Early prediction: Mayweather-Mosley

[fan johnny]

Dela Hoya with his come pressure attack showed us Mayweather is vulnerable. Shane showed us in his fight against Margarito that he still has a little left in the tank to get to Mayweather. If Mosley can't get to Mayweather by the 7th or 8th, most likely a KO won't happen and by then Mayweather should be able to control the ring if Mosley doesn't have any legs left. If Mosley get's to Mayweather with a few good shots early, I don't see Mayweather controlling the fight and certainly there is no way he can control a bigger fighter like Mosley like he did Marquez. I see Mosley winning a unanimous decision. 8/7 rounds to 4/5.

[YIDDLE]

mosley to win hopefully but in all honesty am not sure at all on this one

[Mar]

Paw paw paw..counter. Paw paw paw wide shot's counter. All night long. I know everyone wants floyd to loose so people make a case for anyone he fights, but shane has very little chance. Shane brings nothing floyd hasn't seen or beaten already. In his prime floyd would also be younger and would still beat his ass. Don't let floyd hype yall up with his 24/7 crap. Mosely is no threat to floyd, and shane most of all know it. If you can't beat vernon forrest, cotto, and have problems with mayorga and collazo, you sure as shit ain't beating the best boxer in the world. Not best fighter but he is by far the best boxer, which this sport just happens to be. I wasn't even really all that sure that he was going to beat berto really. Everyone wants too see floyd loose i get that..but shane is far from the one.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Paw paw paw..counter. Paw paw paw wide shot's counter. All night long. I know everyone wants floyd to loose so people make a case for anyone he fights, but shane has very little chance. Shane brings nothing floyd hasn't seen or beaten already. In his prime floyd would also be younger and would still beat his ass. Don't let floyd hype yall up with his 24/7 crap. Mosely is no threat to floyd, and shane most of all know it. If you can't beat vernon forrest, cotto, and have problems with mayorga and collazo, you sure as shit ain't beating the best boxer in the world. Not best fighter but he is by far the best boxer, which this sport just happens to be. I wasn't even really all that sure that he was going to beat berto really. Everyone wants too see floyd loose i get that..but shane is far from the one.

Shane won the collazo fight UD with the closest card being 118-109 not to mention he dropped him so wtf fuck are you talking about had problems?

At 147 Floyd would get beat by Vernon Forrest too. And everyone keeps talking as if Cotto clearly beat shane when it was basically either way fight and probably had more to do with Arum, and cotto being the young upstart where they decided that if shane didnt kayo him or make him look extremely bad then Cotto would get the UD. I mean by your logic then shane should have been killed by Margarito, right? Also by your logic old ass 154 pound out of shape Oscar gave floyd problems, and Shane clearly beat him in the first fight then won a UD in the second fight. So the Shane should beat floyd. Mayorga has been up to 160, is very awkward, not too mention he fought shane at 154, a weight that almost everyone will agree Shane shouldn't have never gone that high. Hot headed Judah, who doesn't have anywhere near the ring generalship that shane does won three of the first four rounds against floyd and unofficially dropped him, but Shane doesn't stand a chance?

Seems you're the one all ready hyped up and drunk off the money-mayweather testicle juice...

[Dizaster]

Paw paw paw..counter. Paw paw paw wide shot's counter. All night long. I know everyone wants floyd to loose so people make a case for anyone he fights, but shane has very little chance. Shane brings nothing floyd hasn't seen or beaten already. In his prime floyd would also be younger and would still beat his ass. Don't let floyd hype yall up with his 24/7 crap. Mosely is no threat to floyd, and shane most of all know it. If you can't beat vernon forrest, cotto, and have problems with mayorga and collazo, you sure as shit ain't beating the best boxer in the world. Not best fighter but he is by far the best boxer, which this sport just happens to be. I wasn't even really all that sure that he was going to beat berto really. Everyone wants too see floyd loose i get that..but shane is far from the one.

Shane won the collazo fight UD with the closest card being 118-109 not to mention he dropped him so wtf fuck are you talking about had problems?

