Pavlik v Martinez only a few weeks away who you got?

[killersheep]

Why is there no poll on this thread

[J_Undisputed]

I've become a fan of Martinez and would like to see him beat Pavlik and get a well deserved win. Size advantages for aside, i think his lifestyle outsidethe ring has put some mileage on him and wouldn't be surprised if he came back looking like half his old self.
At the same time Martinez took a few shots over his career and you have to wonder if that accumulates over time. The guys all class though and has the ability to shock people and trump the odds, even if they do screw him on the decision. I'll agree with those that say Martinez wins the fight and Pavlik wins he popularity contest. Poor Martinez has been jobbed more times than emmanuel agustus.

[The Fightfan]

I think if Pavlik believes his own hype that he is a "one punch knockouter" kind of guy he will be in trouble. But if the old Kelly shows up throwing over 100 punches a round or close to that.It will be a good night for Kelly. I think Martinez is slick and has great skill at 154 but at 160 Kelly is a different animal than Martinez has ever faced.Even if the punches are blocked they physically will move Martinez around the ring. I say TKO in 10 for Kelly. Martinez could win this if he is on his bicycle all night but I think he will have too much pride and try to trade with Kelly at some point and get hurt.

You going to the fight? It's in AC...

You say that even though Martinez fought Paul Williams at 160, a guy who is as long as Pavlik and throws as many punches as Pavlik although without the power. Yet, Williams has better movement than Pavlik and is faster. See the whole 160 thing is correct in a sense in that Martinez is probably more dominant at 154 and that's where he belongs. I favor him in fights with most guys out there at 154. But, that doesn't mean he can't move up in weight and beat guys at 160 because he did it for all intents and purposes against Williams.

I here you in a way. Paul Williams doesn't have any pop from what I seen at 160 that is why I had Pavlik easily beating him if they had met. Williams still has good range and good movement but Kelly's mechanics a simply better. A much stiffer jab,a solid right hand and if you look at Pavlik he is very well taught. Never finishes combinations off balance, never is out of position to not throw any punch he is simply well taught. Were if you look at Williams he was constantly leaning in with his left hand against Martinez and Quintana and getting clocked by the counter left. Williams is a very rythymic fighter( I like to call him) Once he is out of his rythym he can be beaten. Hence Quintana and in my mind the Martinez defeats . We also do have to remember this was both of there first fight's at middleweight. So either of them didn't get a true feel for a natural middleweight.

I still don't know if I will be going down there. I have a pregnant wife and she is a bit unpredictable at this state. She just may want to sleep the whole weekend.

[El Kabong]

I have Martinez putting on a BOXING CLINIC for a few reasons

#1 Sergio is a very active slick southpaw. Who likes fighting those guys? NOBODY

#2 Kelly Pavlik has been no where to be found and rumors abound about what the hell he has been doing recently. They range from him being seriously injured (his hand or something) which could affect his game to him having a serious drinking problem and anger issues which could also lead to his demise in the ring.

#3 Sergio Martinez fought toe to toe with someone that's as big, awkward, and active as they come in Paul Williams. Sure PW buzzed Martinez and they fought pretty evenly and we can't compare the power of PW to the power of Pavlik. But PW throws over 100 punches a round and it's hard to be slick vs that type of fighter whereas it's far easier to be slick vs Kelly Pavlik's 1-2 shots at a time.

#4 Pavlik isn't tuned up. Kelly's last fights were vs Miguel Espino and Marco Antonio Rubio, not exactly top competition.

#5 Pavlik has had trouble with the top competition he has fought. So Kelly blitzed Edison Miranda, so what. Bernard Hopkins made Swiss Cheese out of Kelly and Jermain Taylor should have gotten the nod in their rematch. Meanwhile Sergio Martinez has recently been on the shit end of the stick vs Paul Williams (whom most thought he beat) and vs Kermit Cintron (whom everyone knows he beat). Say what you will about what a b*tch Cintron is but the power he carries is comparable to Pavlik's and I think Cintron boxes a bit better than Kelly and Sergio just straight up outclassed the guy.

I just think right now Sergio Martinez is poised to beat the shit out of Kelly Pavlik, I mean just box the kids ears off all night long. But I hope this time Sergio gets the decision he has earned

[Mar]

I like both guys this will be a good one. If i had to bet the house i'd say martinez beats him, his speed and that he won't try and slug but instead hit and move will bother pavlik. Martinez when he wants to plant himself hits harder than a lot of guys think. Hell he made cintron think he hit him with his damn head.

