How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

[KingRome]

How are the Klitschkos perhaps the 2 most athletic heavyweights? Around what, boxing you mean? I'm talking about agility, speed, movement, flexibility, etc. MMA has guys who are NCAA All American wrestlers. Successful heavyweight wrestlers have to be truly athletic. A lot of these guys can do a backflip from their feet, do a gramby roll from their feet, throw a guy in a suplex, etc. I am a very big wrestling fan, real wrestling, and I see real athleticism like lightweights coming from heavyweights.

Sorry but in the actual HW, I challenge you to find me one guy who,s much more athletics than the K brothers; they are tall, strong and there is no fat on these frames for sure. Now are they good to throw peoples on the mat and to work them on the floor, we don't know as we've not seen them but one thing for sure, as for athletics, they friggin are. I know Vitali used to be kick boxing champion so I guess he has good flexibility and can land nice and powerful kicks if needed so he must not only have a good physics but must be a bit more than a slow one so to speak. as or Wlad, I am certain that he has not only a good physics but coul learn how to use his size to control somebody on the mat, not saying he would the best ever but if Toney, Mercer or botha can do something off the MMA, i am 100% positive that there is no reasons why the Klitschkos couldn't do something decent too.

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.


as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

[Kev]

Sorry but in the actual HW, I challenge you to find me one guy who,s much more athletics than the K brothers; they are tall, strong and there is no fat on these frames for sure. Now are they good to throw peoples on the mat and to work them on the floor, we don't know as we've not seen them but one thing for sure, as for athletics, they friggin are. I know Vitali used to be kick boxing champion so I guess he has good flexibility and can land nice and powerful kicks if needed so he must not only have a good physics but must be a bit more than a slow one so to speak. as or Wlad, I am certain that he has not only a good physics but coul learn how to use his size to control somebody on the mat, not saying he would the best ever but if Toney, Mercer or botha can do something off the MMA, i am 100% positive that there is no reasons why the Klitschkos couldn't do something decent too.

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.


as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

Clearly you didn't see MMA evolve from the beginning. To start with it was pure boxers, pure wrestlers, pure ju jitszu guys, the boxers consistently did worse than all other disciplines. Admittedly there were no elite boxing guys fighting but it is abundantly clear that as a skill set appropriate for real fighting boxing is not as effective as most others.

It was the Ju Jitsu guys that dominated, Royce Gracie who dominated the early history of the UFC and then along came bigger wrestlers and shoot fighters who for a while owned the sport, Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn spring to mind.

If boxers could have transitioned easily to the sport a lot of B grade boxers would have come over and cleaned up, but they couldn't, and that was from the beginning.

Now MMA has evolved to the point where you have to have so many skills to rule the divisions.

Back on topic, I think the Klitschko's would likely have some success, their stand ups would be pretty devastating and I doubt with even with only limited training in the other aspects that they would be easy to take to the ground. A lot of fighters would be flat out intimidated by them.

But they would have too many holes in their game to win consistently, although I'd imagine they would be able to immediately make an impact.

But as MMA encompasses all styles it's easier for a boxer to transition to MMA, because he retains the value of his experience and skillset for an MMA fighter to move to boxing because virtually all they have learnt and practised is not allowed in boxing.

All they would have is their striking skills, honed in MMA gloves which are completely different to boxing, and as they only spend maybe 30% of their time on striking considering everything else they have to learn clearly they would not be able to match up to those who do striking exlusively.

As a real world skillset I'd far rather be an elite MMA star though, they would be much more handy in a real fight.

[KingRome]

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.


as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

Clearly you didn't see MMA evolve from the beginning. To start with it was pure boxers, pure wrestlers, pure ju jitszu guys, the boxers consistently did worse than all other disciplines. Admittedly there were no elite boxing guys fighting but it is abundantly clear that as a skill set appropriate for real fighting boxing is not as effective as most others.

It was the Ju Jitsu guys that dominated, Royce Gracie who dominated the early history of the UFC and then along came bigger wrestlers and shoot fighters who for a while owned the sport, Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn spring to mind.

If boxers could have transitioned easily to the sport a lot of B grade boxers would have come over and cleaned up, but they couldn't, and that was from the beginning.

Now MMA has evolved to the point where you have to have so many skills to rule the divisions.

Back on topic, I think the Klitschko's would likely have some success, their stand ups would be pretty devastating and I doubt with even with only limited training in the other aspects that they would be easy to take to the ground. A lot of fighters would be flat out intimidated by them.

But they would have too many holes in their game to win consistently, although I'd imagine they would be able to immediately make an impact.

But as MMA encompasses all styles it's easier for a boxer to transition to MMA, because he retains the value of his experience and skillset for an MMA fighter to move to boxing because virtually all they have learnt and practised is not allowed in boxing.

All they would have is their striking skills, honed in MMA gloves which are completely different to boxing, and as they only spend maybe 30% of their time on striking considering everything else they have to learn clearly they would not be able to match up to those who do striking exlusively.