At 147 Floyd would get beat by Vernon Forrest too. And everyone keeps talking as if Cotto clearly beat shane when it was basically either way fight and probably had more to do with Arum, and cotto being the young upstart where they decided that if shane didnt kayo him or make him look extremely bad then Cotto would get the UD. I mean by your logic then shane should have been killed by Margarito, right? Also by your logic old ass 154 pound out of shape Oscar gave floyd problems, and Shane clearly beat him in the first fight then won a UD in the second fight. So the Shane should beat floyd. Mayorga has been up to 160, is very awkward, not too mention he fought shane at 154, a weight that almost everyone will agree Shane shouldn't have never gone that high. Hot headed Judah, who doesn't have anywhere near the ring generalship that shane does won three of the first four rounds against floyd and unofficially dropped him, but Shane doesn't stand a chance?

Seems you're the one all ready hyped up and drunk off the money-mayweather testicle juice...

I'd like to agree, but unfortunately Mar speaks the truth..

Every Floyd fight, at least 50% of people here give his opponent a chance... Perhaps not because 50% of people genuinally think Floyd will get beat, but because 50% of people WANT him to get beat, and are convincing themselves the other guy has a chance by focusing ONLY on the plus side abilities of Floyd's opponents...
The thing they ignore is the Floyd factor... Every fight people give his opponent a chance for this or that reason.. Every fight Floyd makes them look stupid and any perceived advantage the opponent was supposed to have, just doesn't materialize into anything other than a petty attempt to win a couple of round points against Floyd...

I've said it before, I want to see Floyd get beat.. Mainly because if anyone DOES beat him, it'll be one of the most special, masterful performances of fighting/boxing skill that we have seen in 20 years... Because Floyd is that good, that to actually overcome him, it'll be one hell of a spectacle..

I have no doubt this will be another Floyd fight, in the long list of Floyd fights, where the hype of a potential opponent (Mosley in this case) win, will last right up to the fight and maybe for a few rounds in, but then completely die on it's ass as if the hype never existed...


Prediction : Floyd domination as usual... I think people distort their memories of past Floyd fights and his skill.... Go back and actually watch a bunch, then come back and post....


AND here is the funny thing about the stupid Floyd Nuthugging thread that is going on.... The post I just wrote sounds like Nuthugging.. The Post Mar wrote sounds like nuthugging... The posts that VD and JT write about FLoyd sound like Nuthugging....
The thing is they aren't.... They are just stating fact... Stating reality.... Without the distortion of hope Mayweather finally gets his ass handed to him on a plate... Hell, I want Floyd to get beat as much as anyone else....

You can't be a nuthugger by stating Floyd is hands down going to beat every opponent he steps in with, when the fact is, he is and has beat every opponent he has stepped in with..

[JonesJrMayweather]

Paw paw paw..counter. Paw paw paw wide shot's counter. All night long. I know everyone wants floyd to loose so people make a case for anyone he fights, but shane has very little chance. Shane brings nothing floyd hasn't seen or beaten already. In his prime floyd would also be younger and would still beat his ass. Don't let floyd hype yall up with his 24/7 crap. Mosely is no threat to floyd, and shane most of all know it. If you can't beat vernon forrest, cotto, and have problems with mayorga and collazo, you sure as shit ain't beating the best boxer in the world. Not best fighter but he is by far the best boxer, which this sport just happens to be. I wasn't even really all that sure that he was going to beat berto really. Everyone wants too see floyd loose i get that..but shane is far from the one.

Shane won the collazo fight UD with the closest card being 118-109 not to mention he dropped him so wtf fuck are you talking about had problems?

At 147 Floyd would get beat by Vernon Forrest too. And everyone keeps talking as if Cotto clearly beat shane when it was basically either way fight and probably had more to do with Arum, and cotto being the young upstart where they decided that if shane didnt kayo him or make him look extremely bad then Cotto would get the UD. I mean by your logic then shane should have been killed by Margarito, right? Also by your logic old ass 154 pound out of shape Oscar gave floyd problems, and Shane clearly beat him in the first fight then won a UD in the second fight. So the Shane should beat floyd. Mayorga has been up to 160, is very awkward, not too mention he fought shane at 154, a weight that almost everyone will agree Shane shouldn't have never gone that high. Hot headed Judah, who doesn't have anywhere near the ring generalship that shane does won three of the first four rounds against floyd and unofficially dropped him, but Shane doesn't stand a chance?