[CFH]

I have Martinez putting on a BOXING CLINIC for a few reasons

#1 Sergio is a very active slick southpaw. Who likes fighting those guys? NOBODY

#2 Kelly Pavlik has been no where to be found and rumors abound about what the hell he has been doing recently. They range from him being seriously injured (his hand or something) which could affect his game to him having a serious drinking problem and anger issues which could also lead to his demise in the ring.

#3 Sergio Martinez fought toe to toe with someone that's as big, awkward, and active as they come in Paul Williams. Sure PW buzzed Martinez and they fought pretty evenly and we can't compare the power of PW to the power of Pavlik. But PW throws over 100 punches a round and it's hard to be slick vs that type of fighter whereas it's far easier to be slick vs Kelly Pavlik's 1-2 shots at a time.

#4 Pavlik isn't tuned up. Kelly's last fights were vs Miguel Espino and Marco Antonio Rubio, not exactly top competition.

#5 Pavlik has had trouble with the top competition he has fought. So Kelly blitzed Edison Miranda, so what. Bernard Hopkins made Swiss Cheese out of Kelly and Jermain Taylor should have gotten the nod in their rematch. Meanwhile Sergio Martinez has recently been on the shit end of the stick vs Paul Williams (whom most thought he beat) and vs Kermit Cintron (whom everyone knows he beat). Say what you will about what a b*tch Cintron is but the power he carries is comparable to Pavlik's and I think Cintron boxes a bit better than Kelly and Sergio just straight up outclassed the guy.

I just think right now Sergio Martinez is poised to beat the shit out of Kelly Pavlik, I mean just box the kids ears off all night long. But I hope this time Sergio gets the decision he has earned

I thought I was the only one who felt that way...

[Manuel "Chubby" Medina]

Martinez will do wat Hopkinz did to Pavlik...but FASTER!

[Rantcatrat]

I have Martinez putting on a BOXING CLINIC for a few reasons

#1 Sergio is a very active slick southpaw. Who likes fighting those guys? NOBODY

#2 Kelly Pavlik has been no where to be found and rumors abound about what the hell he has been doing recently. They range from him being seriously injured (his hand or something) which could affect his game to him having a serious drinking problem and anger issues which could also lead to his demise in the ring.

#3 Sergio Martinez fought toe to toe with someone that's as big, awkward, and active as they come in Paul Williams. Sure PW buzzed Martinez and they fought pretty evenly and we can't compare the power of PW to the power of Pavlik. But PW throws over 100 punches a round and it's hard to be slick vs that type of fighter whereas it's far easier to be slick vs Kelly Pavlik's 1-2 shots at a time.

#4 Pavlik isn't tuned up. Kelly's last fights were vs Miguel Espino and Marco Antonio Rubio, not exactly top competition.

#5 Pavlik has had trouble with the top competition he has fought. So Kelly blitzed Edison Miranda, so what. Bernard Hopkins made Swiss Cheese out of Kelly and Jermain Taylor should have gotten the nod in their rematch. Meanwhile Sergio Martinez has recently been on the shit end of the stick vs Paul Williams (whom most thought he beat) and vs Kermit Cintron (whom everyone knows he beat). Say what you will about what a b*tch Cintron is but the power he carries is comparable to Pavlik's and I think Cintron boxes a bit better than Kelly and Sergio just straight up outclassed the guy.

I just think right now Sergio Martinez is poised to beat the shit out of Kelly Pavlik, I mean just box the kids ears off all night long. But I hope this time Sergio gets the decision he has earned

I thought I was the only one who felt that way...

No, apparently so does Lyle.

Other than reason #5, Lyle's opinion could very well carry the day. As to reason #5, Sergio also has had trouble with top competition too - see Margarito, Williams, and Cintron. I personally believe that he has an argument for a win in each of those fights, but either way, he didn't get the W's. And this fight isn't in Argentina, it's in AC, Pavlik country.

I guess the only rebuttal is that Pavlik is much bigger than Sergio and although Bernard dominated Pavlik for 12 rounds (fight was at 170), I have yet to see a smaller fighter give Pavlik any kind of problems. Eventually, Pavlik cuts off the ring and drops bombs. Sure, Martinez fought Williams at 160, and did fine, but Williams isn't a middleweight in the same way Pavlik is. Check the size difference in the pics below:

Photos: Kelly Pavlik, Sergio Martinez Meet Face To Face - Boxing News

On the other hand, Sergio may be the slickest fighter Kelly has ever faced and in many ways, a horrible style match up. The way I look at this is that because of Pavlik's power and because Sergio is moving up to Pavlik's weight, Kelly will always be one punch away from knocking Sergio out. At this point, I'm undecided. Great fight and great clash of styles. It's one of the fights I'm most looking forward to watching.