As a real world skillset I'd far rather be an elite MMA star though, they would be much more handy in a real fight.

Okay well I'm glad to see you expend a little, i do agree with a lot of what you have to say. Their fundamentals would give them a huge advantage, and the rest would just depend on how hard they are willing to train and how well they learn the ground game. I would love to see both of them enter the octago... maybe i should call bully beat down and tell them Klitchkos have been harassing me haha..

[blegit]

Sorry but in the actual HW, I challenge you to find me one guy who,s much more athletics than the K brothers; they are tall, strong and there is no fat on these frames for sure. Now are they good to throw peoples on the mat and to work them on the floor, we don't know as we've not seen them but one thing for sure, as for athletics, they friggin are. I know Vitali used to be kick boxing champion so I guess he has good flexibility and can land nice and powerful kicks if needed so he must not only have a good physics but must be a bit more than a slow one so to speak. as or Wlad, I am certain that he has not only a good physics but coul learn how to use his size to control somebody on the mat, not saying he would the best ever but if Toney, Mercer or botha can do something off the MMA, i am 100% positive that there is no reasons why the Klitschkos couldn't do something decent too.

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.


as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

Brother, you obviously missed the point. We were not talking about boxing. We were comparing the Klitschkos "athleticism" to other heavyweights of the world. Not Lebron boxing Wladimir. How is Lesnar a fat slob? You must not be in the right state of mind towards Lesnar because your comments are hilariously off. I am going to choose not to read into it.

[KingRome]

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.


as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

Brother, you obviously missed the point. We were not talking about boxing. We were comparing the Klitschkos "athleticism" to other heavyweights of the world. Not Lebron boxing Wladimir. How is Lesnar a fat slob? You must not be in the right state of mind towards Lesnar because your comments are hilariously off. I am going to choose not to read into it.

brother YOU have clearly missed the point, because we are talking about Klitchkos, MMA, and their possible impact. How am I not in the right state of mind? Lesnar is nothing short of an Neanderthal. i don't see any skills in him, sorry maybe I'm blind.

[blegit]

You were dipping in Nameless and my conversation and then responded to a part of it. We were talking about athleticism. Nothing more. You misunderstood. I'm sure no one is comparing Lebron to any boxer in the boxing ring. We were comparing the Klitshkos athleticism to other heavyweights in any sport. Only the "athleticism" aspect. Not the thread title.

[Nameless]

How are the Klitschkos perhaps the 2 most athletic heavyweights? Around what, boxing you mean? I'm talking about agility, speed, movement, flexibility, etc. MMA has guys who are NCAA All American wrestlers. Successful heavyweight wrestlers have to be truly athletic. A lot of these guys can do a backflip from their feet, do a gramby roll from their feet, throw a guy in a suplex, etc. I am a very big wrestling fan, real wrestling, and I see real athleticism like lightweights coming from heavyweights.

Sorry but in the actual HW, I challenge you to find me one guy who,s much more athletics than the K brothers; they are tall, strong and there is no fat on these frames for sure. Now are they good to throw peoples on the mat and to work them on the floor, we don't know as we've not seen them but one thing for sure, as for athletics, they friggin are. I know Vitali used to be kick boxing champion so I guess he has good flexibility and can land nice and powerful kicks if needed so he must not only have a good physics but must be a bit more than a slow one so to speak. as or Wlad, I am certain that he has not only a good physics but coul learn how to use his size to control somebody on the mat, not saying he would the best ever but if Toney, Mercer or botha can do something off the MMA, i am 100% positive that there is no reasons why the Klitschkos couldn't do something decent too.

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

First, I talked HW in boxing, you'Re giving me a shitlist of other athletes. Body wise, if you look at how they are built, the K are built much better than every other athletes you just names, Lebron doesn't pack half of their power and I don't see any reasons why magically he would be so much better than them neither on the stand up (which is ludicrous) and neither on the mat.

Second, LEsnar is quite fatter than the Klitschko, body-wise, he's not more athletics, he's better at wrestling because it's what he did all his life but his stand-up is quite shit and the day he'll get a good brawler in his trail he might be killed.

Third, you're mixing 2 things: athletic qualities and being good on the mat. the K are damn athletics but probably at the moment not good on the mat because they never practiced it. Give let's say 2 years to Wlad to intensively learn the ground game and I see no reasons why Slice, much smaller, no chin and a very mediocre boxing could even get close to him and it would be the same for a lot of HW. Athletics capacities and ground game are different things and I know K don't have ground game because they never practiced it. The power and body though, it's all another thing...

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

How do you think Klitchko brothers would do in the MMA?

Ughhh... This question. Really?

Jesus...

-From every person that has ever spoken to me about boxing that really isn't a fan-

"How do you think [ADD BOXER'S NAME HERE] would do in MMA?"

It's exhausting.