Seems you're the one all ready hyped up and drunk off the money-mayweather testicle juice...

I'd like to agree, but unfortunately Mar speaks the truth..

Every Floyd fight, at least 50% of people here give his opponent a chance... Perhaps not because 50% of people genuinally think Floyd will get beat, but because 50% of people WANT him to get beat, and are convincing themselves the other guy has a chance by focusing ONLY on the plus side abilities of Floyd's opponents...
The thing they ignore is the Floyd factor... Every fight people give his opponent a chance for this or that reason.. Every fight Floyd makes them look stupid and any perceived advantage the opponent was supposed to have, just doesn't materialize into anything other than a petty attempt to win a couple of round points against Floyd...

I've said it before, I want to see Floyd get beat.. Mainly because if anyone DOES beat him, it'll be one of the most special, masterful performances of fighting/boxing skill that we have seen in 20 years... Because Floyd is that good, that to actually overcome him, it'll be one hell of a spectacle..

I have no doubt this will be another Floyd fight, in the long list of Floyd fights, where the hype of a potential opponent (Mosley in this case) win, will last right up to the fight and maybe for a few rounds in, but then completely die on it's ass as if the hype never existed...


Prediction : Floyd domination as usual... I think people distort their memories of past Floyd fights and his skill.... Go back and actually watch a bunch, then come back and post....


AND here is the funny thing about the stupid Floyd Nuthugging thread that is going on.... The post I just wrote sounds like Nuthugging.. The Post Mar wrote sounds like nuthugging... The posts that VD and JT write about FLoyd sound like Nuthugging....
The thing is they aren't.... They are just stating fact... Stating reality.... Without the distortion of hope Mayweather finally gets his ass handed to him on a plate... Hell, I want Floyd to get beat as much as anyone else....

You can't be a nuthugger by stating Floyd is hands down going to beat every opponent he steps in with, when the fact is, he is and has beat every opponent he has stepped in with..

That's excellent..everything you said, BUT two question first:

Name one fighter on floyd's resume who will rank higher than shane p4p? And please don't say oscar...

So do you think floyd will retire undefeated? I truly understand what you, mar, trock all see in floyd, I see the same because it was same with RJJ, I felt the only way to beat him was to land and hope he doesn't get up, but that was only because RJJ RARELY lost a round let alone came close to losing a fight.

Floyd on the other hand hasn't been as dominant as prime RJJ was and has shown that one can get to him and put rounds in the bank. But i still feel as though it will take a Kayo to beat floyd, because no one will outbox him over 12. Just had roy survived that tarver KD he would have stayed away and boxed from the outside. Floyd too, if Shane hurts him early, it will look like the last few rounds of the Cotto fight, PBF on his bike potshotting. But I wonder if floyd has the mobility habit that he once had when he was lighter...He clearly doesn't move as much as he used to and he will need that against shane. The kronk/philly shell will be bad for him against shane.

[Taeth]

[quote=JonesJrMayweather;855287]

Floyd (now 40-0) has vanquished Carlos Manuel Baldomir, decisioned Oscar De La Hoya, waxed Ricky Hatton, and dominated Juan Manuel Marquez. Mosley has beaten Luis Collazo in a fight where Collazo suffered a fractured left thumb during the second round. He then lost to Miguel Cotto, but came back to beat clownish Ricardo Mayorga in a fight that was extremely close on the score cards until Mosley's spectacular left hook knock out at the very end which sent Mayorga to Matador Dreamland.

Sure, against Collazo, Sugar Shane (46-5) showed a display of effective jabs and great hand speed, once again using feints, quickness, and crafty head and body movement that served him so well in his wins against Oscar De La Hoya and especially Fernando Vargas. But Collazo is not Mayweather, and Vargas had taken brutal beatings at the hands of De La Hoya and Trinidad by the time he met Mosley.

