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    Default What are the grounds for DQ?

    The reason I ask:

    In Cotto versus Margarito, Cotto took a knee and Margarito landed a brutal shot to his head. Cotto was clearly down and it was what I would call a blatant foul. No call though.

    What is the difference between that very obvious hit that was a "no call," and the AA hit on Dirrell?

    Is it because Dirrell went for the oscar and not the points win?
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    Default Re: What are the grounds for DQ?

    I honestly don't recall the punch Margarito landed on Cotto while he was down, but in the case of Abraham against Dirrell it was just so clearly meditated upon, Dirrell was on his knee for a good second or two, you could see Abraham deliberate throwing a punch, hesitate further, and then decide to indeed clock him with the other hand. It had to be a DQ, I can't believe there is so much debate about it.

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    Default Re: What are the grounds for DQ?

    It must have been called a DQ because of Dirrell's reaction. There's literally dozens of examples of fighters getting punched on the floor with no action taken or at most a point deduction.

    In recent times...

    Berto-Rodriguez (ironically the ref was Laurence Cole, he did nothing)
    Barrera-Marquez
    Oscar-Mayorga
    Naz-Kelly
    Haye-Barrett

    This would be endless.
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    Default Re: What are the grounds for DQ?

    I remember margarito hitting Cotto while on a knee and nothing not even a point off ive noticed David haye go for more shots when his opponent has hit the ground mostly he does miss but if he connected he could cause himself some shit as in DQ. Then Monte Hit David while on the deck and it was a good one David got a little rest and the fight went on then Tyson dropped Orlin Norris heavy after the bell he did his own little act of bad knee and the fight was a no contest but could have easily been a DQ win for Norris. I also remember both Naz and Kevin kelley hitting eachother while touching down i think had Dirrell not fellover and rolled under the rope he would have got some rest time and Arthur would have lost a point but being Dirrell did what he did the Ref had no option. Many fighters have fouled and been fouled and got away with it sometimes it can just come down to who the ref is and how strict he is and so on.

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    Default Re: What are the grounds for DQ?

    Fenster makes an interesting point.... I never thought of it like that.

    The one thing is did think was maybe it was the refs duty to call a stop to the action immediately. Like when a fighter is out on his feet on the ropes... The other guy is gonna keep pummeling away until the ref calls a stop to the action (David Tua-v-John Ruiz, Jerry Cooney-v-Ken Norton etc..).

    Is that (in accordance with the relevant rules & regs) any different to when a fighters slips and is in no position to defend himself? Isn't it the ref's duty to call a stop to the action?

    I'm not knowledgable on such instances, so no this is NOT a rhetorical question
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    Default Re: What are the grounds for DQ?

    How is this controversial? Fighter A slips and is obviously not on his feet. Fighter B sees Fighter A has fallen, winds up, and blasts Fighter A with a punch.

    What has gone on in other fights under similar situations is irrelevent.

    If you see a fighter is not on his feet you cannot hit him. Hey, if you knock an opponent down, why not stand over him and hammer his head with your fists if the ref hasn't stopped you? To use the excuse that the ref hadn't yet stepped in is ludicrous. Any fight when an opponent has taken a knee should get a DQ victory if the other fighter hit him while he was down. Cheating in the past doesn't vindicate cheating in the present. If I recall correctly, in the Cotto fight, Margarito was about to punch him when he took a knee. It wasn't like Cotto took a knee THEN Margarito wound up and punched. Dirrell fell, THEN Abraham pulled back and threw.

    Why is it so odd for some to think that a flush punch from a hard puncher could discombobulate an opponent who was in no way prepared to be punched?

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    Default Re: What are the grounds for DQ?

    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    I honestly don't recall the punch Margarito landed on Cotto while he was down, but in the case of Abraham against Dirrell it was just so clearly meditated upon, Dirrell was on his knee for a good second or two, you could see Abraham deliberate throwing a punch, hesitate further, and then decide to indeed clock him with the other hand. It had to be a DQ, I can't believe there is so much debate about it.

    The margarito one was just as blatant and as flush a shot as abrahams, only difference being cotto had the integrity to not go down in a heap.

    I just dont buy it for one second. Had dirrell of just of got up and carried on id now be singing his praises. Instead he vindicated what i originally thought about him
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