[aliceodds]

Vitali Klitschko was fighting in kickboxing a few years ago. He was even defeated by a Polish kickboxer Przemyslaw Saleta - but after a few years he would for sure declass Saleta on boxing ring.
I think If he was younger he would have some chances in MMA - now he is too old.

[Beanflicker]

Perhaps, but you have to take into account that there are 40 year old MMA fighters. Also, if Brock Lesnar, a 300 pound slob could go from WWE to a UFC champion, I guarantee Klitchko's chances would be much better than his.

Well the problem with this theory is a) Lesnar is 300lbs of muscle and a tremendous athlete and about as far from a "slob" as you can find, and b) he was a highly decorated amateur wrestler. For those not familiar with MMA, wrestling is ideally the best base to start off in MMA, because in theory you can control where the fight takes place (if you want it standing, you use your wrestling to stop a guy from taking you down. If you want it on the ground, you take him down).

The Klitschko's could both do fantastic in MMA potentially. Both are superb athletes with extremely educated hands and dangerous standup. Vitali especially because of his kickboxing background. The question is, are they willing to put boxing aside and train with a legit MMA camp full time, and learn how to avoid takedowns and how to defend/mount offense off their backs.

[El Kabong]

Ughhh... This question. Really?

Jesus...

-From every person that has ever spoken to me about boxing that really isn't a fan-

"How do you think [ADD BOXER'S NAME HERE] would do in MMA?"

It's exhausting.

Well actually wen he was younger Vitali would do just as good as someone like Alistar Overeem (perhaps better perhaps worse). Vitali was a world class kickboxer before he focused in 100% on boxing which is why his stance and fighting style are so strange.

With Wladimir it would depend...if Wlad hits you with a 4 oz. glove I don't care who the hell you are, you're done, but could Wlad avoid a takedown? Could he wrestle? Could he avoid kicks? I doubt it. Wlad is a perfect technical boxer, but that would hurt him in MMA because he stands up tall and that pushes his center of gravity higher therefore making it easier to take him down/topple him over.

I think in MMA it's actually an advantage to be shorter and have a lower center of gravity ESPECIALLY if you don't kick. To do quality wrestling moves and make yourself a smaller target would seem to be an advantage in MMA....just my opinion.

MMA could spawn some decent boxers, but I think it's far easier to "expand your game" (move from strict rules BOXING to loose rules MMA) than to narrow your view of fighting....but that's just my opinion

[Mar]

They'd get mopped like any other boxer would. This is actually (no offense to anyone) a silly question. They probably wouldn't be very good at tennis either...who gives a crap. They box. These two sports aren't even the same thing. Next people will ask how andre berto would do in kickboxing.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

They'd get mopped like any other boxer would. This is actually (no offense to anyone) a silly question. They probably wouldn't be very good at tennis either...who gives a crap. They box. These two sports aren't even the same thing. Next people will ask how andre berto would do in kickboxing.

That's basically what I wrote. I agree whole heartedly. The question is always posed to a boxing fan by either MMA fans or fans of neither. I normally get it about Tyson and my answer is always the same... "It's like asking how Tom Brady would do pitching for the Sox. It's ridiculous..."

[Caine3078]

The Kilts would get destroyed in a MMA fight with top MMA Heavyweights. To the person who keeps talking crazy about Lesnar being in the fake WWE you must not know much about him. Lesnar was an All-American wrestler in college, I mean dude was a BEAST. Wrestling is probably the best BASE to have in MMA. Also for you to say a boxer would kill a wrestler in MMA also shows you little knowledge of MMA. If you can't keep the fight on the feet your boxing means NOTHING.. Even standing I think WLAD would get KO'd. MMA fights are with 4oz gloves not 8oz like boxing. WLAD gets touched on that chin by an elite Heavyweight striker like Junior Dos Santos or Shane Carwin (and many more) he's going down hard.

[eagle]

The Kilts would get destroyed in a MMA fight with top MMA Heavyweights. To the person who keeps talking crazy about Lesnar being in the fake WWE you must not know much about him. Lesnar was an All-American wrestler in college, I mean dude was a BEAST. Wrestling is probably the best BASE to have in MMA. Also for you to say a boxer would kill a wrestler in MMA also shows you little knowledge of MMA. If you can't keep the fight on the feet your boxing means NOTHING.. Even standing I think WLAD would get KO'd. MMA fights are with 4oz gloves not 8oz like boxing. WLAD gets touched on that chin by an elite Heavyweight striker like Junior Dos Santos or Shane Carwin (and many more) he's going down hard.

While I agree with u that a pure boxer like Wlad would no do that well in MMA hse days, to say someone like Dos Santos or Carwin would easily beat Wlad in pure stand up boxing is stupid. Wlad would have more skills, equal or better power, and better reach than any of those guys. A boxer is good no matter what size the gloves. And WLad 1 punch KOs uys with full size gloves so imagine what he'd do in a pair of MMA gloves.