Curiously, Mosley lost two to the "Viper" getting beat up in one, while Mayorga beat Forrest twice. But then Mayorga, an "old" 34, got starched convincingly by De La Hoya who Mosley "beat" twice. Of course, that was then and this is now and a lot has changed.

Shane's demolition of Antonio Margarito in January 2009 raised everyone's eyebrows. However, one theory that has not been given much traction (and one to which I partially subscribe) is that Tony may have been so discombobulated by pre-fight events, that he simply was there for the taking. Whatever the case, Mosley made the most of it and destroyed the disgraced "Tijuana Tornado." Interestingly. Mosley likely did not even get hit flush in that fight, but then, neither did Mayweather against Marquez.

The Age Factor

However, Sugar Shane is getting a bit long in the tooth and his considerable skills are in jeopardy of eroding. Age has a way of impacting speed, quickness, hand-eye coordination, movement, and putting punches together. Moreover, the fact he has fought tougher opponents than Mayweather (Vargas twice, Winky Wright twice, De La Hoya twice, Vernon Forrest twice, Jesse James Leija, John John Molina, Philip Holiday, Collazo, Mayorga, Margarito, among others), is not necessarily an advantage at this point. The reputation for never having ducked an opponent can back fire and render a boxer's body old overnight.

That said and notwithstanding the Margorito beat down, I no longer believe Mosley is at the top of his game and I'm betting the ingredients for the perfect storm that once existed have now dissipated to the point where the momentum is clearly in favor of the man with the heavyweight ego.

Fighters like "Pretty Boy," don't come around very often. He uses old school stuff, but he does it so subtly, he is seldom given proper credit for it. As I have said before, he just might be too good for his own good. His use of shoulder rolls, feints, parrying, upward jabbing, giving angles, counter punching, crossover defense, strategic lateral movement, and deflecting punches is all part of the old school mix. So is his mastery of the basics...the three levels of defense, slipping punches, and fighting off the jab. If a purist is one who appreciates the technical aspects of the Sweet Science, Floyd Mayweather Junior is a purist's delight. His fights with Phillip N'dou and Juan Manuel Marquez showcased these attributes to a tee.

However, if one definition of "Old School" is that it combines the aforementioned with a violent dimension (one that reflects a boxer's propensity to engage in a pier six street brawl), then Floyd may be somewhat lacking. Aside from his give and take with Emanuel Augustus, we have not yet seen Floyd be required to demonstrate this dimension. However, his blow-outs of the late Diego Corrales and Arturo Gatti suggest he may be capable of the same kind of mayhem Mosley showed against Margorito, but I doubt he can do that to Mosley.

My feeling at this point is that a well-rested Floyd Mayweather Junior will dominate Sugar Shane Mosley over 12 rounds and cop a unanimous decision.

Watch the Corley fight.[/quote]


Pretty hard to hide the unbiased approached...I mean shouldn't it be considering how everything you stated mosley did had a figurative asterisk by it...

"Floyd (now 40-0) has vanquished Carlos Manuel Baldomir (an overmatched plodding fighter turned sparring buddy), decisioned Oscar De La Hoya (An old oscar that hadn't won a significant fight since beating ruined Vargas in 2002), waxed (the smaller, shouldn't have been fighting above 140) Ricky Hatton, and dominated Juan Manuel Marquez (a man two weight classes smaller than him, on top of that broke the agreed upon catch weight limit and refused to be unofficially weighed the night of the fight, adding to the speculation that he possibly weighed 150+ on the night of the fight)....I mean sure floyd outpointed the old has been oscar, but oscar was only concerned about money, and was a shell of him former self by the time floyd got to him.

THE AGE FACTOR

However, Sugar Shane is getting a bit long in the tooth and his considerable skills are in jeopardy of eroding.

Let's change it to. Sugar Shane is long in the tooth and his skills have already eroded. Which is why the fight is happening now, that plus the fact Pacman didn't jump through the hoops like the PBF camp felt he should and Floyd needs money to pay back oscar for paying the IRS for him. In other words Shane would have still been avoided and chalked up to a mere 5 loss sparring partner that's on steroids as he has been if Floyd was allowed to have his way and just face pacman.



