated the early history of the UFC and then along came bigger wrestlers and shoot fighters who for a while owned the sport, Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn spring to mind.

If boxers could have transitioned easily to the sport a lot of B grade boxers would have come over and cleaned up, but they couldn't, and that was from the beginning.

Now MMA has evolved to the point where you have to have so many skills to rule the divisions.

Back on topic, I think the Klitschko's would likely have some success, their stand ups would be pretty devastating and I doubt with even with only limited training in the other aspects that they would be easy to take to the ground. A lot of fighters would be flat out intimidated by them.

But they would have too many holes in their game to win consistently, although I'd imagine they would be able to immediately make an impact.

But as MMA encompasses all styles it's easier for a boxer to transition to MMA, because he retains the value of his experience and skillset for an MMA fighter to move to boxing because virtually all they have learnt and practised is not allowed in boxing.

All they would have is their striking skills, honed in MMA gloves which are completely different to boxing, and as they only spend maybe 30% of their time on striking considering everything else they have to learn clearly they would not be able to match up to those who do striking exlusively.

As a real world skillset I'd far rather be an elite MMA star though, they would be much more handy in a real fight.

[KingRome]

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.


as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

Clearly you didn't see MMA evolve from the beginning. To start with it was pure boxers, pure wrestlers, pure ju jitszu guys, the boxers consistently did worse than all other disciplines. Admittedly there were no elite boxing guys fighting but it is abundantly clear that as a skill set appropriate for real fighting boxing is not as effective as most others.

It was the Ju Jitsu guys that dominated, Royce Gracie who dominated the early history of the UFC and then along came bigger wrestlers and shoot fighters who for a while owned the sport, Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn spring to mind.

If boxers could have transitioned easily to the sport a lot of B grade boxers would have come over and cleaned up, but they couldn't, and that was from the beginning.

Now MMA has evolved to the point where you have to have so many skills to rule the divisions.

Back on topic, I think the Klitschko's would likely have some success, their stand ups would be pretty devastating and I doubt with even with only limited training in the other aspects that they would be easy to take to the ground. A lot of fighters would be flat out intimidated by them.

But they would have too many holes in their game to win consistently, although I'd imagine they would be able to immediately make an impact.

But as MMA encompasses all styles it's easier for a boxer to transition to MMA, because he retains the value of his experience and skillset for an MMA fighter to move to boxing because virtually all they have learnt and practised is not allowed in boxing.

All they would have is their striking skills, honed in MMA gloves which are completely different to boxing, and as they only spend maybe 30% of their time on striking considering everything else they have to learn clearly they would not be able to match up to those who do striking exlusively.

As a real world skillset I'd far rather be an elite MMA star though, they would be much more handy in a real fight.

Okay well I'm glad to see you expend a little, i do agree with a lot of what you have to say. Their fundamentals would give them a huge advantage, and the rest would just depend on how hard they are willing to train and how well they learn the ground game. I would love to see both of them enter the octago... maybe i should call bully beat down and tell them Klitchkos have been harassing me haha..

[blegit]

Sorry but in the actual HW, I challenge you to find me one guy who,s much more athletics than the K brothers; they are tall, strong and there is no fat on these frames for sure. Now are they good to throw peoples on the mat and to work them on the floor, we don't know as we've not seen them but one thing for sure, as for athletics, they friggin are. I know Vitali used to be kick boxing champion so I guess he has good flexibility and can land nice and powerful kicks if needed so he must not only have a good physics but must be a bit more than a slow one so to speak. as or Wlad, I am certain that he has not only a good physics but coul learn how to use his size to control somebody on the mat, not saying he would the best ever but if Toney, Mercer or botha can do something off the MMA, i am 100% positive that there is no reasons why the Klitschkos couldn't do something decent too.

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.


as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

Brother, you obviously missed the point. We were not talking about boxing. We were comparing the Klitschkos "athleticism" to other heavyweights of the world. Not Lebron boxing Wladimir. How is Lesnar a fat slob? You must not be in the right state of mind towards Lesnar because your comments are hilariously off. I am going to choose not to read into it.

[KingRome]

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.


as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

Brother, you obviously missed the point. We were not talking about boxing. We were comparing the Klitschkos "athleticism" to other heavyweights of the world. Not Lebron boxing Wladimir. How is Lesnar a fat slob? You must not be in the right state of mind towards Lesnar because your comments are hilariously off. I am going to choose not to read into it.

brother YOU have clearly missed the point, because we are talking about Klitchkos, MMA, and their possible impact. How am I not in the right state of mind? Lesnar is nothing short of an Neanderthal. i don't see any skills in him, sorry maybe I'm blind.

[blegit]

You were dipping in Nameless and my conversation and then responded to a part of it. We were talking about athleticism. Nothing more. You misunderstood. I'm sure no one is comparing Lebron to any boxer in the boxing ring. We were comparing the Klitshkos athleticism to other heavyweights in any sport. Only the "athleticism" aspect. Not the thread title.