Either way, the winner makes a big statement.

[Galaxy]

I'm going with Pavlik, I backed him against Miranda & Taylor x2, thought he'd lose to Hopkins all of which happened... here I think he defeats Martinez!

[Fenster]

I think either Pavlik overpowers Martinez or gets slaughtered on points. But then gets the robbery decision (was that said earlier? if so, well said)

[killersheep]

Martinez wide UD in reality, but loses a SD on the cards.

I think either Pavlik overpowers Martinez or gets slaughtered on points. But then gets the robbery decision (was that said earlier? if so, well said)

Thanks. 1st reply to the OP BTW

[JonnyFolds]

I'm going to the fight!!! http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor.../spongebob.gif

Been a while for me, too. I think Martinez can hang in there for 12 Rnds and show Pavlik a thing or two. A couple things throw red flags:

#1 Pavlik is usually a devastating puncher all throughout a fight. Martinez can't get caught by anything big or it could be lights out. On the other end Pavlik's arms will definitely tire if he is punching air all night like his opponent makes people do..

#2 Pavlik has not really been in a plan B situation since Jermain Taylor. I think Martinez figures him out with some shaky early rounds, and cruises (ala KillerSheep)

#3 Martinez is not flat footed like Pavlik and has a rhythm to punching which can dictate a hard to "walk through" kind of fight. Pavlik is a plodding bulldozer, but don't be fooled, he's got good boxing skills. But I think he isn't going to fare well without intimidating Martinez

#4 Pavlik is bigger. much bigger.. (but we know who's mellon weights more)

#5 Pavlik's turf. Could be another disappointing night for the Argentinian in someone else's city.

[Youngblood]

Pavlik TKO 10th!

( or Martinez by UD, if Kelly happens to show up drunk, get in a fight with a vendor and his 2 small children on the way to the ring.)

[Majesty]

I know Sergio Martinez has had some good performances, but im still not sold on him. And i think his ability is overrated, and i remember him getting spanked around by Antonio Margarito.

And i don't think he's improved that much since that fight, and if Antonio Margarito can beat him. Who is a similar pressure fighter to Kelly Pavlik. Due to the fact there big guys for the weightclass, who throw a ton of punches.

Then i don't see why Kelly Pavlik can't win, and i think he's being forgotten. Just because he moved up two weightclass, and looked stale vs Bernard Hopkins. When he didn't even belong at that weightclass.

Im not saying Kelly Pavlik is some great fighter, he isn't. But he's exciting as they come, and he has a good reach. Along with good power, and he's very good at setting things up off the jab.

And im going with Kelly Pavlik because i've been a fan of his, for quite a few years now. And even though i do like Sergio Martinez, i do think he has been overrated somewhat. Or maybe im just being too harsh on him i don't know really, but whatever im going with my boy Kelly Pavlik.

If he hadn't gotten better since the Margarito fight we wouldn't be talking about him against Pavlik and he wouldn't have taken Paul Williams to the limit and beaten Cintron.

[CFH]

I know Sergio Martinez has had some good performances, but im still not sold on him. And i think his ability is overrated, and i remember him getting spanked around by Antonio Margarito.

And i don't think he's improved that much since that fight, and if Antonio Margarito can beat him. Who is a similar pressure fighter to Kelly Pavlik. Due to the fact there big guys for the weightclass, who throw a ton of punches.

Then i don't see why Kelly Pavlik can't win, and i think he's being forgotten. Just because he moved up two weightclass, and looked stale vs Bernard Hopkins. When he didn't even belong at that weightclass.

Im not saying Kelly Pavlik is some great fighter, he isn't. But he's exciting as they come, and he has a good reach. Along with good power, and he's very good at setting things up off the jab.

And im going with Kelly Pavlik because i've been a fan of his, for quite a few years now. And even though i do like Sergio Martinez, i do think he has been overrated somewhat. Or maybe im just being too harsh on him i don't know really, but whatever im going with my boy Kelly Pavlik.

If he hadn't gotten better since the Margarito fight we wouldn't be talking about him against Pavlik and he wouldn't have taken Paul Williams to the limit and beaten Cintron.

Twice. In the same night.