And as far as the chop chop fight being the one to watch for where floyd "engages in a street brawl" is utter nonsense because floyd himself stated that he once told Judah to go after chop because he was a feather puncher....If anything the Jesus Chavez fight is a better example....Having said all that Floyd will bicycle his way to a 116-112 victory..

Sorry how is Hatton smaller than Mayweather besides height? He weighs more, he's stronger, and he hits harder, and he started his career 10 pounds north of Floyd, just because Floyd's style and skill is more suited to moving up doesn't mean Ricky wasn't the bigger man when they fought nor did Hatton look slow. Technically he had a much finer performance against Floyd than he did against Manny.

[Taeth]

Shane won the collazo fight UD with the closest card being 118-109 not to mention he dropped him so wtf fuck are you talking about had problems?

At 147 Floyd would get beat by Vernon Forrest too. And everyone keeps talking as if Cotto clearly beat shane when it was basically either way fight and probably had more to do with Arum, and cotto being the young upstart where they decided that if shane didnt kayo him or make him look extremely bad then Cotto would get the UD. I mean by your logic then shane should have been killed by Margarito, right? Also by your logic old ass 154 pound out of shape Oscar gave floyd problems, and Shane clearly beat him in the first fight then won a UD in the second fight. So the Shane should beat floyd. Mayorga has been up to 160, is very awkward, not too mention he fought shane at 154, a weight that almost everyone will agree Shane shouldn't have never gone that high. Hot headed Judah, who doesn't have anywhere near the ring generalship that shane does won three of the first four rounds against floyd and unofficially dropped him, but Shane doesn't stand a chance?

Seems you're the one all ready hyped up and drunk off the money-mayweather testicle juice...

I'd like to agree, but unfortunately Mar speaks the truth..

Every Floyd fight, at least 50% of people here give his opponent a chance... Perhaps not because 50% of people genuinally think Floyd will get beat, but because 50% of people WANT him to get beat, and are convincing themselves the other guy has a chance by focusing ONLY on the plus side abilities of Floyd's opponents...
The thing they ignore is the Floyd factor... Every fight people give his opponent a chance for this or that reason.. Every fight Floyd makes them look stupid and any perceived advantage the opponent was supposed to have, just doesn't materialize into anything other than a petty attempt to win a couple of round points against Floyd...

I've said it before, I want to see Floyd get beat.. Mainly because if anyone DOES beat him, it'll be one of the most special, masterful performances of fighting/boxing skill that we have seen in 20 years... Because Floyd is that good, that to actually overcome him, it'll be one hell of a spectacle..

I have no doubt this will be another Floyd fight, in the long list of Floyd fights, where the hype of a potential opponent (Mosley in this case) win, will last right up to the fight and maybe for a few rounds in, but then completely die on it's ass as if the hype never existed...


Prediction : Floyd domination as usual... I think people distort their memories of past Floyd fights and his skill.... Go back and actually watch a bunch, then come back and post....


AND here is the funny thing about the stupid Floyd Nuthugging thread that is going on.... The post I just wrote sounds like Nuthugging.. The Post Mar wrote sounds like nuthugging... The posts that VD and JT write about FLoyd sound like Nuthugging....
The thing is they aren't.... They are just stating fact... Stating reality.... Without the distortion of hope Mayweather finally gets his ass handed to him on a plate... Hell, I want Floyd to get beat as much as anyone else....

You can't be a nuthugger by stating Floyd is hands down going to beat every opponent he steps in with, when the fact is, he is and has beat every opponent he has stepped in with..

That's excellent..everything you said, BUT two question first:

Name one fighter on floyd's resume who will rank higher than shane p4p? And please don't say oscar...

So do you think floyd will retire undefeated? I truly understand what you, mar, trock all see in floyd, I see the same because it was same with RJJ, I felt the only way to beat him was to land and hope he doesn't get up, but that was only because RJJ RARELY lost a round let alone came close to losing a fight.

Floyd on the other hand hasn't been as dominant as prime RJJ was and has shown that one can get to him and put rounds in the bank. But i still feel as though it will take a Kayo to beat floyd, because no one will outbox him over 12. Just had roy survived that tarver KD he would have stayed away and boxed from the outside. Floyd too, if Shane hurts him early, it will look like the last few rounds of the Cotto fight, PBF on his bike potshotting. But I wonder if floyd has the mobility habit that he once had when he was lighter...He clearly doesn't move as much as he used to and he will need that against shane. The kronk/philly shell will be bad for him against shane.

He largely fought comparatively better and larger guys than Roy Jones. Not only that but his power didn't come up the same as Roy's and he is a defensive fighter which generally don't look as dominant. In terms of punches landed and received he was more dominant than Roy Jones Jr. Manny Pacquiao has recently looked in some ways much more impressive than Floyd, but we will see a perfect example of why that means nothing when they face eachother. Same with Winky vs Mosley or Hopkins vs Pavlik. Against 95% of the opposition the guy who closes the show or has the other guy totally bottled up will look better, but that doesn't mean much against lesser competition.

Mayweather is much more dedicated to boxing than Roy, He trains harder, he is a much better technical fighter and he will be remember as a better fighter than Roy, and thats even if Roy had retired after beating Ruiz.

[JonesJrMayweather]

[quote=Taeth;856647]

Floyd (now 40-0) has vanquished Carlos Manuel Baldomir, decisioned Oscar De La Hoya, waxed Ricky Hatton, and dominated Juan Manuel Marquez. Mosley has beaten Luis Collazo in a fight where Collazo suffered a fractured left thumb during the second round. He then lost to Miguel Cotto, but came back to beat clownish Ricardo Mayorga in a fight that was extremely close on the score cards until Mosley's spectacular left hook knock out at the very end which sent Mayorga to Matador Dreamland.

Sure, against Collazo, Sugar Shane (46-5) showed a display of effective jabs and great hand speed, once again using feints, quickness, and crafty head and body movement that served him so well in his wins against Oscar De La Hoya and especially Fernando Vargas. But Collazo is not Mayweather, and Vargas had taken brutal beatings at the hands of De La Hoya and Trinidad by the time he met Mosley.

Curiously, Mosley lost two to the "Viper" getting beat up in one, while Mayorga beat Forrest twice. But then Mayorga, an "old" 34, got starched convincingly by De La Hoya who Mosley "beat" twice. Of course, that was then and this is now and a lot has changed.

Shane's demolition of Antonio Margarito in January 2009 raised everyone's eyebrows. However, one theory that has not been given much traction (and one to which I partially subscribe) is that Tony may have been so discombobulated by pre-fight events, that he simply was there for the taking. Whatever the case, Mosley made the most of it and destroyed the disgraced "Tijuana Tornado." Interestingly. Mosley likely did not even get hit flush in that fight, but then, neither did Mayweather against Marquez.

The Age Factor

However, Sugar Shane is getting a bit long in the tooth and his considerable skills are in jeopardy of eroding. Age has a way of impacting speed, quickness, hand-eye coordination, movement, and putting punches together. Moreover, the fact he has fought tougher opponents than Mayweather (Vargas twice, Winky Wright twice, De La Hoya twice, Vernon Forrest twice, Jesse James Leija, John John Molina, Philip Holiday, Collazo, Mayorga, Margarito, among others), is not necessarily an advantage at this point. The reputation for never having ducked an opponent can back fire and render a boxer's body old overnight.

That said and notwithstanding the Margorito beat down, I no longer believe Mosley is at the top of his game and I'm betting the ingredients for the perfect storm that once existed have now dissipated to the point where the momentum is clearly in favor of the man with the heavyweight ego.

Fighters like "Pretty Boy," don't come around very often. He uses old school stuff, but he does it so subtly, he is seldom given proper credit for it. As I have said before, he just might be too good for his own good. His use of shoulder rolls, feints, parrying, upward jabbing, giving angles, counter punching, crossover defense, strategic lateral movement, and deflecting punches is all part of the old school mix. So is his mastery of the basics...the three levels of defense, slipping punches, and fighting off the jab. If a purist is one who appreciates the technical aspects of the Sweet Science, Floyd Mayweather Junior is a purist's delight. His fights with Phillip N'dou and Juan Manuel Marquez showcased these attributes to a tee.

However, if one definition of "Old School" is that it combines the aforementioned with a violent dimension (one that reflects a boxer's propensity to engage in a pier six street brawl), then Floyd may be somewhat lacking. Aside from his give and take with Emanuel Augustus, we have not yet seen Floyd be required to demonstrate this dimension. However, his blow-outs of the late Diego Corrales and Arturo Gatti suggest he may be capable of the same kind of mayhem Mosley showed against Margorito, but I doubt he can do that to Mosley.

My feeling at this point is that a well-rested Floyd Mayweather Junior will dominate Sugar Shane Mosley over 12 rounds and cop a unanimous decision.

Watch the Corley fight.[/quote]


Pretty hard to hide the unbiased approached...I mean shouldn't it be considering how everything you stated mosley did had a figurative asterisk by it...

"Floyd (now 40-0) has vanquished Carlos Manuel Baldomir (an overmatched plodding fighter turned sparring buddy), decisioned Oscar De La Hoya (An old oscar that hadn't won a significant fight since beating ruined Vargas in 2002), waxed (the smaller, shouldn't have been fighting above 140) Ricky Hatton, and dominated Juan Manuel Marquez (a man two weight classes smaller than him, on top of that broke the agreed upon catch weight limit and refused to be unofficially weighed the night of the fight, adding to the speculation that he possibly weighed 150+ on the night of the fight)....I mean sure floyd outpointed the old has been oscar, but oscar was only concerned about money, and was a shell of him former self by the time floyd got to him.

THE AGE FACTOR

However, Sugar Shane is getting a bit long in the tooth and his considerable skills are in jeopardy of eroding.

Let's change it to. Sugar Shane is long in the tooth and his skills have already eroded. Which is why the fight is happening now, that plus the fact Pacman didn't jump through the hoops like the PBF camp felt he should and Floyd needs money to pay back oscar for paying the IRS for him. In other words Shane would have still been avoided and chalked up to a mere 5 loss sparring partner that's on steroids as he has been if Floyd was allowed to have his way and just face pacman.



And as far as the chop chop fight being the one to watch for where floyd "engages in a street brawl" is utter nonsense because floyd himself stated that he once told Judah to go after chop because he was a feather puncher....If anything the Jesus Chavez fight is a better example....Having said all that Floyd will bicycle his way to a 116-112 victory..

Sorry how is Hatton smaller than Mayweather besides height? He weighs more, he's stronger, and he hits harder, and he started his career 10 pounds north of Floyd, just because Floyd's style and skill is more suited to moving up doesn't mean Ricky wasn't the bigger man when they fought nor did Hatton look slow. Technically he had a much finer performance against Floyd than he did against Manny.

that's hilarious because he only lasted two rounds..really a half of round because manny had him on queer street from the first round..pretty hard to assess his technical performance in that fight...

And one's style and skill has very little to do with being able to move more effectively..Hatton's arms are shorter, he's shorter, this limits his ability to move up effectively with added weight. Floyd has a larger frame that can effectively carry more weight which makes him bigger..look how natural floyd was in the JMM fight carrying the extra weight, so much so that he first time didnt allow unofficial scales to weigh him. Hatton would be a tub of out shape goo at 154. Floyd can get there and be effective. Do you think floyd could get back down to 135-140 and be effective? I don;t think so, because if he could he wouldn't have had to pay JMM for not making a few pounds...so he's bigger because he has a larger frame..

[JonesJrMayweather]

I'd like to agree, but unfortunately Mar speaks the truth..

Every Floyd fight, at least 50% of people here give his opponent a chance... Perhaps not because 50% of people genuinally think Floyd will get beat, but because 50% of people WANT him to get beat, and are convincing themselves the other guy has a chance by focusing ONLY on the plus side abilities of Floyd's opponents...
The thing they ignore is the Floyd factor... Every fight people give his opponent a chance for this or that reason.. Every fight Floyd makes them look stupid and any perceived advantage the opponent was supposed to have, just doesn't materialize into anything other than a petty attempt to win a couple of round points against Floyd...

I've said it before, I want to see Floyd get beat.. Mainly because if anyone DOES beat him, it'll be one of the most special, masterful performances of fighting/boxing skill that we have seen in 20 years... Because Floyd is that good, that to actually overcome him, it'll be one hell of a spectacle..

I have no doubt this will be another Floyd fight, in the long list of Floyd fights, where the hype of a potential opponent (Mosley in this case) win, will last right up to the fight and maybe for a few rounds in, but then completely die on it's ass as if the hype never existed...


Prediction : Floyd domination as usual... I think people distort their memories of past Floyd fights and his skill.... Go back and actually watch a bunch, then come back and post....


AND here is the funny thing about the stupid Floyd Nuthugging thread that is going on.... The post I just wrote sounds like Nuthugging.. The Post Mar wrote sounds like nuthugging... The posts that VD and JT write about FLoyd sound like Nuthugging....
The thing is they aren't.... They are just stating fact... Stating reality.... Without the distortion of hope Mayweather finally gets his ass handed to him on a plate... Hell, I want Floyd to get beat as much as anyone else....

You can't be a nuthugger by stating Floyd is hands down going to beat every opponent he steps in with, when the fact is, he is and has beat every opponent he has stepped in with..

That's excellent..everything you said, BUT two question first:

Name one fighter on floyd's resume who will rank higher than shane p4p? And please don't say oscar...

So do you think floyd will retire undefeated? I truly understand what you, mar, trock all see in floyd, I see the same because it was same with RJJ, I felt the only way to beat him was to land and hope he doesn't get up, but that was only because RJJ RARELY lost a round let alone came close to losing a fight.

Floyd on the other hand hasn't been as dominant as prime RJJ was and has shown that one can get to him and put rounds in the bank. But i still feel as though it will take a Kayo to beat floyd, because no one will outbox him over 12. Just had roy survived that tarver KD he would have stayed away and boxed from the outside. Floyd too, if Shane hurts him early, it will look like the last few rounds of the Cotto fight, PBF on his bike potshotting. But I wonder if floyd has the mobility habit that he once had when he was lighter...He clearly doesn't move as much as he used to and he will need that against shane. The kronk/philly shell will be bad for him against shane.

He largely fought comparatively better and larger guys than Roy Jones. Not only that but his power didn't come up the same as Roy's and he is a defensive fighter which generally don't look as dominant. In terms of punches landed and received he was more dominant than Roy Jones Jr. Manny Pacquiao has recently looked in some ways much more impressive than Floyd, but we will see a perfect example of why that means nothing when they face eachother. Same with Winky vs Mosley or Hopkins vs Pavlik. Against 95% of the opposition the guy who closes the show or has the other guy totally bottled up will look better, but that doesn't mean much against lesser competition.

Mayweather is much more dedicated to boxing than Roy, He trains harder, he is a much better technical fighter and he will be remember as a better fighter than Roy, and thats even if Roy had retired after beating Ruiz.

It's funny that you like to say how hatton is bigger than floyd because floyd started smaller..Roy started at 154 and spent most of his career at 175 fight natural CW sized guys and you say floyd fought bigger guys?

Def disagree with the last part, but they're all super dedicated while still undefeated. And had Roy retired after the ruiz fight the arguments would be where to put his name in the top five. Bert Sugar actually at one time listed Roy ahead of SRR. So...Roy's wins over Toney and Hopkins are still better than any win floyd has...esp the toney performance...and before you bring up toney's weight...floyd's best performance against a ggreat fighter was Corrales who was bascially the same as toney. He couldn;t make 130 anymore and only did it to get the fight with floyd...

[Julius Rain]

Floyd takes a UD.

[IronDanLaw]

Mayweather UD.

Mosley is one of my favourite fighters of all time and I seriously hope he can pull off the win here, it would seal his legacy in the sport and it means a fighter I love to hate gets beaten.